Accident on the set of Rust.

[dascoyne]

I called my bookie and bet that AB will not go to jail and will get house arrest instead (2 years max.) and will do volunteer work.

House arrest on some 300 acre ranch with a full staff, no doubt.

Of course he will be allowed to leave for work or for award ceremonies such as the unveiling of the new foundation he will create for gun control named after the cinematographer he killed, even though her death had nothing to do with gun control and everything to do with negligence of established safety standards.

 

[JPH]

Perhaps Bill Cosby could team up with Alec Baldwin? The pair of Crusaders could raise money and awareness for victims of gun violence and rape with a standup tour.

Might there be a dangerous precedent here if we reward an anti-gun advocate a soapbox rather than punishment when he causes the death of a human being?

Full disclosure: I’m a fan of Baldwins work on 30 Rock and I cut him a lot of slack with his issues over the years. But I’m not ashamed to say I draw the line at the slaughter of innocents when it comes to my support.

Have Bernie Madoff open with his one-man version of The Producers.
It goes right up there with a Jeffrey Dahlmer cooking class.

I appreciate that even though you are a fan, you want him treated fairly.

Some people are so starstruck that they have gone from reasonable post elsewhere to absolutely losing their POOP over the idea that Baldwin might experience a real consequence. I remember when Boy George was ratted out for his drug use. His fans wanted the snitch DESTROYED --how DARE someone rat out Boy George!! Then Boy George snitched on everyone, and the same fans called him a HERO.

Full decompensation.

Since we agree that Baldwin is guilty, reading from people who claim they "don't want to let him off the hook," desperately try to finagle a means by which he *WOULD BE* let off the hook, might be funny if he didn't KILL someone.

Seriously, it makes me wonder, what does it take for the starstruck to grasp what happened? To flick that switch in their head and understand that he KILLED someone; that the effort you are putting forth to defend his inexcusable act is much better applied supporting his victims.

 

[DarthWilder]

I don't believe anyone here has violated Community Rule 2E? Discussing firearm protocols as it relates to this tragedy is not the same as discussing the the politics behind gun control, etc. Speculation about events is not prohibited, either. Nor is pointing out hypocrisy.

 

[JPH]

WTH does this have to do with the main theme of this thread?

It is a false parallel.

While a doc missing a diagnosis is bad, not checking a gun, pointing it at someone and killing them is far worse.

Was it an obvious diagnosis? Rare? If the doc was as willfully negligent as Baldwin, none of us would want to make him spokesman for malpractice.

 

[Psab keel]

I don't believe anyone here has violated Community Rule 2E? Discussing firearm protocols as it relates to this tragedy is not the same as discussing the the politics behind gun control, etc. Speculation about events is not prohibited, either. Nor is pointing out hypocrisy.

All I'm saying is that it's pushing the boundaries and it may be deemed bannable regardless of where anyone stands on the issue. Just tread carefully.

 

[JoeG]

I can see the possibility that AB may somehow not "technically" be found guilty for pulling the trigger, but instead found guilty for being a producer on the film and therefore responsible for inadequate safety protocols or lack thereof.

There have been multiple lawyers in the press that have pointed out that just being a producer and having a financial stake in the film wouldn't be enough. They would have to show that his decision making led to the unsafe environment on set. So far I haven't seen any reports of that. However there are still plenty of facts that remain unknown to the general public. People should wait until the investigation is concluded and the findings released. No one has been charged with a crime yet, but there are people declaring guilt and what the punishment should be. Might be time to bring it down a notch or two.

 

[JoeG]

I don't believe anyone here has violated Community Rule 2E?

They 100% did early on in the thread. The posts were deleted, but the 2 people who made the posts weren't banned.

 

[Bigdaddy]

This thread represents many of the reasons I'm not on social media. It serves no purpose on the RPF other than divisiveness. Once the discussion turns to speculation about judges making decisions based on their view of the 2-A (completely irrelevant to this case) we're well outside "Entertainment and Movie talk".

 

[dascoyne]

Almost everyone knows that it is dangerous to make public statements if you are a potential target for investigation. Seeking favoritism in the public eye does not help your case (see the YouTube video I posted above). Everything you say can only be used to harm your case and will never be used in your favor. Nonetheless, against all common sense (ask any attorney), Baldwin can't seem to stop posting on Twitter. I'm fairly certain it's Baldwin who is posting and not any PR team that is handling his Tweets because a PR team would know better. Yet he thinks that incriminating the AD in Twitter would somehow help him.

Well, now the armorer has spoken up and retaliated. She is publicly claiming that she didn't know there was live ammo on the set and that the producers, especially Alec Baldwin, should have done their job to keep people from bringing the ammo to begin with. She is also stating he should have examined the gun himself as well as maintaining he should have been more vigilant about safety when the new non-union crew were hired. She's not wrong.

When AB decided to throw other people under the bus he shouldn't be surprised that others will do the same to him. If everyone just stuck together in silence, the way rational people do, their attorneys can do their job and maybe everyone could come out with a better deal. It's like being stranded on a tropical island with AB and, on day 2, he's already contemplating cannibalism.

Some of these Hollywood-types really don't understand much about how the real world works, do they?

 

[AJTaliesen]

According to statement released today, this was not the first, but the THIRD gun related mishap on the set.

At some point (and I believe this is it) it's clearly an environment where no one involved gave a damn and this is the predictable result.

 

[JPH]

Almost everyone knows that it is dangerous to make public statements if you are a potential target for investigation. Seeking favoritism in the public eye does not help your case (see the YouTube video I posted above). Everything you say can only be used to harm your case and will never be used in your favor. Nonetheless, against all common sense (ask any attorney) Baldwin can't seem to stop posting on Twitter. I'm fairly certain it's Baldwin who is posting and not any PR team that is handling his Tweets because a PR team would know better. Yet he thinks that incriminating the AD in Twitter would somehow help him.

Well, now the armorer has spoken up and retaliated. She is publicly claiming that she didn't know there was live ammo on the set and that the producers, especially Alec Baldwin, should have done their job to keep people from bringing the ammo to begin with. She is also stating he should have examined the gun himself as well as maintaining he should have been more vigilant about safety when the new non-union crew were hired. If AB is going to throw other people under the bus he shouldn't be surprised that others will do the same to him.

If everyone just stuck together in silence, the way rational people do, their attorneys can do their job. Some of these Hollywood-types really don't understand much about how the real world works, do they?

Actually, if Baldwin got infront of it and took some responsibility, we'd all be saying, "dang! He manned up completely." He truly would be on the road to *redemption*

Can you imagine how TOTALLY different this thread would be if Baldwin said, " I shouldnt have taken their word for it. I should have personally checked the gun myself. I am sorry."

I would be jaw-dropped and teary-eyed hoping for a gentle outcome.

We would be united.

 

[Pumpkinhead]

Actually, if Baldwin got infront of it and took some responsibility, we'd all be saying, "dang! He manned up completely." He truly would be on the road to *redemption*

Can you imagine how TOTALLY different this thread would be if Baldwin said, " I shouldnt have taken their word for it. I should have personally checked the gun myself. I am sorry."

I would be jaw-dropped and teary-eyed hoping for a gentle outcome.

We would be united.

True, but...

 

[TazMan2000]

This thread represents many of the reasons I'm not on social media. It serves no purpose on the RPF other than divisiveness. Once the discussion turns to speculation about judges making decisions based on their view of the 2-A (completely irrelevant to this case) we're well outside "Entertainment and Movie talk".

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True. We all have to remember that membership is a privilege and not a right here. We should act respectfully as we are only guests on this site. We can disagree, but it doesn't have to result in childish name calling and insults.

TazMan2000

 

[ghostryder]

‘Rust’ Armorer Says She Had No Knowledge of Live Rounds on Set

Attorneys representing Hannah Gutierrez-Reed released a statement from the armorer saying a number of factors made the set "unsafe."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[gregory]

I know. Despite what people want to profess, some of the comments here are mostly their political views shinning through. AB is anti-gun = bad man. AB portrayed a certain person on Saturday Night Live = bad man. There is a personal vendetta against him and it is glaringly obvious. If this were someone who shared their same views, they would be bending over backward to support them. I just don’t understand why EVERYTHING needs to become a political argument these days.

I know. Despite what people want to profess, some of the comments here are mostly their political views shinning through. AB is anti-gun = bad man. AB portrayed a certain person on Saturday Night Live = bad man. There is a personal vendetta against him and it is glaringly obvious. If this were someone who shared their same views, they would be bending over backward to support them. I just don’t understand why EVERYTHING needs to become a political argument these days.

So, I’m Canadian and a neophyte when it comes to social media. I am new to the forum. I found it while researching props to decorate my home theatre. Normally I would stay away from this sort of thing but I love the western genre and I feel an obligation to share what knowledge I have about firearm safety with others. I do own guns including SAA types. I do think Alec Baldwin is funny on 30 Rock. I imagine your reference is to Trump, I don’t watch SNL anymore, on account of it not being funny. The only SNL sketch I recall Baldwin in is as the narrator of Midnight Coterie of Sinister Intruders which I highly recommend you check out. I have come to the defence of Baldwin in the past because I know the living in the limelight can be difficult.

I know the U.S. is polarized. I find this to be quite sad as I believe the U.S. to be the greatest nation on Earth today. Owing in no small part to your constitutional republic which I envy and you should never take for granted.

All this is true and has nothing to do with the shooting. The intent of my comment similar to that of Jonathan Swift’s A Modest Proposal was to have people re-examine their preconceived notions. Notions that I suspect are somewhat politically motivated.

To my knowledge Halyna Hutchins was innocent.

Halyna Hutchins is dead due to the negligence of Alec Baldwin. [At this stage I apologize but I have to be blunt as I know many of the people participating in the discussion are not familiar with firearms and the related safety protocols]The other parties that contributed to the negligence including A.D., Armorer, even Alec Baldwin the director would have endangered Halyna Hutchins but not killed her. The actions of Alec Baldwin the actor killed Halyna Hutchins. There is no evidence to suggest that this was done intentionally by Baldwin therefore this is a case of man slaughter not murder.

I do not believe this was an accident I believe it was a f$&@ up, the distinction being there is no valid excuse here for not following safety protocols. Alec Baldwin does not have bellow average intelligence therefore he was capable of checking the firearm he didn’t do that he f$&@ed up.

Innocent + Slaughter = Slaughter of the innocents.

 

[mattycsi]

Alec Baldwin shooting: Criminal charges may be filed, prosecutor says

A US prosecutor says "all options are on the table" over the shooting involving actor Alec Baldwin.

www.bbc.com

They recovered 500 rounds of ammunition!
I wanna start a GoFundMe page for the forensics guy. I feel the pain.

 

[dascoyne]

For fun I reworked Baldwin's initial Tweet. I would have been more supportive if he posted something like this:

"I'm shocked by the tragic accident that took the life of HH and have the deepest sadness that I became involved in any way at all. I am fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this could have happened. Words can't explain how heartbroken I am for the family. I am in touch with her husband, and he is aware I will always be there for his family.

I accept that I will remain a magnet for controversy and criticism in one way or another and my skin is thick because of it. But this family never asked for any of this, and all I ask of the public and press is to please respect their privacy at this time.

As we prepare to weather the inevitable storm of speculation in the days, weeks and months to come it is important that we appreciate the investigation is a necessarily slow and meticulous process. There is probably nobody more eager to get some answers as me, but I have complete faith that the Santa Fe sheriff's department can get us there in the end.

Above all let us not forget that the story here isn't about me or anybody else but about a wife, mother and beloved colleague who lost her life and about a father and son left behind to mourn the empty space that remains. Please keep them in your hearts and prayers."

 

[PumpkinKing]

‘Rust’ Armorer Says She Had No Knowledge of Live Rounds on Set

Attorneys representing Hannah Gutierrez-Reed released a statement from the armorer saying a number of factors made the set "unsafe."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

Of course not, and whoever loaded the gun had no knowledge the rounds were live, and Baldwin had no knowledge the gun was real…this is gonna be the title of every article. Just a set full of knowledgless buffoons being paid millions of dollars, sad.

 

[gobler]

Alec Baldwin shooting: Criminal charges may be filed, prosecutor says

A US prosecutor says "all options are on the table" over the shooting involving actor Alec Baldwin.

www.bbc.com

They recovered 500 rounds of ammunition!
I wanna start a GoFundMe page for the forensics guy. I feel the pain.

Just to clarify; this number includes blank, dummy rounds and live rounds. I have not heard the number of live (real cartridges) recovered.

 

[JPH]

Prepare for the circular firing squad. The stuff media and attorneys love; everyone blaming everyone else, dropping juicy tidbits of events and info that others thought would be held private. Some of it made up, some exaggerated, some bluntly true.

It is no longer about "be quiet or you'll never work in this town again," but rather "I dont wanna go to jail."

And to think that a simple one-two second weapon check would have prevented all of this and saved a life.