11th Doctor blue bowties / series 6 costume discussion

[GeneralFROSTY]

Been getting some pm about the "denim" s6 tie I plan on offering a run of.
The elderly woman who was taking on the job was out of commission for a while so I have to wait until she's able to work on her jobs again.

 

[Darth Mule]

Been getting some pm about the "denim" s6 tie I plan on offering a run of.
The elderly woman who was taking on the job was out of commission for a while so I have to wait until she's able to work on her jobs again.

Is it actual denim? Or a denim look silk? I'm curious. I'm also open to sewing some ties. Wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

 

[HaroldVonBraun]

I have got the strongest of feelings that it's denim-looking silk. Denim doesn't hang and fold nearly as softly as this does. I'm pretty sure the blue s5 bow-tie is a light weight denim though.

EDIT:

Sure looks like a sort of raw silk weave to me.

 

[Risu]

The S5 tie was not denim. It was a basket weave. Most likely made by Topman a season or two before I got mine from them.

 

[Darth Mule]

I have got the strongest of feelings that it's denim-looking silk. Denim doesn't hang and fold nearly as softly as this does. I'm pretty sure the blue s5 bow-tie is a light weight denim though.

EDIT:

Sure looks like a sort of raw silk weave to me.

I guess I should have specified. I was asking if Frosty was actually using denim, or if he had actually sourced some fabric...
I would find it highly doubtful that anyone would ever make a bow tie out of denim for mass production. Too bulky.

 

[HaroldVonBraun]

Hmm, to me it still seems like a very light-weight denim.

Especially from this picture, where you can see a sort of twill-pattern. But you might be right too.

 

[Risu]

You know what else looks like twill when the image is poorly resized? Everything. Try scaling a picture of David Tennant's space suit down to an uneven number of pixels. Instant gabardine. As has been mentioned before, a tie would never be made out of denim. It would be bulky, it would wrinkle up in a very weird way, it wouldn't stretch properly on the bias, and it wouldn't slide into the knot smoothly. Denim would be right up there with canvas as worst possible material to make a tie out of. Sorry to be so blunt about it, but sometimes it seems like you new kids never go back and actually read all the research we all did during and before the 5th series. All of this and more has been covered, you just have to dig for it.

I guess I have to throw one of these on the end. :darnkids

 

[Columbo]

I can't say what the material is but if it helps any, these are hi-res shots of the Series 5 blue tie

[from Vincent and the Doctor and Amy's Choice]


EDIT TO ADD: posted same time as Risu there, will clarify that these images are not resized at all, every pixel is a real pixel.

 

[Risu]

It's really unfortunate that there don't seem to be any clear pictures of the S5 outfit. Even the high res ones are grainy. It wasn't until he started wearing the Shetland tweed that we actually started getting clear, crisp pictures of the costume.

 

[Dave Ward]

I guess I have to throw one of these on the end. :darnkids

You beat me to it! What time is Matlock on? :lol

 

[Risu]

Here ya go, this may not be perfect, but it'll be a really great option for the S6 blue bow tie.

Navy Blue Silk Dupioni - Discount Fabrics

Amazon.com: Thai Silk Dupioni - Dark Navy: Home & Kitchen

Navy Blue Silk Dupioni - online discount fabrics outlet Diana Fabrics store

Amazon.com: 100% SILK DUPIONI FABRIC DARK NAVY BLUE (BY THE YARD): Home & Kitchen

I like the third and fourth ones best myself. I might be convinced to buy a yard and sew up a few of them if enough people want them. Probably with fabric option 3, but we can discuss it. I'm not planning a S6 costume myself, but it's a nice tie.

 

[Darth Mule]

I was going to suggest dupioni. Especially after the twill comment. It would explain the weave lines, which would run diagonally on a dupioni tie. The Dupioni weave is side to side, but ties are cut on the bias, thus making the weave appear diagonal.

Incidentally, this is also a good argument against denim as making a tie out of it would cause the diagonal weave pattern to run either horizontally or vertically.

Hopefully that all made sense to anyone else but me...

Now the next question... Is this tie appear to be a narrow, straight cut tie? Or the more popular exaggerated bow cut? I want to say narrow.

 

[Risu]

The S6 tie actually does have a horizontal weave, it would have to be cut on the grain, so not traditionally.

 

[GeneralFROSTY]

This is my fave:
Navy Blue Silk Dupioni - Fabric By The Yard

 

[Hogosha]

Risu,
I was thinking of taking a shot also. Is your design "pre-tied", or "tie your own"? What pattern are you using?

 

[Risu]

It would be a self-tie, and as far as the pattern goes, a bow tie is way too simple to actually start from a base pattern. I'll just draw one up that matches the shape of the original. I'll use one of my own bow ties as reference for slider placement and bow size, etc.

Oh, and I should also mention that I'm looking for a more accurate fabric than the dupioni. I've found one that was pretty much perfect except for the color and I'm waiting to hear back if it's available in dark blue.

 

[Hogosha]

I have a few patterns, but have to decide on the width.

 

[Darth Mule]

Look at some silk noil, raw silks, and the like. I haven't seen enough hi-res of the ties to make an truly informed judgement. If I did I could probably tell you exactly what it is. The images I've seen look like raw silk, but none of them have been terribly clear.

It would be a self-tie, and as far as the pattern goes, a bow tie is way too simple to actually start from a base pattern. I'll just draw one up that matches the shape of the original. I'll use one of my own bow ties as reference for slider placement and bow size, etc.

Oh, and I should also mention that I'm looking for a more accurate fabric than the dupioni. I've found one that was pretty much perfect except for the color and I'm waiting to hear back if it's available in dark blue.

 

[Risu]

The stuff I'm looking for is similar to raw silk, but woven from a few different colors of thread. I'll message you on facebook.

 

[Hogosha]

I was just on moderntailor.com, they have an introductory basic shirt for $19.99, you can get all the bells and whistles (tab collar, angle cuff etc.) that you would need for the "blue" shirt. One of the 3 fabric choices is a blue oxford. Not perfect, but close enough, for those on a budget. Considering that you get all of the design elements,in any size you need, I think that's pretty good! I don't know if it is true, but it says that deal ends tomorrow.