You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

<div class='quotetop'>(Birdie @ Sep 13 2006, 05:37 PM) [snapback]1319655[/snapback]</div>
Because you seem tobe trying to direct what should be said on and off board. Why send PMs all over the place when you can speak here.
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My premise is that public hashing-out of this issue may lead to negative consequences, so of course I'm PMing some of what I want to say. Since when is a PM highhanded? I've always seen it as a gesture of courtesy more than anything else. :)

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All this C&D stuff is frankly a hollow man anyway. I don't buy into a word of it. This will be a high-profile prop, just like any other Rich Coyle product.[/b]

He's had a bad experience in the past, maybe he over-reacted to the situation. I'd call that pretty understandable. But I think his concerns about how we are perceived and how much of a thorn we make of ourselves are valid.

So here I go, easing out of this conversation hopefully... :p
 
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So here I go, easing out of this conversation hopefully... :p[/b]

Me too, methinks. I enjoyed your PMs, btw, can't beat shooting the fat in a civilised manner :)

I decided to vote with my pocket anyway. Picked up the other guy's metal kit (I like a challenge)and will be doing my own mods. Bonne soire :cheers
 
Birdie, TOKI--cheers guys.

The Dude-- :lol Yeah, yeah, ok.

Oh and Arthur--I can now see that the tone of the rest of my post affected the sense of my announcement of the PM to you. It was a separate thought for me, I should have made that more clear.

Andres
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Serafino @ Sep 13 2006, 08:49 PM) [snapback]1319665[/snapback]</div>
My premise is that public hashing-out of this issue may lead to negative consequences, so of course I'm PMing some of what I want to say.
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Negative consequences FOR WHO, and on what basis?

For Richard? He's already going full steam ahead despite what he claims are the owners wishes. He either doesn't believe his own story about the owner being "rich and powerful" who doesn't want people to unfairly benefit from his item, or he's hellbent on putting a target on his own head - which we can't do anything about.

For the board? Again, on what basis? The guy who owns the gun has no legal right to the design of it, and he allowed pictures to be taken and the item to be viewed in a public forum. He has no legal right to C&D anyone and despite there being a plethora of unlicensed BR stuff for the past 20 years, the studio has done DICK about it and aren't likely to either.

Sorry..I can't see negative consequences for anyone except for people with HUGE conflicts of interest in the matter. If someone loses a sale because a competitor has the same info, or a dealer loses a lot of money because they vouched for something carelessly, then that's not an issue I believe that the rest of the RPF should suffer for. The only people suffering "negative consequences" are the rank and file members who aren't trying to make big bucks off a property they don't own or have a license to.

Sorry...I'm calling BS.
 
Sorry..I can't see negative consequences for anyone except for people with HUGE conflicts of interest in the matter. If someone loses a sale because a competitor has the same info, or a dealer loses a lot of money because they vouched for something carelessly, then that's not an issue I believe that the rest of the RPF should suffer for. The only people suffering "negative consequences" are the rank and file members who aren't trying to make big bucks off a property they don't own or have a license to.



SFPROPS, You hit the nail on the head with this one. :lol
 
Perhaps I am missing something. I feel like we're losing our focus here.

Let me try and clarify MY feelings on this damn thread.

Richard Coyle, who does not own the rights to reproduce the blade runner blaster in any form or fashion, is trying to control the "black" market for it, alledgedly on behalf of a guy who owns a screen used piece who ALSO does not own the rights to reproduce the gun, Rich asked Karl to remove the pics he took at Worldcon, and Karl did. Controversy ensued, controversy I have added to and tried to shed light on.

I certainly support Karl's choice, I understand Karl's choice. I like the man quite a bit and have gotten to know him some because of his choice actually, and probably would not have otherwise.

That doesn't mean I cannot respectfully discuss and question Richard Coyle, his actions here, his models here, and his motives here on this board. I can. Watch me, here I go . . .

:D

We're worried about C&D, lawsuits, and what, the wrath of some guy who made a phone call? Yes?

If Warner Brothers goes after Richard Coyle for some reason, that'd be the consequences of Richard's actions to infringe thier copyright and has nothing to do with the photos from Worldcon, or the fellow who currently owns the screen used piece, or OUR discussion of it. They are very seperate.

Rich is trying to protect himself, which is fine, I understand that too, but how long can we accept his double standard here?

I have every single right under the sun to dicsuss that, post about, and even be a jerk about it if I choose to be. I am not known for my subtley, I don't see a reason for it here. I think if WB was gonna go after Richard, they would have by now. He advertises on EBAY every week.

Richard posting that there may be some dire consequences to all of US talking about it on this board is just one more threatening way to try and control us, and I just can't sit back and be cool with that. WE are not breaking any law, or otherwise doing anything untruthful in discussing it and posting our thoughts. Period.

Now, what I'm not getting is this.

The "owner" of the blaster is mad. Unless the owner represents, or IS warner brothers, why does it have an impact on this discussion? We know this fellow is mad because the "mystique" has somehow worn off on owning the gun, we know this fellow hates US, and hates EBAY, and he's mad, mad, mad, that pictures of his prop were taken at the incredibly public event he put it on display at, and from what I can tell, placed no stipulations about photos.

Unless Warner Brothers still possess the gun, and Warner Brothers are the ones who put it on display in public, then why is ANYONE scared? For any reason? Even then, the pictures are still legal, the pictures are still OK.

I know this is a circular argument, and I know.

On a personal note, previous to this thread I held Richard in very high regard. Now. . . not so much. I don't care if he's been making props since I was 5. That doesn't buy him tea in china.
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Noeland @ Sep 13 2006, 09:37 PM) [snapback]1319690[/snapback]</div>
The "owner" of the blaster is mad. Unless the owner represents, or IS warner brothers, why does it have an impact on this discussion? We know this fellow is mad because the "mystique" has somehow worn off on owning the gun, we know this fellow hates US, and hates EBAY, and he's mad, mad, mad, that pictures of his prop were taken at the incredibly public event he put it on display at, and from what I can tell, placed no stipulations about photos.[/b]

:lol

Yes...my point exactly. Something doesn't add up. But because we are told by people with huge conflicts of interest, we should be very concerned and respectful, we should :lol
 
I am sick and tired you all of you seeing conspiracy and monsters under the bed.

I have told you what happen but you seem to not want to hear.

I am done telling.

Any questions reread what I have said. It will not change, it IS what happen.

Nite.

Rich
 
<div class='quotetop'>(racprops @ Sep 13 2006, 10:37 PM) [snapback]1319732[/snapback]</div>
I have told you what happen you do not want to hear.
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We hear...we just can't decide which version is the right one.

-The one where you really wanted the photos to be free to be posted, but the guy you talked to got mad.

-The one where you really didn't want the photos online because it would help your competition but Karl insisted, and then the guy you talked didn't want what his gun out for the general public to see despite putting it on display for thousands of people to look at and photograph.

-The one where the guy who owns the gun is very rich and powerful so we should respect his wishes not to let people unfairly benefit from his gun...well..except you've decided he isn't rich and powerful enough to dissuade you from doing it yourself.

We're hearing...and what we are hearing is an ever-changing version of events seemingly fueled by a huge conflict of interest. No offense, but I think that's what the average RPFer will get out of this if they are "listening".
 
Oh the boogie man theory has come out again, the men in black, the BR mafia and all of those other frightening little late night bed time stories.

Lets recap here:

1. Pictures posted (thanks Karl....) :)
2. Great conversation :D
3. Rich tells people that the BR Gods are ANGRY about the pictures :confused
4. Gods are more angry about the advertisement of a BIG run by a replicator :angry
5. Pictures go down :cry
6. Rich tells everyone "Later dudes" (classic) and cancels run :confused . Why? because of #4; Rich respects the owner and the BR gods and pulls his run. :lol
7. 24 hours pass.
8. Rich sends out an email, the run is still on :love , but it is on the DL :ninja
9. Rich continues to assert that he has nothing to do with anything :confused
10. Here we are, and things are as clear as mud. :confused :cool

Have I missed something???? Are we still talking about conspiracy theories or the motives of man?

-Bryan
 
<div class='quotetop'>(Noeland @ Sep 14 2006, 01:37 AM) [snapback]1319690[/snapback]</div>
The "owner" of the blaster is mad. Unless the owner represents, or IS warner brothers, why does it have an impact on this discussion?
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(Can't believe I'm back to this... :unsure )

Anyway -- isn't THIS the biggest unsolved mystery of this entire clusterf*ck?

NO ONE KNOWS (except Rich and Phil) who this "mystery man" (or men) is (or are).

Although, Phil DID identify one of the two people who OWN THE RIGHTS to "all things BR".

If y'all followed my links on this guy and were paying attention, you'd agree that (though he may or may NOT be the one referrenced by Rich) that he IS one of the richest and most powerful men in LA.

So here I go feeding the conspiracy theory fire... But IF the owner of the gun IS the man ID'd by Phil, THEN if I were Rich, I'd be worried too...

But in the end, we just don't know...
 
That's not the guy. The guy who owns the gun isn't one of the partners in the Blade Runner Partnership, nor is it Ridley Scott or anyone who did the design work on the gun itself.
 
Well uh...I just NEED to say that I knew of Richard Coyle and his good reputation long before I knew about the RPF...Long before there was an internet...
And if I might be so bold...if ANYONE is going to get this sucker right, it'll be HIM.

His History is secure and the Future is bright.

Welcome to the board by the way :)


<div class='quotetop'>(rmtndndo @ Sep 13 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]1319398[/snapback]</div>
One more thing I feel that thats a pretty bold statement to say "As for my model making, I know I can not control, stop of do any thing but OUT DO others. Interesting to see what the future brings.
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One other thing I want to add that after reading the last few pages...I think I should remind people what we as a group agreed on a couple years ago. That about "secret runs" and so forth...that the mechanism for that was PM's an emails..private communication.

If an email was sent out declaring a certain run of beachballs...but it was posted publicly that a beachball run was cancelled (officially)...we must deduce what the real meaning is here...

It's been said many times here...what some of us do and sell and collect, is considered illegal by some companies. So to protect ourselves as a group we rely on subtlety and inuendo.

This has been the logical approach here since I was a member...

It might not be THE truth...but it's "A" truth.

I guess I'm trying to say...
Hey fellow members...lets be a little cautious?
 
I totally understand about keeping things on the down low but I think he shouldn't have asked for the pics to come down. I don't for one minute believe that the owner of the gun wanted the pics pulled. Why would he show it at a con and let people take detailed pics from every angle, if that were the case.

If the owner really did want the pics down, I would like to know what kind of cut he is getting.

Pat
 
That's kinda my belief too...but that said...
Karl (who didn't have to) was compelled to take them down...for whatever reason...we should simply honor him by letting it go, in my opinion.

From what I've read...and I've read through the whole thing as it's progressed...Karl didn't feel put out by Richard...it was a mutual thing he decided to do.

I'm sure that whatever the reason, it seemed logical to Karl.
 
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