You have never seen the Blade Runner blaster before - PHOTOS RESTORED

[Serafino]

Re:

6.: The bulldog doesn't look like a stainless model to me--does it to anyone else?.

4.: FWIW Phil did correct himself somewhat on the black butt plate bottom issue. He later (in the thread?) announced that he had been told the plate was dark on the bottom for part of the production, but silver at other times.

Whether or not there were 3 'heroes', there are a lot of shots of the gun being handled by H. Ford which show the same markings as on the Worldcon prop. I can't think of a shot which shows anything to differentiate from the convention prop aside from the wires, which show such signs of being an add-on that their absence is not much evidence for a 'different' hero.

 

[spinner 44]

<div class='quotetop'>(Serafino @ Sep 15 2006, 07:16 AM) [snapback]1320633[/snapback]</div>

Whether or not there were 3 'heroes', there are a lot of shots of the gun being handled by H. Ford which show the same markings as on the Worldcon prop. I can't think of a shot which shows anything to differentiate from the convention prop aside from the wires, which show such signs of being an add-on that their absence is not much evidence for a 'different' hero.
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Serafino,
You're right. The hero shown at Worldcon has some tellings as the buttplate marks and the removed paint in the base of the handgrip frame, and the screw set on the left of the ammo clip that can be seen in when:

-Bradbury scene. Deckard chases Batty. Close up of the gun.
-Bradbury scene. Batty takes the gun from Deckards hand and gives it back (paint marks pretty evident)
-Bradbury scene. Deckard runs away from Batty (I do have continuity pics that show the gun and the pant marks)
-Bradbury scene. Decard drops the gun to the floor. The gun again shows the same paint marks in the gripframe and buttplate. Could someone with the new DVD really confirm the wires are not there?. Maybe they were painted black, that's all.
-Bradbury publicity photo shoot. I have a series of stills from a photo shoot made in the real Bradubry building for publicity purposes (Harrison standing) were the buttplate has the same marks as the one seen at Worldcon.
-Deckard's apartment. I have continuity photos and stills that show the gun to have the same marks as the Worldcon hero.


I'm not saying there wasn't 3 heros made, don't get me wrong. All I say is either they made the 3 ones with the same exact paint marks, or either the one seen at Worldcon was the one used through most of the shooting.

 

[SFPROPS]

<div class='quotetop'>(spinner 44 @ Sep 15 2006, 04:18 AM) [snapback]1320643[/snapback]</div>

I'm not saying there wasn't 3 heros made, don't get me wrong. All I say is either they made the 3 ones with the same exact paint marks, or either the one seen at Worldcon was the one used through most of the shooting.
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Deckard usually only shoots a shot at a time. That one gun load would be good for several shots, and I can't imagine them having to redo those shots at the same angles/camera positions (not requiring new set-ups and extra time) more than a couple of times. It's quite likely that they re-loaded a single gun between takes/set-ups given that. It's not like when you have a big gun fight with lots of rounds being expended.

 

[racprops]

The wires are slightly visable in the droped scene, at lease the very lower slightly longer versions, which seem to be uncut and going into the ammo housing.

They are longer in that shot and I think, still hooked up, I think they were cut later, perhaps to reload the gun, and left that way.


I think they might have been painted black at this poing and left white where they were against the brighter Bulldog.

But why would they be all white later?? I am aware of the union rules about painting on the set (no painting by anyone not in the Painter's Union, ..)...perhaps there was just a piece of black tape put over the wires and it later fell off?

I aggree the Bulldog was not sliver, nor nickel plated, but it was a brighter looking steel than the Styer.

And the trigger guard and butt plate are even brighter...

I think there was at lease two guns, (standard studio policy) this was the main hero and the other gun was the back up, and if there was a third it was the backup to the back up. ( I have heard a Director yelling at a prop master on how his malfuctioning prop is holding up a shoot and costings $70,000.00 per minute....)

And I think the scraches on the butt plate would be nearly impossable to copy, so as these seem to be special to this model as is the paint (or blueing..)removd above the butt plate when they were removing paint on the sides of the butt plate, are the tells that show it is the only gun used within the film, other that the rubber stunts that is.

Rich

 

[Birdie]

If the green LEDs didn't function, why were the wires there at all?

 

[racprops]

I think they were hooked up and working, at lease at some point.

They may have overloaded the battery and this is why the leds are uneven on the wall scene....

Or once shot in one take, then turned off as they may have been too bright on film, I used to have to add controls to control red led's brightness as they "read" brighter on film that we can see with the human eye.

But at some point they were able to light up as they were hooked up to the wires.

And drilling out that rod was some work....

Rich

 

[Birdie]

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And drilling out that rod was some work....[/b]

I guess this is a stupid question...when did LEDs come into popular use? I would have guessed that colours other than red came later?

 

[PHArchivist]

<div class='quotetop'>(philippes @ Aug 29 2006, 05:09 PM) [snapback]1309178[/snapback]</div>

Here's another revelation: at least three heroes exist. You're already familiar with the gun documented in this thread, but I was just contacted by another collector who has the second hero. And although the third is unconfirmed, I'm nearly certain it exists, as the property master established it was sent to this person.

Phil
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<div class='quotetop'>(eltee @ Sep 14 2006, 11:29 PM) [snapback]1320370[/snapback]</div>

"Apr 12 2003, 06:12 AM Post #1

7. One more thing--

Only one hero gun was ever produced. This has been confirmed by the property master. Additionally, about 12 or 13 stunt copies were made for the movie, with another few copies given to "friends of the production".

Phil "
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So... At an earlier point in history it was (rather unequivocably) stated that -- per the prop master -- there was only one hero. Now there are three...

I understand knowledge changes, morphs and grows, but this disparity fits in with overall theme of this thread -- what's the real story......?



Here is (for me at least) the core source of the angst present in this thread. It seems clearly apparent that there is MUCH information known about this prop that a select few are strongly, conscioulsy, and perhaps even maliciously (at least, doing so for their own sole benefit), withholding.

Screw the details as to what bit of information we're talking about, be it who asked who, why they asked, who owns what, who is who, how many guns, or what the details of the guns were. This thread has spiraled and diverged into many sub-topics, conspiracy theory-based tangents, and alternate paths based on all these various questions.

But the bottom line (or over-riding theme) is that it seems a select few know it all and are purposefully holding back.

And this is bugging the @#$%. out of this commuity...



I know this "select few" may be under constrictions they do not have control over, and doesn't owe this community anything (an un-substantiated sense of self-entitlement seen in others is a personal peeve of mine)...

But is still bugging the @#$%. out of this commuity.

 

[Noeland]

I just wanted to throw this in, because I got a silly giggle out of this today.

The "drywall dust" is STILL caked into the grip checkering. How effin' cool is that???? :eek

I'm geeking out. :love

 

[franz bolo]

It might be mentioned, but I'm not taking the time to look.

Who was the propmaster responsible for designing and making this gun.

FB

Found it:
Terry Lewis - Property Master

Nevermind.

FB

 

[racprops]

He was only the propmaster the story goes that Riddly and someone else found the Styer Receiver in a gun store.

And someone else did the real work.

Rich

 

[MattMunson]

I should throw in that USUALLY in a movie, they do indeed make more than one of the hero props. Pretty standard proceedure, I would think.

I'm not sold on the argument that the REASON they made more than one (if that is indeed the case) was to facilitate quick reloading. I don't buy that. There are a million better reasons to make more than one hero.

However, for something as peculiar and quirky as the BR gun, maybe they did only make one. Honestly though, that would be odd. I would say VERY odd.

With that said, I believe it is ENTIRELY plausible that there were three, top quality heroes MADE for production, but only one of them ended up seeing screen time. That seems TOTALLY within the realms of possiblity. So while we may only be able to identify on screen the WonderGun (my term, by the way. I want a nickel for anyone who uses it), there could just as easily been two fully functional heroes sitting in the propmasters case just off screen.

In my mind, it makes sense that there was more than one hero. That's how it's often done.

 

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<div class='quotetop'>(MattMunson @ Sep 15 2006, 08:09 PM) [snapback]1320898[/snapback]</div>

So while we may only be able to identify on screen the WonderGun (my term, by the way. I want a nickel for anyone who uses it), there could just as easily been two fully functional heroes sitting in the propmasters case just off screen.
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Sorry Wondergun is already taken.

You now owe Stephen Barnwell a nickel and he requests you take down the term WonderGun from your post and relinquish your rights to use it or his wealthy and powerful friends will do bad things to you.

This is the real WonderGun from the talented artist himself.

http://www.stephenbarnwell.com/images/artwork/WonderGun.jpg

Much cooler than the BR blaster

 

[Noeland]

HERO GUN? More than one?

How about this?

I haven't been holding out for 34 pages, I promise. I just found this one while searching my archived photos for decent pictures of the firing gun. Here it is in all it's glory.

WTF? That's a CHARTER ARMS BULLDOG with it's original trigger config (one trigger) and also the original trigger guard, but with a really long barrel.

Plus I think I see a friggin hammer.

Then I found this image:

And it struck me that the gun looks kinds of off in some way.

So I had a thought, and believe me this is an abstract one too, and probably wrong, BUT:

What if they had a couple of charter arms with bull barrels that they created a metal and resin cast "sleeve" for that fits over the gun for the firing scenes. It's only a thought, but a thought provoked by this image of Rachel, that I forgot I had..

Thoughts? :confused

 

[Birdie]

Are the Rachel pics screencaps or publicity stills??? :eek

 

[Noeland]

Stills. That's not a screen cap of Rachel, that's from an ebay auction many moons ago for numerous publicity stills.

Njc-----------------

 

[Birdie]

Wierd. Why not just give her a stunt to hold in the still? Makes you wonder....

 

[SethB6025]

I too was thinking the gun looks weird in the same scene pictured above.

 

[phase pistol]

Probably the Bulldog is just for rehearsals, since they wouldn't want the hero prop to be damaged.

Ridley Scott is, I have read, a stickler for rehearsing things over and over until he's satisfied that the shot will be perfect. So it would seem logical that "any old" gun could have been used for that.

Also consider other scenes where the gun is dropped, thrown, batted out of Deckard's hand, and so forth... if I were the prop master I would not use my "one of a kind" LED festooned Frankenstein gun for that. :lol

- k

 

[Birdie]

<div class='quotetop'>(phase pistol @ Sep 15 2006, 09:10 PM) [snapback]1320993[/snapback]</div>

Probably the Bulldog is just for rehearsals, since they wouldn't want the hero prop to be damaged.

Ridley Scott is, I have read, a stickler for rehearsing things over and over until he's satisfied that the shot will be perfect. So it would seem logical that "any old" gun could have been used for that.

Also consider other scenes where the gun is dropped, thrown, batted out of Deckard's hand, and so forth... if I were the prop master I would not use my "one of a kind" LED festooned Frankenstein gun for that. :lol

- k
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Given Ward's 'relationship' with Ford on the set, and her known 'wackiness' , they would have been ill-advised to put *any* gun in her hand.