Qui-Gonzalez
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Would you pre-order from eFx?
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I'll make one final comment on this thread.
Efx has been in business for years. They've never taken anyones money and failed to deliver product. They're regular fixtures at some of the most established events in the country and Brian has certainly earned his stripes within the prop community. This thread is a transparent attempt to sully his reputation. If you've got a concern with Efx pre-orders, don't order. It's that simple.
If you require a laundry list of assurances and need your hand held in a certain way so you can feel more comfortable ordering; dare I say, if you haven't been comforted thus far, it just isn't gonna happen for you.
That's what this is really about. A group of people who want to order (or have) but they demand a certain level of comfort that simply can't be provided. In this case, someone has taken to the boards to demand it and is attempting to lead a charge for something "he" needs and feels entitled to.
So, let's break this down because the record is skipping.
1) This threads author clearly has a beef with Efx. Okay, got it. He's voiced it. Where else can this thread go?
2) He's been booted from another forum for the same behavior and then went back in under another identity to do it again! Yep, understood. Again. Got it.
3) Same guy rolls onto the RPF to start all over. Alright, if this isn't an agenda, what is? Read his posts from Rebel Scum before answering.
This guy has been here all of 5 minutes and has already suggested moving the furniture around by way of a special thread for Efx (and others) to provide updates, etc.
We've all seen this before. You can never appease this sort of person. When they don't hear exactly what they want they hold on even tighter taking every possible avenue to become even closer to the subject. This is done so in an aggressive, negative fashion (under the guise of, I care) to hurt the object of their frustration.
This sort of post does nothing but divide camps. It serves no constructive purpose. You're never going to get an official statement from 'any' company on the heels of a thread like this.
It saddens me to see how easily many of you have fallen for such a ploy. 5 years ago and this thread would've been nuked in 5 minutes by a large collective voice of like minded collectors and propmakers.
I'll leave you guys to it. :thumbsup
Efx has been in business for years. They've never taken anyones money and failed to deliver product. They're regular fixtures at some of the most established events in the country and Brian has certainly earned his stripes within the prop community. This thread is a transparent attempt to sully his reputation. If you've got a concern with Efx pre-orders, don't order. It's that simple.
If you require a laundry list of assurances and need your hand held in a certain way so you can feel more comfortable ordering; dare I say, if you haven't been comforted thus far, it just isn't gonna happen for you.
That's what this is really about. A group of people who want to order (or have) but they demand a certain level of comfort that simply can't be provided. In this case, someone has taken to the boards to demand it and is attempting to lead a charge for something "he" needs and feels entitled to.
So, let's break this down because the record is skipping.
1) This threads author clearly has a beef with Efx. Okay, got it. He's voiced it. Where else can this thread go?
2) He's been booted from another forum for the same behavior and then went back in under another identity to do it again! Yep, understood. Again. Got it.
3) Same guy rolls onto the RPF to start all over. Alright, if this isn't an agenda, what is? Read his posts from Rebel Scum before answering.
This guy has been here all of 5 minutes and has already suggested moving the furniture around by way of a special thread for Efx (and others) to provide updates, etc.
We've all seen this before. You can never appease this sort of person. When they don't hear exactly what they want they hold on even tighter taking every possible avenue to become even closer to the subject. This is done so in an aggressive, negative fashion (under the guise of, I care) to hurt the object of their frustration.
This sort of post does nothing but divide camps. It serves no constructive purpose. You're never going to get an official statement from 'any' company on the heels of a thread like this.
It saddens me to see how easily many of you have fallen for such a ploy. 5 years ago and this thread would've been nuked in 5 minutes by a large collective voice of like minded collectors and propmakers.
I'll leave you guys to it. :thumbsup
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Even worse, for all the time you guys spent arguing over this non-issue, you could have been out actually building something.
Oh, and I love you rylo!!!!!!
Oh, and I love you rylo!!!!!!
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Just curious, how do we help eFX communicate better? Some things are just outside of our control.
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I love you Rylo...in a non-gay way. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
For the record, I was only typing in between coats of paint! :cool
Love you too, boo!
Love you too, boo!
Rebelscum
Sr Member
You're not understanding the problem.
eFX doesn't need help understanding this.
You can't help them understand it better.
The problem is that threads like this don't help, they only hurt.
Let's put it this way.
Without knowing if you're a guy or a gal: Does your significant other want to hang out with friends of yours she / he likes, or friends of yours who rag on her / him constantly for something she / he probably is aware of (maybe her / his choice in you)?
How is ragging on anybody for anything like this ever going to be good for them?
Qui-Gonzalez
Master Member
I'm tryin', Clutch...I'm tryin'.
Kerr Avon
Master Member
Ah, I see the root issue of disagreement here.
You're treating eFX like Brian and the company is your friend.
I'm treating eFX like I'm it's (potential) customer.
Two entirely different approaches. I don't know Brian, or anyone at eFX, and I'm sure they are great people based on the comments of some people here whom I do have respect for. You and others defending them may be more familiar with the people there, and naturally would want to defend them. I and others, on the other hand, are just customers, with little emotional ties to the company and are concerned about product, delivery time, and customer service more than friendship. To me, this is purely business, not emotional, and as a customer I don't see some concerns being met.
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zanderwitaz
Well-Known Member
Okay, so, final thoughts.
EFX needs to work on their communication.
Once they finally put out a product it's the best out there, bar none.
What else needs to be said? Both sides have expressed their concerns. Now it's up to the consumer how they want to spend their money.
That pretty much it? Can we close the thread down now?
EFX needs to work on their communication.
Once they finally put out a product it's the best out there, bar none.
What else needs to be said? Both sides have expressed their concerns. Now it's up to the consumer how they want to spend their money.
That pretty much it? Can we close the thread down now?
OldKen
Master Member
He's simply telling you. They are aware of the problem, and the threads, and working on it. No need to repeat ad nauseum.
People like Rylo are telling you that the company has a great track record.
Clutch is right...
I'm just gonna sit back and watch. :behave
People like Rylo are telling you that the company has a great track record.
Clutch is right...
I'm just gonna sit back and watch. :behave
autoprops713
Sr Member
Excellent point. I'm seeing this more and more often around here. To me anyway, money is 100% business. If its more "personal" to others here then delays, lack of communication, etc is all fair game and possibly even acceptable. Its difficult to judge what is black or white. However that being said if someone has an opinion about a company I would like to know if it is a business opinion (money related, delivery of goods) or a personal opinion (owner's a great guy, I like their stuff).
OldKen
Master Member
Yes it would.
I would have had more help!
I love how I have been turned into a villian by some as I "relentlessly attacked" this poor innocent! :lol
You mentioned that these threads serve no purpose, and I disagree.
These threads showcase just where some members stand and that is a good thing
I would have had more help!
I love how I have been turned into a villian by some as I "relentlessly attacked" this poor innocent! :lol
You mentioned that these threads serve no purpose, and I disagree.
These threads showcase just where some members stand and that is a good thing
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Rebelscum
Sr Member
No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm drawing a parallel between what is good and bad for people / companies. I'm not taking up for Bryan or eFX because they are friends. I do wish them to enjoy their business enough to wish to continue it. I do not wish to beat them about the head because of poor communication.
You keep missing the point and I keep it very simple so you shouldn't.
"How is ragging on anybody for anything like this ever going to be good for them?"
It is not. You drive them away from caring by doing it.
You guys keep at it and they will stop making products eventually because everybody gets tired of swimming upstream eventually.
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