Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[RBJ]

Rather than back and forth about the TM , we could determine if the scar is dimensional..
or a paint mark, and go from there

I have a mask I can dry brush a gunmetal C-Scar on and photograph from different angle if that would help..

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

I wish I could get behind you on this, but it IS an assumption on your part. We have the story JRX told vadermania and no photographic proof. That's it. To assume a motive without knowing for sure is a mistake. We have A and C, but no B to back up claims.

Looking at the two pics, there ARE some scratches that line up with the raw and finished TMs on the cheek. The edges of the finished cheek look a bit softer, but that could be from anything.

The TM does not aid the cause in the c-scar discussion. Can we let it go now?

RBJ, that sounds like a great idea!

 

[GINO]

this is the last time I mention it: The C-scar was there. It WAS NOT SCULPTED BY JESPER

I'm glad we agree it should be the last time you mention it.
Why not post pics instead of just telling us.

 

[GINO]

The TM does not aid the cause in the c-scar discussion. Can we let it go now?

No we can't let it go, because it is the number one reason why they believe there is a dimensional c-scar.
Proving the TM doesn't have one pretty much removes any belief for there being one other than them just wanting one to be there.

 

[Trap Joe]

Okay then. Provide your proof. Words will not suffice.

okay.

Can´t help any more.

 

[GINO]

SL - no dimensional scar
TD - no dimensional scar
TM - no dimensional scar

Why does anyone think there is a dimensional scar at this point?

Oh, because they maintain that it is on the TM.
It has been shown very clearly that is is not.

 

[Darth Niob]

Posting screen caps regardless of their quality are not going to do anything to aid in this debate other than clutter up the thread more.

I think JRX posting a photographic log would be EXTREMELY helpful.
I also would think that the motivating factor would be to disprove what overwhelmingly is being agreed by everyone with the exception of the small group of TM owners.

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Overwhelmingly?? Beside you i dont see that many more posting here. Delete all the trolling and bashing comments from some newbies there arent many more:rolleyes

 

[Trap Joe]

I'm glad we agree it should be the last time you mention it.
Why not post pics instead of just telling us.

Learn to read, Gino.
I´m superbusy and have no time to write all the same many times:
I answered it two times, already.
I will leave to London to make decorations for a 4-D Cinema in the L Dugeon. Sorry I can´t read this strange "discussion" till I return in a few days

I´m happy that I at least can trust what my eyes have seen. And this-they really can....


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[FrogmanStudio]

Gino, I'm curious since I've had a hard time sorting through all the posts, but can't seem to see if you've posted it before, so I apologize.

If you believe the c-scar is not dimensional, what do YOU think it is?
To me, it either just looks like a scratch, or maybe a hair from a rag they used to clean it off and no one noticed.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

But at some point, you are beating a dead horse. We've seen the evidence in support of the raw TM not having the scar. We've heard the back-pedaling by Jorg in regards to the pictures. We have no proof of the middle ground in finishing the TM. We have A and C. So, with the evidence we have in front of our faces, people can, and have done so, draw their own conclusions.

Up until this eFX thing, people have had to take on faith many things said by owners of pieces. Gino, you have been among them. "Just take my word for it". Now, we have one side offering up proof and the voices who continually slammed the other side are mum in regards to actual proof.

 

[StarWars Collector]

Just because it doesn't show in the picture doesn't automatically mean it isn't there. Only a painted detail will show up in almost any picture and under almost any angle.


BTW: Did Bryan inspect the original RB mould?

I'm asking because I'm a bit puzzled by what he's saying here:

As for our helmet, we stated that it was cast from the Rick Baker molds. We did not say "from the Rick Baker mold WITH OR WITHOUT the scratch!" Scratch or no scratch, never there, used to be there, cleaned off, whatever, the fact is still that we cast our helmet from Rick Baker's molds he made back in the 70's AS IS!

I am not saying that I know if it was actually dimensional or painted.

 

[vaderdarth]

gino why so afraid of screen caps? I mean this is the core issue with this whole debate on the C-scar, is it on the original or not? Yes it is. Only screen caps are required to prove it. You need a physics class.

SWC, Bryan's opinion does not necessarily match word for word with gino's. He understands opinion versus absolute fact. He is a wise wise man. He's also very consistent with his approach to these topics. This is the biggest reason the whole prop board holds Bryan in such high regards. He is consistent whether it's a muppet, a helmet, or a submarine. If he says they used the Rick Baker mould in it's current day condition, that's precisely what he means. He isn't implying anything outside of that statement. He's brilliant and that's why eFX is the rampant success that it is. 4 minute sell out............hell yeah!!!!!

 

[defstartrooper]

First the argument was that these areas were photoshopped.
Now it's moved on to that they are magically filled with black resin.
Come on.

I'll grant you this GINO you certainly have a way of taking a fact and skewing it to suit your needs.
The fact that details on the TM were filled with added material isn't something new that people have just come up with, that has been what was said right from the beginning as well you know but you make it sound like someone has just now made this up like they're clutching at straws.

Posting screen caps regardless of their quality are not going to do anything to aid in this debate other than clutter up the thread more.

So why would you want pics of the TM original then ?
They would only be photographic evidence just as screen stills are photographic evidence, what's the difference ?

Okay then. Provide your proof. Words will not suffice.

That's not how it works, the one making accusations has the burden of proof.

So far GINO's proof is one photo he has of the helmet before it was fully stripped and restored and him saying there's no filler, him saying there's no filler doesn't make it so, and by his own admission above photographic evidence is pointless.
He's never seen the TM in person, never seen the original in person, never seen the UK mould in person.
But you would take his word as gospel above the people who have seen the original TM in person ?

That's basically what this all boils down to one person who hasn't ever seen the mask saying there's no scar.

 

[vaderdarth]

that's because it's gino we're talking about here. That's his way. it doesn't make him evil it's just that he cannot separate fact and opinion. They are interchangeable. Which came first the opinion or the fact, the chicken or the egg? I wouldn't suggest sending him to the store for eggs if you get my meaning.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Guys, that proof goes a loooooooooong way. What we are lacking is anything backing up Jesper's story of finding the chunk missing from the cheek. There hasn't been one shed of evidence to support that. Jesper told vadermania who told us what he was told.

 

[Darth Niob]

Guys, that proof goes a loooooooooong way. What we are lacking is anything backing up Jesper's story of finding the chunk missing from the cheek. There hasn't been one shed of evidence to support that. Jesper told vadermania who told us what he was told.

I will have some infos soon but honestly i doubt it will change anything. You guys see what you want to see.

 

[vaderdarth]

at some point you have to remove your gino colored glasses and just look at screen caps. I'd be happy to post.

 

[KaanE]

I will have some infos soon but honestly i doubt it will change anything. You guys see what you want to see.

Strange. I thought exactly the same about you Den's.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Man, if you have clear shots, it DOES give some weight. The clear shots we have so far do not aid the TM C-scar cause. They crush it as much as someone NOT having the story straight in regards to pictures.

People here can, and do judge objectively for themselves. Look at the new guys hungry for Vader knowledge. I fear these guys will never be satisfied with "Take my word for it" as some of us have been.

Here is what gets me. People think that I cannot be objective. It is an insult to my intellect. It is an insult to many others as well who have come to the same conclusions I have. We know the Vader helmet has been molded at different stages. We know there is a UK mold. We haven't seen an unaltered pull from that mold though. Those are the facts. The ONLY unaltered mold shot we have is from her Baker mold. Again, more facts.

Dave, at some point you have to lay off of the condescension and be real. No one is looking at anything through Gino glasses. Gino offered up some evidence for us to decide. The other side has not disputed this evidence with anything of their own.

 

[defstartrooper]

Guys, that proof goes a loooooooooong way. What we are lacking is anything backing up Jesper's story of finding the chunk missing from the cheek. There hasn't been one shed of evidence to support that. Jesper told vadermania who told us what he was told.

Again Hector the burden of proof isn't on Jesper or Vadermania, GINO is the one making the accusations and his proof is what exactly beyond a single photo and him saying there's no filler ?

This is the guy that stated as fact remember that the kink on the ANH trooper helmet right tube was purely an assembly issue and that's why it wasn't present on his helmet when he was questioned about it, then low and behold his latest incarnation has said kink.

This is the man who has stated as fact for years that his trooper helmet moulds are completely untouched or cleaned up but finally tripped himself up by saying in the CFO trooper thread where he was yet again rubbishing someone elses stuff that all moulds require cleanup his included, he still states as fact 3 times over on his own site that his moulds aren't cleaned up by the way.

This is the man who has now sold 3 yes count them 3 incarnations of his accurate stunt stormtrooper helmets all of which are different.

P.S remember that thread where Thomas tried to question him about the origins of his Vader casts ?
You know the one where you among everyone else said GINO doesn't have to provide proof it was up to Thomas to and the mods locked it and i believe Thomas got an infraction too for baiting.

Funy how it only works one way.