Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[defstartrooper]

Oh, so you believe it too?

Where would you get that idea from ?
I'll believe it when GINO shows his proof but until then it's just one among many of GINO's unsubstantiated claims.
As i said in a previous post none of these people GINO is making accusations about have ever been shown to be dishonest or deceptive in any way or been shown to make false or misleading claims.

 

[AJK001]

Where's the face palm gif when you need it.

 

[Alan Castillo]

Is 5500 views and 341 replies in under 48 hrs a record ?

 

[vaderdarth]

gino always posts loudly when he believes he has proof as seen in these threads. A couple TM guys offered proof. It didn't change everyone's minds including ginos. That's A-Okay. Live and Let live.

You are most welcome Qui, you'd do the same for me

 

[Al May]

Where's the face palm gif when you need it.

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[AJK001]

Thanks, that is just what I needed. :lol

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

gino always posts loudly when he believes he has proof as seen in these threads. A couple TM guys offered proof. It didn't change everyone's minds including ginos. That's A-Okay. Live and Let live.

You are most welcome Qui, you'd do the same for me

Only when you are trying to conceal your sarcasm.

No one has offered up any proof of the TM between the stages I am speaking of, Dave. We have pre-tusk tube rebuild where the mask is stripped raw and post rebuild ready for molding, but nothing in the middle.

 

[vaderdarth]

No sarcasm intended. I am not disagreeing with you Qui, that information has not been posted at this forum. Peace,

Dave

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Well, the thing is to get the information out to where the masses can see it and judge for ourselves. I'm done taking people's words for things. Show me, don't tel me. I think the TM rebuild happened a bit of time before I joined the Den, so it does me no good to tell me it exists.

We are hitting a new age of sharing of information, which I am really digging. Yes, we will ALL still have to sift through and figure stuff out for ourselves, but what has been done over the last week has been unprecedented in my term here.

 

[vaderdarth]

I don't know for an absolute fact that it was ever posted on any public forum Qui. Den included. What I do know is that it will never be posted in a hostile environment because it doesn't matter who else knows it in the grand scheme of things. There is no desire to sell the TM to the people who are poo pooing it.

The eFX, on the other hand, now that's still being advertised with vigor as the best thing since sliced cheese. That makes it a target of inquiry. People spending vast sums of money on 1200 helmets gets people interested in gritty details.

The TM owner has every right to protect his own property's value by keeping his trap shut around guys who just want to tear his pretty helmet down. That has been true of every single replica prop that has some screen lineage. eFX doesn't have to do such a silly thing as it knows there are at least 4 helmets floating about that share it's RB mould. Nobody Qui, nobody will give away all the sensitive details about their property, they'd be fools to do so. gino has never shown his entire hand with his trooper lids................and he'd be a fool to do so or every tom dick and harry would create his own identical version. He got criticized for it just like the TM owner will get criticized for it. It won't change the reality though. Though I wanted to see a photo of the mould in the area of the "you know what" I wasn't given what I wanted. It is just a reality.

 

[JediCarl]

Where's the face palm gif when you need it.

A fitting one:

 

[Darth Niob]

Just want to add that Gino hasnt showed any details from his personal helmets. Not in the past, not now, not in the future. All the infos he shared were about the mold/helmet from eFX. So its pretty easy for him to cry and ask for more detailed pics and evidence.
The owner of these helmets should post as many details as possible and he is still sitting on this own stuff, still showed nothing, still hasnt proved anything he said.

 

[vaderdarth]

Niob, I'm not even gonna criticize him for not showing his goods. I'm only critical of his expectation that others should do what he refuses to. Hypocritical at best.

gino would be a fool to allow his own eFX helmet to look the same as all the other eFX helmets out there. Let's just get real for a minute. Why would he want exactly what everyone else across the globe has got? He's got a top 5 helmet, why would he want a top 1205 helmet? Do you expect the TM owner to be different? Hell no.

 

[Darth Niob]

Niob, I'm not even gonna criticize him for not showing his goods. I'm only critical of his expectation that others should do what he refuses to. Hypocritical at best.

Thats exactly what i meant. I couldnt care less what he has on his mannequins but its not fair to ask for infos and pics but is not willing to share something equal.

 

[vaderdarth]

Amen and Amen

 

[GINO]

With respect, there is absolutely no way the c-scar cheek in that photo of the original TM is not the original surface. It very much is the original surface with nothing covering it.
If you look at the area of the brow that shows what this additional resin looks like, you can clearly see that the cheek has nothing on it that even remotely resembles that resin.

Look at the area of the paint separation line on the nose bridge. Are you going to tell me that area is covered with resin as well? Don't be foolish.
That detail was added in just like the c-scar.

In addition, you can still see in both pics some of the same wrinkles etc.. which even further proves that is the original surface and not a resin covered surface.

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see this.


First the argument was that these areas were photoshopped.
Now it's moved on to that they are magically filled with black resin.
Come on.


Let's just acknowledge the truth staring us in the face.
JRX/Jesper took it upon himself to add/remove details to this facemask in an effort to make it more accurate according to how he believed it should be.
Not in a deceptive way, but in a 'let me improve it' sort of way.

Now that everyone already has these details in their castings, no one wants to admit was has happened because they feel it would somehow lessen the integrity of their castings.
Don't worry, it won't. The TM is still awesome.
It's not the fault of the TM owners who believed it was part of the casting. They just didn't know what was done to it before they got it.
Can't we just come to consensus for once in the history of vader debates?

The fact that the original TM casting didn't have a dimensional c-scar blemish is a good thing. That even further speaks to it's integrity because the original screen used helmets (ANH-ROTJ) did not either.
JRX made a decision based on what he thought was right at the time. You can't fault the guy for that.
Better to just accept what happened than to continue making up unreasonable excuses for it.


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[vaderdarth]

so you are saying that if JRX posted a photographic log of his adventure in C-scar land for the masses that you still wouldn't believe? What's a guy's motivation for posting anything further? Do some screen stills of the original helmet. It's very obvious it's not a flat surface with a silver C scar intentionally applied with a paint brush man. That's so weak. Some guy in a hurry grabbed the mask while the new paint was wet, it wrinkled up the primer/basecoat on account of his finger being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Once the scene was over, if you ran your finger across it, you'd feel the ridge. To think otherwise is quite goofy. It's in the screen stills. Go check them out again. Want me to post them for you?

 

[Trap Joe]

With respect, there is absolutely no way the c-scar cheek in that photo of the original TM is not the original surface. It very much is the original surface with nothing covering it.
If you look at the area of the brow that shows what this additional resin looks like, you can clearly see that the cheek has nothing on it that even remotely resembles that resin.

Look at the area of the paint separation line on the nose bridge. Are you going to tell me that area is covered with resin as well? Don't be foolish.
That detail was added in just like the c-scar.

In addition, you can still see in both pics some of the same wrinkles etc.. which even further proves that is the original surface and not a resin covered surface.

You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see this.


First the argument was that these areas were photoshopped.
Now it's moved on to that they are magically filled with black resin.
Come on.


Let's just acknowledge the truth staring us in the face.
JRX/Jesper took it upon himself to add/remove details to this facemask in an effort to make it more accurate according to how he believed it should be.
Not in a deceptive way, but in a 'let me improve it' sort of way.

Now that everyone already has these details in their castings, no one wants to admit was has happened because they feel it would somehow lessen the integrity of their castings.
Don't worry, it won't. The TM is still awesome.
It's not the fault of the TM owners who believed it was part of the casting. They just didn't know what was done to it before they got it.
Can't we just come to consensus for once in the history of vader debates?

The fact that the original TM casting didn't have a dimensional c-scar blemish is a good thing. That even further speaks to it's integrity because the original screen used helmets (ANH-ROTJ) did not either.
JRX made a decision based on what he thought was right at the time. You can't fault the guy for that.
Better to just accept what happened than to continue making up unreasonable excuses for it.


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this is the last time I mention it: The C-scar was there. It WAS NOT SCULPTED BY JESPER

 

[GINO]

Posting screen caps regardless of their quality are not going to do anything to aid in this debate other than clutter up the thread more.

I think JRX posting a photographic log would be EXTREMELY helpful.
I also would think that the motivating factor would be to disprove what overwhelmingly is being agreed by everyone with the exception of the small group of TM owners.

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[JediCarl]

this is the last time I mention it: The C-scar was there. It WAS NOT SCULPTED BY JESPER

Okay then. Provide your proof. Words will not suffice.