Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

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Thanks man, I'm looking for the painted legend C cheek vs the Screen C cheek. One above the other in the comparison. Try to size the pics the same. I'd truly appreciate it.

gino, the photos you posted that were higher def of the production Legend and Limited helmets.........was that paint job seen on those also done by yourself or was that actual factory painted?
 
Lets not lose track of the subject at hand.

I for one have seen the evidence and have no doubt the c scar is a myth.
And as several members of the "TM camp" have generously given people permission to think what they will instead of bolstering their side of the argument with contrary proof of any sort, I absolutely will think what I will...

It does not seem to exist on the original TM, nor on the Rick Baker mould. Since that covers both the US and UK moulds I find it impossible to believe it was on the original ANH Vader helmet those moulds were made from.

I cannot be swayed in my opinion without first seeing pictures of that area on the original SL, TD, or on some original UK casting.

Wow i'm glad you aren't a jurist given the flimsy evidence you take as solid proof and no room for doubt.
How about we flip the coin and as GINO is the one making statements of fact and accusations ask him to prove the c-scar isn't on the original helmet,the original SL, the original TM or the UK mould ?
Afterall that's usually how it works round here and in civilised circles the one throwing accusations about is the one who has to provide proof.
I realise he may have difficulty doing this given that he's not seen any of the four items personally but there you go, clearly he must have proof he wouldn't make an unsubstantiated accusation like that would he without it ?
Lets see him post it.
 
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Lets not lose track of the subject at hand.

I for one have seen the evidence and have no doubt the c scar is a myth.
And as several members of the "TM camp" have generously given people permission to think what they will instead of bolstering their side of the argument with contrary proof of any sort, I absolutely will think what I will...

It does not seem to exist on the original TM, nor on the Rick Baker mould. Since that covers both the US and UK moulds I find it impossible to believe it was on the original ANH Vader helmet those moulds were made from.

I cannot be swayed in my opinion without first seeing pictures of that area on the original SL, TD, or on some original UK casting.

Think what you like Mr Jones, but this quote comes to mind when I read your post: Who's more the fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?

As a TM owner I can testify the "scar" as you call it DOES EXIST !!!

It's AUTHENTIC and REAL !!! :ninja

NEXT !!!
 
Exactly.

I think what Jones is trying to say is that none of you can produce solid proof that the scar was part of any of the original molds (UK or otherwise) and not added later in subsequent castings.

We know that the Baker mold does not have it. That's been documented. The UK molds (or, at least the original) are most definitely still up for debate and nothing has been proven one way or the other. The gospel among Vader Geeks does not constitute irrefutable evidence.
 
Im going to tell you guys a sad story about a Darth Vader helmet.

About a year, i visited one flea market here in Mexico City. i Discovered a guy who made resin and fiberglass helmets (Vader, stormtrooper, among others) not well done and an awfull painting job, by the way. I found that the Vader helmet (the face) was no other than the TM casting¡¡¡ with c-scar and everything¡¡¡¡... i asked the guy about that and he told me that he just got the helmet from an ebay seller ( he said "from an LFL employee):lol.... so, in a way, the TM is the most pirated helmet and no. 1 in sales arround the world.¡¡¡... So that is the reason i dont trust anymore on the grey market, because, like this guy, someone with a mask with c-scar and details claims to had the "true thing"...( of course, this change the whole thing with the efx offering).

I learn a lot in this threads and im glad that artisans like GINO show us evidence of the real thing ( and i mean REAL evidence), some of us like to spend money in a sure thing. And if some guys want a piece of garbage i can give you the number of the guy in the flea market.....

i will post pictures of this guy and his helmets to see...it worth a laugh, not more, and yes...the face from his helmets is form a TM recast (c-scar included...):love
 
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Im going to tell you guys a sad story about a Darth Vader helmet.

About a year, i visited one flea market here in Mexico City. i Discovered a guy who made resin and fiberglass helmets (Vader, stormtrooper, among others) not well done and an awfull painting job, by the way. I found that the Vader helmet (the face) was no other than the TM casting¡¡¡ with c-scar and everything¡¡¡¡... i asked the guy about that and he told me that he just got the helmet from an ebay seller ( he said "from an LFL employee):lol.... so, in a way, the TM is the most pirated helmet and no. 1 in sales arround the world.¡¡¡... So that is the reason i dont trust anymore on the grey market, because, like this guy, someone with a mask with c-scar and details claims to had the "true thing"...( of course, this change the whole thing with the efx offering).

I learn a lot in this threads and im glad that artisans like GINO show us evidence of the real thing ( and i mean REAL evidence), some of us like to spend money in a sure thing. And if some guys want a piece of garbage i can give you the number of the guy in the flea market.....

i will post pictures of this guy and his helmets to see...it worth a laugh, not more, and yes...the face from his helmets is form a TM mould (c-scar included...):love

Get back under the bridge.
 
Fatherless One; Yeah it exists on the TM casts, thats painfully obvious but thanks again for pointing it out.
But does it exist on the original TM face? Thats been the topic at hand while we are pointing out the obvious.
Resin covering it? Doubtful.

But lets take a look at some other casting that might have it.
I will let you know if I think I can see the scar.

From the UK lineage;
The VP
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Nope.
Now we all know this was cleaned up a bit but some people claim there are remnants of the scar on it. I dont see anything
at all in that area and these pictures are pretty sweet.
Maybe I could see something in person if I turned it just right but I dont think so.
Even so we know this one was cleaned up and nobody has ever really claimed it had the scar.

The TD
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Nope
These pictures are from the ebay auction and even though they are not so large and the helmet fairly dusty, I think we would
be able to see something there.
It looks pretty smooth to me. Its not positive because of the picture size
but I can make out the scar on similarly sized pictures of TM castings.
Thomas did not strip this helmet prior to his moulding of it.
Therefore whatever is under the paint remains a secret from both eyes and castings.
Yet he has claimed the helmet has it. I just dont see it but I would like to see some new better pictures.

The US lineage/ the Rick Baker mold.

The SL
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Nope.
Now here we are getting into even more uncertain territory with the small pictures,
but the light seems to be hitting that cheek fairly well and I dont see the scar. But that is on the original SL helmet.

I think I can see it in this picture of a casting from it. (pictured below)
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Cant really tell. But lets look at another helmet from the same mold.

The eFX
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Nope.
Now people in the "pro scar" camp have suggested it wore off the mold before the eFX was made.
Not very likely.
You really think such a large mark with so much detail in it just vanished completely leaving that cheek unmarked in that area?
It just does not seem possible.

People in that same group have suggested it was never there in the first place having been filled/sanded by Rick Baker when
he made the mold or that the helmet was molded after the repaint of the original helmet.

If thats true how come the owner of the SL helmet and other alleged owners of helmets from that same mold (Lambatour)
claim their helmets have the scar?


Something is fishy with the whole scar thing.
Maybe the answer is obvious and I havent been paying proper attention just like defstartrooper,
who seems to have missed any posts relating to the topic and is still under the impression that "flimsy evidence"
is all we have been given by Gino on the detail not being there on the Rick Baker mold.
Let me assure you that if I was a "jurist" as you say,
the picture of that mold provides no room for doubt and I would sleep well with my verdict.

The only room for doubt is whether it exists on the UK lineage helmets.
I think the evidence we have so far points to the scar not being there.
But as I said, I will await better pictures of those castings to pass my verdict on that point.
 
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I just reviewed all my screen stills from the standard DVD, look at the Tantive scenes in succession for all screen stills and make up your own mind whether the C-scar is dimensional. :) Very cool! As vader's head turns and the light source moves from left to right etc.... the scar disappears. It's only visible when the light catches the raised edge. then go look at gino's photos of the legend and see what happens to the painted version of the C scar when it's viewed from each angle........gino's scar does not disappear. If it were non dimensional paint, it couldn't disappear as the light changes sides as the paint would still reflect light when in contrast with the black paint beside it. Again, don't take my word for it, go see it for yourself. It's pretty darn cool.

Oh yeah, I no longer need the photo comps, like I was gonna get them anyway...LOL. I found what I needed on the eFX website. That's where I saw it in the first place.

peace,

Dave :)
 
Woo Hoo Osama Bin Laden is DEAD!!! I know this is off topic and I'm sorry,
but this C-scar stuff is so insignificant compared to this news..
 
In the VP pic that Davey Jones posted...anyone else see the paint line that was supposedly added to the TM?
 
In the VP pic that Davey Jones posted...anyone else see the paint line that was supposedly added to the TM?

Correct. It seems to have been added to the TM. If you look at pictures of the stripped original its not there.
 
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