Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[Qui-Gonzalez]

The thing is not one shred of photographic proof has been offered up to show a c-scar on the raw facemask. Not a one. We have pics posted that show the finished piece with a c-scar there though. Without the middle, we have no idea how it got there.

 

[Art Andrews]

So where would you like this to go from here?

It isn't about where I would like to go. It is simply about clarity in the argument.

I guess my first question would be, if you have that email, which would give at least a bit of substantiation to your argument, at least showing things WERE discovered after the fact, why aren't you posting it up? Gino has been hammered on for years (and rightfully so) for not showing proof and expecting people to just believe him and now it seems some of the same thing is being done here by those who were first in line to hammer him. If you believe in all that you are saying, and you have some evidence to back that up, why aren't you falling over yourself to provide that proof?

In regard to what you are posting over at the Prop Den, unless you are hoping to use your photos as some type of advertising tool to bring people from a two-sided discussion to a site where they are only going to get one side of the argument, why are you only posting proof there and not here where thousands and thousands more eyes will see them? You have been very big in promoting the "come to the Prop Den" concept in these threads, which only makes it look like you want to encourage people to come to a venue where no one will be allowed to voice too strongly of a dissenting view. Why not make your stand here? Has your view of me been so skewed by the libelous comments that have been posted at the Prop Den that you think I would subvert your efforts to show proof of your beliefs about these details in the helmet? If so, that is truly a shame, as I think better of you than that.

 

[encased]

Thank you for inverting this. I don't know, but to me this could possibly be the start of a thin layer that goes from here to the edge. This is why I'd like to see more pics from the removal process.

As for the PS argument, it seems the only one that should have chimed in was Vadermania as it's his pic. Everyone else saying something muddied the water where some say it was altered on purpose to hide detail for protection while others on the same side saying it was altered by enemies and vice versa. That got confusing.

But vadermania says it's not so I'll trust him on his word as it's his pic.

Moving on.

 

[OldKen]

If there was ever a scratch at all it was faint. It was most certain not sculpted in there. So it was either drybrushed grey over black. Or an accidental paint transfer or a faint scratch in the top of the paint.

If you had the filming helmet in 77 after shooting wrapped. And stripped it... There would be NO discernible C.

Wasn't in the sculpt. Wasn't in the original casts. I can't say what it IS. But after all of this, and a conversation I had with an ILMer yesterday...

I can say what it isn't with 99.9% certainty.

If one of you have a pic of the pre prepped and unaltered TM mask with broken tusks... Maybe it WAS faintly there? But you haven't shown it. But even then it appears it was sanded to hell and added back.

Hey Gino may be an *****... But right now his statements sound more plausible and he has showed his cards. And the cards of the other camps.

All the anti Gino guys are saying they have proof...

Jesper was a super talented and nice guy but I think those of you who took his word as 100% truth may need to at least step back and see where he is in all
This... Far away from it.

Where is Gino?

I know some of you will never talk to me again. And will label me in the Gino camp... I have had great conversations with a lot of you. I consider Mac, Joe, SL, sskunky etc etc to be super talented, intelligent, and stand up RPF MEMBERS!!!

I just think this one time... About this single tiny C shaped "blemish".

You guys are wrong. And may not be lying about your "facts" but I think you should be willing to accept the possibility that it was you who were lied to.

Would love to hear more from vadermania. And really hope Mr. Muir pops in with his 2cents...

 

[Juansith]

Thank you for inverting this. I don't know, but to me this could possibly be the start of a thin layer that goes from here to the edge. This is why I'd like to see more pics from the removal process.

From what you say,that layer would have to go all the way to the left of the cheek covering a very good ammount of area.
From that red line you drew to the pic left, it looks very smooth.

 

[Juansith]

 

[Zombie Killer]

It really is too bad the mask was not cast from the get go. Then restored to ESB condition, cast then restored to ANH and cast. Too much history lost. :cry

 

[CSMacLaren]

It isn't about where I would like to go. It is simply about clarity in the argument.

I guess my first question would be, if you have that email, which would give at least a bit of substantiation to your argument, at least showing things WERE discovered after the fact, why aren't you posting it up? Gino has been hammered on for years (and rightfully so) for not showing proof and expecting people to just believe him and now it seems some of the same thing is being done here by those who were first in line to hammer him. If you believe in all that you are saying, and you have some evidence to back that up, why aren't you falling over yourself to provide that proof?

You know, I'm curious. When you say "you" and "your", are you addressing me as an individual, or clumping me with everyone else?

If someone presumes to have the authority to bully others, it's the obligation of the people bullied to challenge that authority. That is why some of us stand up to Gino. And how many times have you yourself asked Gino to back his statements instead of his circular logic trademark, "If you don't believe me, just look at my statues. The fact that they have that look must mean I know something!)

If you will kindly re-read all my posts, you will notice I've been posting peacefully, cordially and informatively, and never once did I beat people over the head or bully them. I'm contributing my opinion. So why, suddenly do I have to cough up private correspondence, Art? Yet as I've tried bridging the pro- and anti- C-scar-structure issue diplomatically, you've allowed me to be called freak, fanatic, and insinuated to have evil intent towards eFX.

Given this, you're doing more than take sides against "flip-flopping". You're taking sides with Gino.

The bias is clear. I'm done talking to you.

 

[Clutch]

And the academy award goes to CSMaclaren for this line:

Tom Mullack took pity on me being misled by Vader vendors and bullied by certain personalities, and contacted me to see if i wanted a TM casting, and that turned things around for me as well as several others. It took power away from the personalities and into the hands of the little people.

:lol

 

[encased]

It really is too bad the mask was not cast from the get go. Then restored to ESB condition, cast then restored to ANH and cast. Too much history lost. :cry

That was point when asking. If it's so important a piece for me I would want an example of how it was BEFORE anything was done to it. and only alter it after making a precise copy of my original version.

 

[Juansith]

I guess in the worst case scenario, the TM owners have a helmet with a very nice looking C scar made by one extremely talented person.
Hey, its not bad at all.

 

[encased]

That would be an excellent way to look at it. I'd still be happy if it turned out that and i owned one as it's a beautiful lid regardless.

 

[Juansith]

That would be an excellent way to look at it. I'd still be happy if it turned out that and i owned one as it's a beautiful lid regardless.

Excellent Lid indeed!.
And i quote the most experienced "Its right up there in the Top 3"

 

[vaderdarth]

There's no way Juan, gino says human civilization does not have the ability to create screen accurate details like that. He thinks it will be eons before his kind beam down and teach us how to create such accurate home made details in a prop replica. Only he can pull a casting out of the Baker mould that many many other people have pulled from and not pull that screen accurate divot over Vader's left brow. All those other idiots ended up with that freaking inaccurate divot in their domes. You just have to take gino at his word on this one man. He's got divot removal skills, left to right C-scar orientation and painting skills, nunchuk skills, you know SKILLS!!!!

 

[Juansith]

There's no way Juan, gino says human civilization does not have the ability to create screen accurate details like that. He thinks it will be eons before his kind beam down and teach us how to create such accurate home made details in a prop replica. Only he can pull a casting out of the Baker mould that many many other people have pulled from and not pull that screen accurate divot over Vader's left brow. All those other idiots ended up with that freaking inaccurate divot in their domes. You just have to take gino at his word on this one man. He's got divot removal skills, left to right C-scar orientation and painting skills, nunchuk skills, you know SKILLS!!!!

You missed computer hacking skills You Napoleon you:lol

I know your comment is full of sarcasm but let me get a point of view here.

I lived in Florence for a year and a half, i used to sit on a chair in front of the David every time i could.
Belive me when i tell you ive seen what the talent of a human can achieve.

that C scar is nothing.

 

[encased]

Ya never know, they might have been told to remove the divot by LFL. Maybe they don't want to admit what they were forced to change as it would possibly upset the die hards willing to shell out that kind of money for a helmet?

Just speculation. I would fully understand if that were the case as it's out of eFX's control and has nothing to do with their quality. Sometimes your boss makes you do stuff you don't like.

In any case it's still the best licensed ANH period and going to be the envy of many. End of story.

 

[Zombie Killer]

(as he waves his hand left to right in a jedi mind trick knd of way) "the mask is not the what you were talking about, it is the helmet divot" " you must get Gino with pichforks because he filled in the divot"

 

[Trap Joe]

It really is too bad the mask was not cast from the get go. Then restored to ESB condition, cast then restored to ANH and cast. Too much history lost. :cry

I asked to do so. Unfortunately it was decided not to spend money for two silicone molds of the faceplate.

 

[Zombie Killer]

I asked to do so. Unfortunately it was decided not to spend money for two silicone molds of the faceplate.

+1 for trying, at least someone was thinking.

 

[Juansith]

Im actually glad he filled that God awful divot, it diminished status to the Dark Sith, havent you seen how Leia and pretty much every one how they look at it.
"Oh my God, look at that divot, its terrible...oh wait, is it...looking...at...me?"