Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[ArtisanProps]

To me personally it counts even more to have a size compairisson between TM and EFX ANH helmet.
Because I made the TM casting with very expensive materials that allowed me to receive results with nearly no shrinkage. The TM casts are 1 % smaller which is not noticable, and my personal one - as 4 others - have the very correct weight of the TM original. If the EFX helmet has archieved this goal as well, I have to have one.

It's good to see you thought enough to buy a silicone with a low shrink rate.
I always wondered about that :thumbsup

what did you use to make the castings because gelcoat and fiberglass can shrink like
crazy if the condition and mixture aren't perfect.

 

[Zombie Killer]

Joe I agree and I think that so does everyone else in these discussions. I do think you'll see a slight difference as eFX would almost definitely have had to create multiple and possibly 3rd gen moulds of the helmets. In the best situation it could result in 1% shrinkage each generation. I'm not huge on the size issue like some guys are. That's another personal preference with these helmets.

Actually they would take the master and mold it a bunch of times not keep molding the last cast . And i'm sure they can afford good low shrinkage silicone. Again the subject changes , now it's dome size. You guys are too predictable.

 

[Art Andrews]

Your comment about me jumping topics is very rude and baiting one Art.

Not rude or baiting. When Gino posted the pic of the Baker molds to answer your questions about the cheek detailing, for all intents and purposes you ignored what was an unprecedented event (while everyone else was cheering it) and immediately demanded to know about the divot (jumping topics). I am sure you can go back to the eFX thread and dig it up if you wanted.

From my perspective, and apparently the perspective of many others, this is what I have seen happening and what I am taking issue with:

In the past, Gino's approach to information has been "I am right, believe me or **** off" which I think we can all agree is a crappy approach that doesn't benefit the community.

In the eFX thread Gino took a very different approach, something totally unique and out of character for him. His approach in the eFX thread was more of:

Dissenting voices: Rabble! Rabble! It looks like you changed things on purpose and didn't use the original mold and by the way we don't like you! We demand an explanation for issue X! Rabble! Rabble!

Gino: Here is what I did and here is is why we dealt with issue X this way and here is a photo.

Dissenting voices: RABBLE! RABBLE! ISSUE X DOESN'T MATTER! WE DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FOR ISSUE Y!

Gino: Alright, here is an explanation for issue Y and a photo.

Dissenting voices: TAR AND FEATHER HIM! HE HAS NOT EXPLAINED ISSUE Z! HE IS LYING TO YOU!

I seem to remember some long-banned troublemakers who used to utilize that same approach in an effort to undermine their perceived enemies.

There.... now you can say I have been rude and melodramatic. Feel free to comment on how a mod shouldn't act this way and rabble rabble... :rolleyes


What makes your argument appear petty is that for years Gino has aptly been rebuked for not showing proof, but when he finally does, you continue to browbeat him. That is like trying to teach a dog to sit and then smacking it on the nose when it does as asked. It makes it appear that your concern isn't truly with proof but only with finding a reason to smack the dog. And yes, I just compared Gino to a dog, so both of you can be equally offended.

 

[vaderdarth]

That is your opinion Zombie Killer, yet you weren't there. If gino or Bryan say that, that's entirely different. It will be a non issue for the masses Zombie Killer, but I get the idea you are personally threatened by such an idea. 3% wouldn't hardly be a visible difference dude. Try not to take things so far out of context. I'm starting to think you're rattled.

See that's the difference between you and me Art, it's perfectly acceptable for you and your cronies to ask me and others questions and then berate us if if you don't agree with the answer, but when we try to ask legitimate questions about a future product that someone can actually purchase, we are brow beating. Nice double standard. Not totally out of character for you where gino is concerned. You can kiss up to him in any way you like man, nobody truly gives a rip. You guys are way way too much on the defensive. Try to relax and re-read my posts. Sure I use sarcasm when I think something is said that is just "out there", but I have been respectful. I have asked about 3 or 4 specific questions in 3 days. If you believe that is too HARD for the only expert to answer over the span of 3 days, you both have far more serious issues than anyone can help you with man. These threads are supposed to be informational in nature. Relax!

 

[Zombie Killer]

What your doing Vaderdarth is basically saying EFX and GINO don't know what they are doing by implying they would use inferior products and be dumb enough to not take size into consideration.

 

[JediCarl]

Not rude or baiting. When Gino posted the pic of the Baker molds to answer your questions about the cheek detailing, for all intents and purposes you ignored what was an unprecedented event (while everyone else was cheering it) and immediately demanded to know about the divot (jumping topics). I am sure you can go back to the eFX thread and dig it up if you wanted.

From my perspective, and apparently the perspective of many others, this is what I have seen happening and what I am taking issue with:

In the past, Gino's approach to information has been "I am right, believe me or **** off" which I think we can all agree is a crappy approach that doesn't benefit the community.

In the eFX thread Gino took a very different approach, something totally unique and out of character for him. His approach in the eFX thread was more of:

Dissenting voices: Rabble! Rabble! It looks like you changed things on purpose and didn't use the original mold and by the way we don't like you! We demand an explanation for issue X! Rabble! Rabble!

Gino: Here is what I did and here is is why we dealt with issue X this way and here is a photo.

Dissenting voices: RABBLE! RABBLE! ISSUE X DOESN'T MATTER! WE DEMAND AN EXPLANATION FOR ISSUE Y!

Gino: Alright, here is an explanation for issue Y and a photo.

Dissenting voices: TAR AND FEATHER HIM! HE HAS NOT EXPLAINED ISSUE Z! HE IS LYING TO YOU!

I seem to remember some long-banned troublemakers who used to utilize that same approach in an effort to undermine their perceived enemies.

There.... now you can say I have been rude and melodramatic. Feel free to comment on how a mod shouldn't act this way and rabble rabble... :rolleyes


What makes your argument appear petty is that for years Gino has aptly been rebuked for not showing proof, but when he finally does, you continue to browbeat him. That is like trying to teach a dog to sit and then smacking it on the nose when it does as asked. It makes it appear that your concern isn't truly with proof but only with finding a reason to smack the dog. And yes, I just compared Gino to a dog, so both of you can be equally offended.

BINGO! That is the perfect encapsulation of what's been going on in these threads. I'd been just reading them as an unbiased outsider until recently.

There is no mistaking that the eFX project (and Gino's involvement in particular) has many in the diehard Vader expert community butthurt. They can try to mask it with layers of posturing and passive-aggressive posts, but their seething is plain as day, even to "outsiders".

 

[Juansith]

@ Vaderdarth, whats with pointin the "masses" every time somethig has to do with the eFX?, sounds insultive and demeaning.Like "the masses dont know so theyll settle", are you staring at us from a Palace balcony view with silk gloves, a wig and face paint?
I dont think 250 of us makes us a "mass", and it sure doesnt make you and other "the few".
I know you and others think of yourselves as an elite, but you coming and showing it out loud is offensive.

You see, thats the kind of things that fuel me up...
... I apologize in advance.

 

[vaderdarth]

Juan, the masses are eFX's customers man, not just the few of us who live and breathe Vader, it's short sighted of you to believe otherwise. The masses includes us, but we are only a very small percentage....like 3% overall. So don't go reading into a single word and thinking it's something else. You are in the masses, and so am I. If a helmet is 3% smaller than a first gen out of the Baker mould, it will not in any way affect the recipient. There might be like 4 guys on this forum who would care about 3%. I am definitely not one of them. What is important to some is not important to all. Again, you are being very defensive. It's only a discussion. We aren't trying to steal your pop tarts.

 

[vaderdarth]

You guys who keep saying that anyone inquiring about the eFX or in any way disagreeing with gino are poo pooing the product and honestly, that is so tired. More than half the guys who have been questioning or in disagreement have purchased one of the versions of this helmet thanks to these very discussions. How bout giving that little theory a break. I already said I want one. What do I have to do, buy yours to prove it???

Dave

 

[Zombie Killer]

We aren't trying to steal your pop tarts.

You can have the pop tarts, just don't touch my tumblehome. :$

 

[ob1al]

I'm really interested in Vader and would like some factual discussion on the subject in hand, backed up with solid evidence, rather than reams and reams of petty bickering, sniping, name calling and political claptrap. Please.

All the infighting is really tiresome and counterproductive.

 

[encased]

Yes, for $1,000,000,000.00

Paypal is fine.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

It's like speed reading, Ob. Pick the first and last sentence of the paragraph and the rest is just filler.

Dave, no one is saying to not discuss the eFX. (At least I am not) The topic here is whether or not a C-scar exists. We have one pic of something that touched a screen used helmet and there is no dimensional chunk missing from the cheek. All of the surrounding greeblies and imperfections you see on the screen used are there, but no chunky C-scar.

We only have that one bit of proof.

 

[JediCarl]

It speaks to the insular mindset of the Vader diehards that a product with a worldwide Edition Size of just 250 units is considered a mass market item. :lol Wow.

 

[GINO]

I would add to that proof that multiple source UK derivative helmets do not have it either.


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[DARTH CHARLES]

..."Only he can pull a casting out of the Baker mould that many many other people have pulled from and not pull that screen accurate divot over Vader's left brow. All those other idiots ended up with that freaking inaccurate divot in their domes..."


divot...divot...divot....divot....divot...divot...more divot.....Can somebody give this man a divot please????? or an aspirin????.....:sick

 

[vaderdarth]

No the divots are DUN man. I got my freaking divot. Not a pic of the baker mould, but the next best thing. Again, thank you gino.

Now I'd like to change the subject back to the C-scar if it's okay by Art and gino.

Would someone put that comparison back up of the eFX cheek and the screen cheek (both with C scar) and make them the same size. Put them one above the other I just want to see them. I'm still deciding if I want Legend or Limited. I got an email from a guy who may part with either or.

Dave

 

[Davy Jones]

Lets not lose track of the subject at hand.

I for one have seen the evidence and have no doubt the c scar is a myth.
And as several members of the "TM camp" have generously given people permission to think what they will instead of bolstering their side of the argument with contrary proof of any sort, I absolutely will think what I will...

It does not seem to exist on the original TM, nor on the Rick Baker mould. Since that covers both the US and UK moulds I find it impossible to believe it was on the original ANH Vader helmet those moulds were made from.

I cannot be swayed in my opinion without first seeing pictures of that area on the original SL, TD, or on some original UK casting.

 

[vaderdarth]

Pics of the cheek anyone??? My photo editing skills suck or I'd just try to do it for myself.

 

[encased]

Added a few more of the pics in the midst of the discussion to 1st post. Let me know which ones you want added and I'll put more up. I'm going to go through the eFX thread again to see what's there that I can pull over.