The Ultimate Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi Real Vintage Parts Lightsaber Group

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  1. OdiWan72

    OdiWan72 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That´s basically the cost for the FULL deac. Browning MK2, which we only need/ want the barrel jacket/ booster/ cone etc. of :(
    Since I can not ship a deac. MK2 overseas, I will strip it for the needed parts and scrap the rest (which is worthless for any military collector then)

    Insane, I know
     
  2. Bradberry00

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    Just throwing this out there...and it may not be something worth considering. But, would it be worth removing the booster and replacing it with a Roman or other replica and reselling the gun at a lower cost, maybe you could sell it for 500 euro for example making the part we need a little more affordable and not completely scraping a piece of history.

    just throwing out ideas.

     
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  3. OdiWan72

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    Already thought about this buddy.,
    BUT you have to keep in mind that the boosters are WELDED to the barrel jackets. Without proper tools (which I am lacking), you have to -partially- destroy the sleeve by grinding/ filing/ cutting the weld off and removing the booster. Been there, done that for my own booster (thanks again mugatu) and it is not funny...besides of that I won´t have the time to do this anyway.
     
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  4. fezfox

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    I'll make this comment that based on my own recent purchase, 1500euros is definitely the correct ballpark for a booster alone.

    These things are hard to come by.

    I'd add, based on my own experience, that if a full vintage ANH/Obi-Wan saber were to ever to come on the market, you'd expect it to be around $10,000USD
     
  5. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    That is accurate, last complete I saw for sale was right around that price.

    I always thought the grenade was the hardest part to find, boy was I wrong

    I honestly don’t know the going rate for grenades? I’ve seen

    Male balance pipes (converted) 750
    Clamps 150-180
    Sink knobs 250-400
    Boosters 1500euros
    Grenades ??
    Calculator 250

    Are these prices accurate?

    Edited with better quotes from owners 10/19/18

    Balance pipe (male): 1000-1500
    Balance pipe (female): 1500+
    Clamps: 150-180
    Boosters: 1500 euros (1800 US dollars)
    Grenades: 2000 (good condition)
    Sink knob: 250-400
    Calculators: 250
    Resistors: cheap enough to not have to worry about


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  6. OdiWan72

    OdiWan72 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    From my experience, even the male BPs are sold for 1000-1500 usd these days.
    Decently conditioned grenades fetch up to 2000 easily
     
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  7. teecrooz

    teecrooz Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Danny’s plus Markus’ amounts are about right. There are always ranges, especially if you find it yourself on a non-auction site.
     
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  8. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I thought I saw good grenades in that rang as well, well didn’t actually see them but saw posts saying a good grenade is 2000 but I didn’t believe it

    Wow. So boosters going for 1500euros is a freak’n steal!!


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  9. teecrooz

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    Also forgot to put in my post that you had pricing for a male converted BP at $1,000- $1,500. Accurate female BPs are more.
     
  10. andyroo

    andyroo Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Grenades aren't that expensive over here. They seem to go for about 600 GBP and I see them fairly often. Just haven't got 600 quid at the minute unfortunately!
     
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  11. halliwax

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    Are they accurate profile in decent shape?


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  12. halliwax

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    Edited, added male and female


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  13. andyroo

    andyroo Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yeah, they're the correct ones. Saw a beautiful one go for £400 the other day. I was trying to bag that one myself but with being at work I couldn't keep my eye on the auction so got out bid.
     
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  14. teecrooz

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    The total price was a bit more. That was 400 pounds plus a buyers premium and shipping. It was a cleaned up dug up item with some small pitting condition issues. I wish I could have picked it up!
     
  15. OdiWan72

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    Always looking to upgrade mine with a 100% accurate one...would appreciate any help :cool
     
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  16. mugatu

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    I too wanted to grab it but I couldnt register my CC from the US. It was a very nice one.
     
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  17. Panaflex

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    So hard costs IF, and that’s a big if, you can source all the parts, are ballparked at $6,000 USD.
    I suppose the $10K USD figure accounts for the legwork: Antique stores, flea markets, calls to arms dealers, UK plumbers, and aviation graveyards- sleepless nights pouring over the Internet, the inevitable call to Rolls Royce and of course friendships made across the globe to make the dream real. Here’s hoping I don’t have to sell mine off.
     
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  18. eethan

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    last time I had prices in head, it was like 1000€ for a balance pipe or a booster and around 500 for a greande, I can't believe how even more expensive those items became! even the handwheel going for 400€ now is crazy. I'm so jalous of all you guys who have even some of the real parts :$
    And Markus, amazing that you are offering this run of boosters, I never imagined I would see a "run" of those, them being so rare. If someone could do it, It was certainly you though! :thumbsup
     
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  19. Edraven99

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    Heh... there was to many hoops to jump though for me *and* there wasn't any guarantee that they'd be able to ship to NA... so I let it go....
     
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  20. Sym-Cha

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    Could you or anyone who followed that same auction post a picture of said grenade, please?

    Chaïm
     
  21. Edraven99

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    Hales.jpg
     
  22. andyroo

    andyroo Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    This

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  23. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Looks rather small doesn’t it?


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  24. fezfox

    fezfox Active Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Its perfectly adequate, but if there was a rating system, I'd give it 4/5
     
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  25. andyroo

    andyroo Well-Known Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Yeah, not perfect by anyone's standards but pretty good. One of the better ones I've seen.
     
  26. NeoRutty

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    I like the stand!

    If I still had a replica around, I'd attach my rod parts and display...

    hm.
     
  27. Marv

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    The actual purchase price would have been a bit over £500. People forget when you deal with an auction house as Chris mentioned there is a buyers premium - this one was 27% for an on line bid. There were some nice WW2 pieces non SW related sold in the auction that day.
     
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  28. Marv

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    Keep your eyes open some nice ones show up from time to time. I think there were a lot of dealers looking at this one, the guy doing the auction said something about - bit bevvied can't think of the term - his commissions - being upset it had got to that price.
     
  29. russellsch

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    That display for the grenade is fantastic!
    I missed the auction. Otherwise I would've totally been a bidder :p
     
  30. Field Marshall

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    I would love to find a balance pipe for 1500!!!
     
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  31. Kalel76

    Kalel76 Active Member

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    Same...Still looking for the dang Balance Pipe. It's the last piece I need.
     
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  32. Field Marshall

    Field Marshall Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    I would give alot more than 1500 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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  33. GreyJedi279

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    Absolutely! It’s now my last piece


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  34. Bradberry00

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    My dream is slowly becoming a reality! Yesterday, a "candlestick" aka Hales grenade showed up at my door after a nail biting few days stuck "In Transit". I was hoping to strip the paint and blue it. However, after stripping, some filler showed itself in one area so it had to be painted it again; this time flat black which was then buffed and aged...it is passable for me for now, but I will keep my eyes open for a replacement/upgrade. Thanks everyone who has helped in the journey thus far!

    Here is the grenade in the original painted condition along with a few other bits collected:

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    And in it's repainted form:

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  35. Marv

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    That looks nice, shame you didn't have a second one, that one its colourful painting scheme would have made a nice parts piece to display.
     
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  36. Bradberry00

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    Are people using Roman's "transistor" washers, or is there another source/real part people are using?
     
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  37. SubLevel5

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    I machined my own.

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  38. Bradberry00

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    How much for a pair ;)

     
  39. Panaflex

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    Funny how vintage washers of the correct type have turned out to be a difficult find after everything else is said and done.
     
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  40. eethan

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    grenade is looking amazing, congrats :thumbsup
     
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  41. parfaitelumiere

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    A partially vintage parts lightsaber commissionned by a friend, the best price-accuracy and electronic compromise.

    -modified replica romans grenade
    -romans booster and emitter
    -rebelscum bubble
    -vintage transistor, real vintage pommel and clamp.
    -replica clamp cap, washers and blade plug from my own design.

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    I designed 3 different versions:
    -hot and cold earlier design, with hollow armitage shanks name , available on shapeways
    -cold design like picture, available on i-materialize.

    I also designed a complete pommel, retrofitting a vintage AS hanwheel and also fitting a real or romans booster, so it's entirely hollow, but printing price from chromed brass is quite expensive even it's a perfect replica.
    I was thinking about putting the front and back rings on shapeways, so it would help people to put real pommels on fx lightsaber version, making completely hollow vintage pommel, it would mean keeping original cubes and cap and using my front and back rings, keeping the "reg des" on it, of course, the detail is added.
     
  42. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Thank god therpf is back... I’ve missed this thread!
     
  43. thd9791

    thd9791 Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Honest to god, My Booster was 350. USD. My sink knob was over 100... calculator was 70... grenades have all been beneath 600... clamp was from a camera kit that was under 200 and the balance pipe is the last thing I need. (or a better grenade) the current prices shock me
     
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  44. mugatu

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    I’ve been thinking about this. There may be something to this, IF anyone runs across a complete parts kit in the US.

    Tom, you are now going to come across a BP for $8000.00USD!!!
     
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  45. BlandoCalrssian

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    Does a clamp and transistors get you in the club? ;) Mostly a Romans Mk 1, but I this is about as far as itll go, I dont think I can afford to go down this rabbit hole :lol:

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  46. russellsch

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    Ooohhh, you're already on The Rabbit Hole Ride my friend ;)
    Enjoy the ride. Looks good(y)
     
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  47. mugatu

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    What russellsch says is true: it is too late for you now. The rabbit hole swells and consumes.
     
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  48. mugatu

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    I am transplanting this into this full OB1 thread in order to help those of you who may be seeking but have not found the elusive correct Armitage Shanks handwheels:

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    RPF Member JamieCarter asked:

    - So I can tell when trawling eBay exactly what I'm looking for? Can you tell from the exterior? No AS logo?

    - I feel I just jizzed some money for nothing.

    - So avoid anything with the AS logo?

    It is possible to tell from the outside, besides the cap logo, if it is the absolutely correct type/era handwheel. In my real parts hunting adventures, the defining characteristics that tell me if it is the right handwheel (from the outside) are:


    A. The sharpness of the cube lines.

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    It can often be difficult to notice, particularly if the photos are not in focus, and/or are not relatively close up to the handwheels. The reality is when I have been hunting AS wheels, I have found about 70% of the time the photos are not close up and 90% of the time are not in focus as the people selling them usually are of the mindset that the handwheels are simply old and dirty used junk that they have just spent the last 20-30 years looking at every single time they went to use the restroom. While hopeful that some buyer will actually want to buy their gross, bacteria-laden, calcified “refuse farm” handwheels, there is also the reality that (other than this one rare case caused by Obi-Wan’s lightsaber) most people don't look forward to the idea of publicly displaying the results of what decades of their restroom usage does to handwheels in, magnified on the internet for all to see.

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    It is a sad fact for the hunter (us), but the longer you search you will see that you are probably more likely to find an in-focus photo of the Loch Ness Monster than you are an in-focus photo of the correct Armitage handwheels for sale on the internet.

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    On the rare occassion that you do find some crispy pics, but the top of the handwheel is still not visible, the Delta logo handwheel (which is the commonly found late-era/incorrect version) does not appear to have cube lines that are quite as sharp as the cube lines on the correct early-era handwheels.

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    B. There is no overall taper to the cubes of the correct era/logo handwheels. The Delta logo handwheels taper slightly toward one end of the cube ring (usually from the bottom of the cube ring to the top, although this can be the reverse depending on how the cube ring is inserted over the base cylinder portion of the handwheel), with the bottom being larger or flared out more than the diameter at the top. Again, once you have the two versions in your hands, it is obvious, but in a blurry photo, not so easy to detect.

    C. The upper shelf on the correct era handwheel is curved/rounded...

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    ...whereas incorrect handwheels have either only a very small abrupt curve at the very edge of the top portion OR there is essentially just a flat shelf.

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    The flat shelf type is generally found as having a black color indice ring instead of blue or red. This is the least correct version (in my mind) as the shelf is the most blatant difference making it the easiest to detect. INTERESTINGLY, I have found that the black indice ring version does however share an identical non-tapering cube ring with the desireable correct handwheel that we seek out but the Delta logo cube ring is not interchangeable. Thus, if you DO stumble upon the black indice ring version rather than the 100% correct version, it should still be considered a “win”.

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    As to whether you’ve thrown your money away or if you should avoid the Delta logo version altogether, only you can make that decision as it is part of the prop collector’s dilemma and part of the philosophy that only you can dictate. Is a slightly not correct yet real found part version of the pommel better than a “looks correct” replica of the real part? Even though it may look completely correct, isn’t it actually less correct since it is 100% replica and 0% real found part? Only you can answer that, for yourself. It is something many of us struggle with and go back and forth on for a long time.

    I’ve always felt that a Delta logo handwheel is better to have than a replica handwheel, IF one is going for a real found parts prop replica. At that same time, I know that ultimately, in the end, I will probably be bothered by the part not being absolutely 100% the correct real part, and it will bother me to the point that given the opportunity I will “need” to upgrade to the correct piece. Luckily, not everyone feels this way. It is probably more sane to not be this way.

    Just remember, it’s easy to be dissatisfied with a piece once you have it in hand, but there are always ten more people without that incorrect-but-closer-than-anything-else piece that would want to have it.

    Good luck hunting.
     
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  49. halliwax

    halliwax Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    This needs to be a sticky! Beautiful write up andy!
     
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  50. russellsch

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    I completely agree with Halliwax. Fantastic write up, with great photos! (y)
     
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