That's interesting I had the same thought. He would make an excellent teacher.
The Ultimate Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi Real Vintage Parts Lightsaber Group
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Given the scarcity and prices of the parts these days, I'm surprised anyone would want to venture down this path. Sometimes I look at my Obi, knowing what these parts are worth to the right person and I start thinking what else I could do with that money.
onderon
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I feel sadness if I think of that I cannot finish my hilt. And I blame myself I did not start this earlier. All I need is a booster and a BP for mine (and a bubble strip), but even if I could afford a booster one day, I don’t think I will ever spend $8000-$10000 on a BP. Its just not worth it.
Or does it? It would feel like a childhood dream come true. I never wanted a Graflex I always wanted Obi-Wan’s and I love my Roman’s hilt, it is perfect. But it feels bad to give up
If I could finish it one day I don’t think I would ever sell it. Only if I really have to. Maybe not even then
Or does it? It would feel like a childhood dream come true. I never wanted a Graflex I always wanted Obi-Wan’s and I love my Roman’s hilt, it is perfect. But it feels bad to give up
If I could finish it one day I don’t think I would ever sell it. Only if I really have to. Maybe not even then
Obi1Kenobi
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Great saber and nice stand too. Did you make the stand or did you buy it? If you bought it, do you have a link?
I got the stand from a seller on Etsy. I just asked him to leave off the plaque portion.
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The Mechanismo pic clearly shows a screw 180° from that point on the clamp. There are higher resolution versions of the reference pictures, but not publicly available. Master Replicas had access to those pictures in color I’ve been told. That is why their replica had brass screws, and it was taken as a fact at the time It was produced. I’m always up for a debate about the details, it sometimes shakes loose better reference pics, or cropped sections at least.
From page 67 posted by Sym-Cha
MR ANH Weathered from Galaxie-Starwars.com
MR ANH weathered from Statueforum.com
There is also another wire (cotter pin) 180° from the easily seen one in the double hole on the clamp, you can just see it at the bottom of the Mechanismo pic.
From page 67 posted by Sym-Cha
MR ANH Weathered from Galaxie-Starwars.com
MR ANH weathered from Statueforum.com
There is also another wire (cotter pin) 180° from the easily seen one in the double hole on the clamp, you can just see it at the bottom of the Mechanismo pic.
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Well here's my debate. This looks exactly like a 1/72" flat head Torx screw to me. Actually from this image I'm convinced it is. I have no idea what the screw under the clamp would be, perhaps it's a brass slotted screw, but why would they use two different screws? And why brass at all when they tried to conceal the grafex logo on the clamp with aluminum foil tape just to have brass screws stick out like a sore thumb?
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If you look at the screw I posted it doens't have much depth either. On a 1/72" screw it would be very shallow. The screw I posted is a much larger screw. It looks way more convincing then a brass slotted screw on that side, the underneath may very well be. I have no way of telling.
I don’t have any evidence to refute your interpretation of the screw, I’m just not as certain as you seem to be.
Perhaps someone else will chime in with an opinion.
onderon
Sr Member
Torx screws were introduced in 1967 by an american company named Textron. My guess is that the first versions were not countersunk types. I couldn’t find any information about when countersunk torx screws appeared although I didn’t dig deep.
Lucas started to shoot New Hope in 1976, which means the preping started minimum a year before (according to wookipedia in 1974 but thats the time when Lucas finished the drafts).
Question is:
Is it possible that tiny size countersunk torx screws were so widespread in about 7-8 years that the freshly started (1975) ILM prop makers used it for a part that was completely made of old junks?
Lucas started to shoot New Hope in 1976, which means the preping started minimum a year before (according to wookipedia in 1974 but thats the time when Lucas finished the drafts).
Question is:
Is it possible that tiny size countersunk torx screws were so widespread in about 7-8 years that the freshly started (1975) ILM prop makers used it for a part that was completely made of old junks?
Mouse Vader
Sr Member
My initial responce would be that the graflex logo would stand some chance of being spotted by the watching audience on the wide screen, in the small amount of time that would be available for them to look at it while the film was running. Chances of anyone spotting a small screw (& giving a damn) almost nil.
Ya true, but I really would love someone out there to show me why people are using brass screws when the photo on the one side looks pretty convincing to being a Torx.
onderon
Sr Member
My guess because we are talking about 1975. If you compare it closely you see that because torx has 6 points the points are closer to eachother compared to the photo of the hilt. That screw is more likely a phillips screw if we agree it has points.
Obi1Kenobi
Active Member
Thanks so much for this whole post, scarf man. I appreciate tiny details like this.
If it is true that higher resolution photos exist - and possibly even in color - I wonder why Lucasfilm has not allowed them to be published yet. Do they want to prevent people like us from making the most accurate replica props possible? Do they think no one would be interested in seeing such photos? It boggles my mind that all we‘ve had for decades are three blurry black and white post-production photos of this highly-coveted prop that supposedly no longer physically exists, yet supposedly better versions of these photos exist in the archives and we are not allowed to see them. Why?
It's also important to remember that all the photos of the saber with the wires and screws were taken were taken after filming, and the wires and screws to not seem to appear to be on the lightsaber in the film.
Most people believe the addition of the wires and screws were a repair made after filming finished, possibly because we see the Hero saber dropped on Kenobi's robe at the end of the duel on the DS and it's possible it was dropped multiple times (for multiple takes) and may have broken.
While there is no source to verify, many believe the saber was repaired for possible re-shoots but not needed, photographed, and then the prop disappeared and/or was returned in whole or in parts to Bapty (grenade, booster).
My thought process is: we see and can verify one slotted flat-head screw pretty clearly, and most likely both screws were added at the same time, so if one screw is a slotted flat-head screw then the other one is most likely also a slotted flat-head screw for me until I see undeniable proof otherwise (not a grainy/blurry photo).
The screws are the reason the Kenobi saber is 'bent' in the Chronicle photos. The top section above the clamp (grenade/balance pipe) is being held on the saber via the screws to the clamp. If you drill the holes in the correct position in the clamp, line up the grenade, mark the clamp hole locations, drill and tap holes in the bottom grenade frag that sits inside the clamp, put the grenade in the clamp with no inner rod going from top-to-bottom and literally hold the top of the saber to the clamp using only those screws your lightsaber will 'bend' exactly like it does in the Chronicle photos.
I replicated this on kurtyboy's Kenobi's lightsaber using an off-set mounting mechanism within the clamp, his is the only version that I remember seeing that has the correct Chronicle's 'bend'.
Most people believe the addition of the wires and screws were a repair made after filming finished, possibly because we see the Hero saber dropped on Kenobi's robe at the end of the duel on the DS and it's possible it was dropped multiple times (for multiple takes) and may have broken.
While there is no source to verify, many believe the saber was repaired for possible re-shoots but not needed, photographed, and then the prop disappeared and/or was returned in whole or in parts to Bapty (grenade, booster).
My thought process is: we see and can verify one slotted flat-head screw pretty clearly, and most likely both screws were added at the same time, so if one screw is a slotted flat-head screw then the other one is most likely also a slotted flat-head screw for me until I see undeniable proof otherwise (not a grainy/blurry photo).
The screws are the reason the Kenobi saber is 'bent' in the Chronicle photos. The top section above the clamp (grenade/balance pipe) is being held on the saber via the screws to the clamp. If you drill the holes in the correct position in the clamp, line up the grenade, mark the clamp hole locations, drill and tap holes in the bottom grenade frag that sits inside the clamp, put the grenade in the clamp with no inner rod going from top-to-bottom and literally hold the top of the saber to the clamp using only those screws your lightsaber will 'bend' exactly like it does in the Chronicle photos.
I replicated this on kurtyboy's Kenobi's lightsaber using an off-set mounting mechanism within the clamp, his is the only version that I remember seeing that has the correct Chronicle's 'bend'.
The Obi-Wan saber wasn't made by ILM, it was made by a crew in the UK.
onderon
Sr Member
Even better, more likely would no one use torx screws in the UK in 1975 to put together some junk.
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