I think Ahsoka is taking her near death experience as well as knowledge of Vader/Anakin very seriously. She’s displaced in time, she can’t intervene too heavily in the world. She walked away from the Jedi once before because she believed their methodology was flawed. That’s enough to me for it to make sense
Fully with you on the Darksaber stuff, pretty annoying. The way a lot of the Mandalorian history was treated bugged me overall. I don’t care how deep into a cult Din is he should know about the Jedi, what a lightsaber is. That should arguably be a HUGE part of their beliefs and teachings.
I thought it was a fitting send-off for a character who got the shaft a few years ago. The only problem is, what happened to Grogu by the time of the events of the still-canon sequels?
Zpoiler warning, but seroiusly...WHO on this thread has not seem it yet......
FANtasticly SERVICEd ! Tears and all. I was able to watch it without any advance warning, and experienced all I was wanting when Disney first got involved...
I did pretend the sequels did not exist once the X wing showed up, cause it was foreshadowing at its best, and Lukes enterance to the new cannon... selfishly, I wanted Grogu to stay with Din, but in the Jedi way, they both gave up something they loved.
It also tugged on those E.T. /Elliott heartstrings we elder members have.
These days I try to watch these things through Normal Peoples eyes....Of course WE are going to see it with many eyes, cause we know so much about how it was made, etc.... After all, we who sat in 1977 movie seats have no more claim to star wars than new fans on the internet... Enjoy the fact we still get new content... some good, most emmmmmm......
PS. Screen Actors Guild Insurance is reportedly Awesome, and IRRC ... the level of coverage has something to do with amount of time worked, how recently you worked, and how much you earned......
So if you are getting old and have not worked a blockbuster in years.....jump into a SW project, and you now have access to the highest level of care. Look back on all the recent fan service cameos.....a lot of people are readjusting their insurance coverage....
This Episode was the best of season 2.The CGI face was not perfect but good enough for a TV-Show.
And the after credit scene...haha...it had something from Conan the barbarian with the music...
But why are the Gamorrean guards so thin?They should be a lot more fat!
I'll insert what I was going to write earlier here;
"In 1983, as the "Return of the Jedi" was coming to a close, I was a 8 year-old clutching my Mom's (she read "Star Wars" as a novel in 1976 ok....) hand as the audience fell silent and everyone was thinking the same thing, "Is what we think is going to happen, actually going to happen? (Vader saving Luke)." With tears in my eyes, something we thought we'd never see, happened. Tonight, I watched and had that same feeling again. Not to worry, Mom is alive and well, and tonight I'll be watching this episode with her and Dad. I only wish my dear late little brother, who was there in '83, was here now as well. This was a beautiful few moments."
Whether the technical execution of Luke was flawed is irrelevant to me, ultimately. What matters to me is the story of the mythological hero of my childhood felt right, as opposed to what he was in the DT. I honestly don't know if this is what will ultimately lead to the DT, but it feels like a new path being forged. As an aside, my personal feeling is that George is definitely involved to some degree, this time around. After considering Filoni conveying a message from George in the "Gallery" episode, this feels more in line on delivering that message to audiences.
I'm right there with you! I can't unsee it either!
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This show was a struggle for me to get through if I'm being totally frank. There were a lot of things from the onset that I didn't like and I watched more out of obligation to friends than genuine interest because to my coworkers (and most acquaintances) I'm a "Star Wars guy." Which bothers me to have that reputation hanging over my head because people just assume I love everything about it or that's all that interests me. I like lots of things but there is this perception people seem to have where they know one thing about me and then it becomes my whole identity to them. I know they mean well and it's not intentional but I just hate being pegged as a hater because I only love the OT. I really tried with this show and it had some genuinely great moments, especially the second to last episode.
I've just held out hope for so long that the potential for Star Wars could be realized in that they would bring the story forward, but all they want to do is keep bringing up that past. They did it with the PT, the ST, the stand alones, and now The Mandalorian. This show more than any other had the most going for it right out of the gate because it was going to explore conflicts that had nothing to do with the Rebels and Imperials, Jedi or Sith, etc. Sure they might be elements in the story but they wouldn't be given the focus, but lo and behold I was let down, yet again.
I'm glad fans get enjoyment out of more of the same and I would never fault anyone for wanting more. I just can't do it anymore.
I don't want the OT to change and I don't need more of something just because I enjoy it, but if they are going to keep making it, I just wanted the new material to be genuinely new. But it's clear that will never happen. I'll just have to really focus my efforts on writing my own novel and leave this franchise behind as a story. Finish my Star Wars props and costumes and enjoy them as I watch the OT on loop and play like I did when I was a kid.
As Luke dueling Vader.. running down the Death Star halls with Han and Leia blasting stormtroopers, and blowing it up later in my X-Wing as John Williams score swells! I love Luke, he's my favorite character, but in my heart his story ended in 1983. I don't want to see him any other way.
Seeing him cut through Dark Troopers like butter was pretty sweet.
Who knows? Maybe like ‘jeans guy’ getting edited out after the show aired maybe they’ll go back and work on the face enhancement a little if there is enough social media buzz about it not being up to par.
Seeing him cut through Dark Troopers like butter was pretty sweet.
Who knows? Maybe like ‘jeans guy’ getting edited out after the show aired maybe they’ll go back and work on the face enhancement a little if there is enough social media buzz about it not being up to par.
The “Will of The Force” (be sure to wave your hand from left to right, in front of your face, with two fingers pointed upwards as you speak these words, aloud) covers all plot holes and any indications of possible bad writing.
I'm caught between feelings here. I really hoped they wouldn't do that, but they went there, though I did enjoy seeing it, I can't help also feeling a lot of disappointment on the end too. Though I did feel the ending to be poignant but not overdone for me.
I hope season 3 is more of the same of the previous episode rather than this finale and other episodes that I really found made my attention drift from caring about the characters. Though I have a bigger appreciation of Boba now.
WELCOME BACK HALLIWAX!!!! So good to see you back man!
Ok so I'm typing this as I watch. So far I don't really care about what's happening. I know Bo Katan, Fett, and the other Mandalorian have history but I never cared much about the lore they were referencing and that fight was so corny. Fett works best when he is restrained. For all of the things that I thought were cool about him in his return episode, this comes across as cheap fan service even moreso than before. I really don't like Bo Katan. A huge part of it is this insistence on having the character never use conjunctions in their sentences. I see this kind of thing all the time in so much of Star Wars and other movies in the speculative fiction genre and it drives me crazy. It's supposed to generate a sense of gravitas to whatever dialog is being said but it just comes off as amateur writing to me. Even in real life when people talk like that I find it distracting. It just doesn't sound natural. Just like I have gripes about the insistence on having important dialog being delivered in an English accent. It's become a pet peeve of mine. lol
The Imperial mocking Cara was cool I guess and does speak to the ideological conflict between the two factions though I knew the second he said it he would get shot in the face. It's a trope that is all too familiar where the protagonist is goaded into killing the villain in a fit of rage and usually in a gruesome manner. Not bad per se but super predictable.
Are Dark Troopers supposed to be scary? I know they're a reference to something but they just come across as a type of super battle droid to me. I'm getting Terminator vibes. If they don't float away too far they could still be a threat because they can survive the vacuum of space. (Turns out I was right.)
The duel between Gideon and Mando is happening and I feel like I'm watching Clone Wars clips. I'm not invested in any of this.
Grogu is cute. That's been consistent from the beginning.
So the Darksaber and Bo Katan's story is a thing now. I know Gideon is supposed to be menacing and conniving but the whole lore about how she has to win it in battle in order to reclaim her throne doesn't interest me. So what? Are they going to have to duke it out at some point? I mean who cares? I didn't watch Clone Wars for this very reason. This lore doesn't interest me at all. Just like Game of Thrones didn't interest me. I didn't care who ended up on the throne because I wasn't invested in the characters or the stakes. Ughhhhh......
Digital Luke looks off and the voice isn't Mark Hamill. I know a lot of fans are going to go gaga for this but I'm not feeling it. So he's doing things we've seen Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan do to battle droids in TPM. Big deal. I'm not impressed. And what is it with Jedi not wearing flight suits? Even in Return of the Jedi Luke wore a flight suit when he was flying. That drove me nuts with the prequels. I get that it was more dramatic to see him in his ROTJ Jedi garb but it would have been more impactful to see him take off the helmet to see that it was Luke.
The moment where Din takes off his helmet and finally sees Grogu face to face is very sweet. I just can't help but feel like Din passing him to Luke feels sort of creepy because Luke looks so off.
I've said it before that no amount of good content will ever make up for or "redeem" bad content. The Mandalorian might be good, but having Luke show up doesn't change the fact that he ended up a loser in the Sequel Trilogy. I think this might be the breaking point for me.
For some fans they might be willing to overlook the Sequels because of this but I'm not sure if I can when I try and take the entire story into account.
That coda was ridiculous! So were are back to Tatooinne AGAIN! How many times does this planet need to show up???? And Bib Fortuna somehow survived being blown up in the sail barge? For ***** sake. Death is not a thing apparently. He said, McClunky..... Gammoreans are now anorexic and Boba takes the throne. Whoopty **** -ing do. Boba Fett fan film. That's all that was. I've seen amateurs doing this for years. It's not impressive. None of these content creators can show any restraint can they????
So the Mandalorian is now going to be a series where we see different short seasons of Mandalorian characters? The Book of Boba Fett? What the **** did I just watch???? Is Din's story now over? Is this a series of Anthology stories about Mandalorians?
This is exactly why I didn't want to watch this show in the first place. I purposely stayed away because of things like this. This entire season was just one cameo after another. I don't know if I'm going to bother watching any more. This should make for some spirited conversations at work.
The strength of this show was that it was trying to actually do something different and explore characters and scenarios outside of what we knew, but apparently the set dressing is all that matters to these content creators. I love Jon Favreau and I have come to respect Dave Filoni more than I have in the past, but this is EXACTLY why I have said that it's foolish to say these guys "saved" Star Wars.
I'm ******* pissed that I wasted my time with this crap. I was willing to overlook things and the second to last episode was literally some of the best Star Wars content I've seen in a long time (which is really sad considering how much content has come out since 1999) , but man did this episode just throw all of that in the trash....
I'm caught between feelings here. I really hoped they wouldn't do that, but they went there, though I did enjoy seeing it, I can't help also feeling a lot of disappointment on the end too. Though I did feel the ending to be poignant but not overdone for me.
I hope season 3 is more of the same of the previous episode rather than this finale and other episodes that I really found made my attention drift from caring about the characters. Though I have a bigger appreciation of Boba now.
I agree, I was hoping for something different, but in the end this was the only outcome that ensured Grogu was safe, Mando couldnt live on the run forever. And it sticks with the "last of the Jedi will you be" but not introducing someone else out there.
I agree, I was hoping for something different, but in the end this was the only outcome that ensured Grogu was safe, Mando couldnt live on the run forever. And it sticks with the "last of the Jedi will you be" but not introducing someone else out there.
Kanan was still out there. Ezra is out there. Ahsoka claims she isn't a jedi, but she still technically is. And may I point out...probably the most powerful one there is, even more so than Luke. If Fallen Order is canon, Cal is still out there.
And Grogu.
Yoda also felt "another" as in Leia..so what I'm saying is...SW has always been full of plot holes.
Kanan was still out there. Ezra is out there. Ahsoka claims she isn't a jedi, but she still technically is. And may I point out...probably the most powerful one there is, even more so than Luke. If Fallen Order is canon, Cal is still out there.
And Grogu.
Yoda also felt "another" as in Leia..so what I'm saying is...SW has always been full of plot holes.
Snowstorm hit the day before and knocked out internet. Dank Farac.
Finally watched it and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Yes I proudly cried. R2 threw it over the top for me because these are the characters I grew up with and love so much. I wanted Grogu to stay with Din. Mostly because of the horror that the sequels created. What they did is lead me to, well if Grogu was not in the sequels then that ******* Ben must have off him with the other students. I don't believe that though because for me and I comfortably say so....the disney sequels do not count, never took place in the Real Star Wars Universe.....
Look at all the good we could have had disney sequel people.....
Anyhow one more thing I wanted was for Luke to break a smile at some point. In Luke's reassuring smile kind of way.
The Ahsoka thing, I chalk up to her being trained by the Old Jedi Order and it's obsession with Attachment. Even if she and Filoni harp on and focus on how she is no longer technically a Jedi anyway, she was still trained and raised by them until she was a teenager. Hard to shake that kind of thing. Plus she has first hand knowledge of Anakin's Fall and how it was tied into his relationship with Padme, which it is hinted strongly that she knew about. Luke was not trained with any focus on avoiding Attachment, in fact, attachment is his whole thing. Luke's attachment to his Friends and his Father motivates him constantly, usually to do dumb, stupid, short sighted things that always manage to work out because he's "The Hero," and has Plot Armor. As such, he sees nothing wrong with attachment, and will potentially use it as a guiding or teaching tool for Grogu. Ahsoka is paralyzed by her dogmatic upbringing and her remorse over what happened to her mentor, Anakin because of attachment.
As for the Dark Saber, it bugged me at first because, yes in Rebels, Sabine just hands it to Bo-Katan and says Bo deserves it and is the leader Mandalore needs. However, a friend of mine pointed out that in the wake of that, the Empire still apparently managed to conquer Mandalore and Devastate it heavily. The show leaves it ambiguous how bad off The Empire left Mandalore, Bo thinks its possible to return and restart thier lives there, but some like Mayfeld and Boba think its uninhabitable or Glassed. Either way, after getting the Dark Saber from Sabine, Bo-Katan lost. Perhaps there is dissension among the Mandalorian Diaspora about Bo because she lost and was simply gifted the Dark Saber. Perhaps she, and they, feel that to make up for her failure to stop The Empire she must actually win back the Dark Saber to be able to rule again. Until she has actually proven herself and won it back through combat, she and others feel she is unworthy and dishonored.
