Sucker Punch SPOILERS!

[Edwardowan]

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i wasnt pleased with this movie at all. I enjoyed 300 and like Watchmen. It seems as though Snyder keep using the same type of super slow motion then fast frame action(is this all he knows?). It didnt really work for me in this film.

I agree.. the slow mo works if you use it once or twice on a very important plot point but it was overused and got annoying... this really should have been in 3D. I read an interview where he had trouble choosing what color panties.. white or black... he thought white was too noticeable and sexy and this wasn't what it was supposed to be about... um, I went wanting to see Hot chicks kick ass! of course that is what it was supposed to be about!!! :lol I think he made all the wrong decisions for this film. Even the lead actress was a poor choice... oooh, look at my full lips.. closeup of my FulL LiPs! :wacko

 

[Risu]

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Every time I saw her I thought Kristen Bell would have been a much better choice.

The bullet time/super slo-mo in this movie really didn't work at all. All of the action sequences were slow and boring as a result. Normally if I become self-aware during an awesome action scene I notice that I'm smiling or leaning forward or in some other state of rapt attention, but in this movie I just realized I was leaning back, straight-faced and a little bored. I didn't go into the movie expecting anything but action, and it didn't deliver that.

 

[nickytea]

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There's a lot going on, here, and I'm guessing nickytea will be along any moment to set you all straight. :lol

he likes to defend bad movies....lost all respect when he defended Alice in Wonderland

Oh my, people are talking about me! I'd better see this thing, STAT. :lol

(And it's okay, EvilRocketeer, I still love you and know that one day you won't loose respect for people for defending things you don't like. We like what we like, brother, and hopefully have good reasons for it.)

 

[Birdie]

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I haven't seen this much hate for a movie on the RPF since Ulraviolet :lol

Sureley this movie isn't up to that level of suck? :confused

 

[JediG60racer]

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My thoughts:

- the intro 15 minutes were flawless storytelling.

- the storyteller didn't know what story he wanted to tell after that. The overarching intro theme of unknown angels got dropped in favor of the secular humanist perspective of "you are your own god" at the end. I felt gypped by that, as the initial premise had excellent promise within the story arches.

- I felt like the battle scenes were born out of a survey of 12 year old Comic-Con attendees. "What would you have in your ultimate battleground?" ORKS! B-24 Liberators! Dragons! Gatling guns! Samurai!! Chicks in leather with swords and machine guns! Mecha! Nazis! Zombies! Steampunk! ALL AT ONCE!!

Not that I minded that. In fact I quite enjoyed it.

- The soundtrack was superb. I enjoyed the slightly enhanced original song versions (like Bjork's Army of Me with some added guitars) as well as the cover songs. Emily Browning has a delightful voice and did a good job with them.

Overall I predict that Suckerpunch will be the most costumed movie at Comic-Con by girls this summer.

Oh yeah... loved Rocket and didn't care at all about the other girls. The wrong girl was the focus, in my book. Though I did like Sweet Pea's hooded sleeveless cloak.

 

[Darkturbo04]

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I rename thee "Suck a Bunch".

Well said. I feel like a "sucker" for giving two hours of my life to sit through that.

Eye candy . . . that's all it was. The "best" acting had to have been from Jena Malone and Abbie Cornish.

 

[Larry Young]

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I haven't seen this much hate for a movie on the RPF since Ulraviolet :lol

Sureley this movie isn't up to that level of suck? :confused

It's not. There's a certain kind of poster on the Internet that takes "Huh; that just wasn't for me, because I didn't get that at all" and turns it up to eleven into THAT FILMMAKER HAS PERSONALLY INSULTED ME.

Just because an individual believes a particular piece of entertainment was crappy doesn't mean it doesn't deliver to somebody else. Folks just have different tastes, and I think Snyder should be lauded for trying to do an indictment of geek culture by using its trappings to put forward the point. No kidding nerds don't like it.

 

[Jeyl]

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You know, it's sad when you build up a film that features the five little ladies that could, and have them go out in the most wimpy way possible. There is a point in this movie where

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in the span of five minutes three of them die. While Rocket goes out with at least some form of dignity, the other two girls go out crying and sulking to their evil dictator.

I don't know what's going to happen, but all I can say is that this film did the female leading role element no favors at all.

 

[E-Wan]

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I really, really wanted to like this movie, but I think the main issue is that it's just not that exciting. There's dragons and robots and girls kicking ass in short skirts, but somehow it's just dull.

Once you dig deeper and look into the different layers of the movie, even they come off as half baked. Snyder's stated intent of forcing the audience to face their own objectification of women just leaves you feeling bad for ever wanting to see the film in the first place. He's as much critiquing his own movies as he is our desire to see them.

So where does that leave us? Lesson learned, will Snyder's Superman movie be a thoughtful character piece with absolutely no slo-mo fight scenes or provocatively dressed girls? Or will it be a sexy, special-effects extravaganza that we the audience, having been chided for enjoying that style of movie-making, skip it entirely? I suspect neither and Sucker Punch has failed.

 

[Larry Young]

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You know, it's sad when you build up a film that features the five little ladies that could, and have them go out in the most wimpy way possible.

This is the first misconception I hear when folks are talking to me about this movie. They aren't "five little ladies that could;" they're committed inmates in a mental institution in the 60s, a bleak time and place for anyone, male or female.

Speaking about this movie in terms of gender is like blaming men for what happens in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. It's not men or women that are oppressed or oppressor; it's human beings who are good or evil.

This film sure has everyone bringing their own baggage out.

 

[Larry Young]

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He's as much critiquing his own movies as he is our desire to see them.

Me, I think that's awesome. "I'll give you what you think you want, but I can't promise you'll like it." Film folks are going to be talking about this one... the execution, the marketing, and the initial reception for a long time.

 

[E-Wan]

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Me, I think that's awesome. "I'll give you what you think you want, but I can't promise you'll like it." Film folks are going to be talking about this one... the execution, the marketing, and the initial reception for a long time.

I agree to a certain extent, I just don't think he's going to learn anything from his own critique, and that to me makes it unsuccessful.

 

[Larry Young]

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I agree to a certain extent, I just don't think he's going to learn anything from his own critique, and that to me makes it unsuccessful.

Yeah? All the press I'm reading for SUCKER PUNCH has him talking a bit about Superman and emphasizing that they're concentrating on grounding him in the "real" world; making him relevant to today's Twitteriffic/consumption-based audience. I read a thing on Blastr that quoted him as saying it's going to be more like his stuff in whatever Zombie of the Dead movie he did and less stylized.

As to learning a lesson or not, who can say? Certainly not me, as I think Michael Bay is a genius.

 

[E-Wan]

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I'm a fan of his movies and have a higher tolerance than most for his style, but I will be very surprised if he does an about-face and reinvents himself having told-off the audience for enjoying his earlier movies.

Michael Bay makes a lot of money doing what he's doing and is therefore much smarter than me.

 

[Birdie]

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I read a thing on Blastr that quoted him as saying it's going to be more like his stuff in whatever Zombie of the Dead movie he did

You mean that one that was his best movie

Personally, I don't think I could be more bored at the prospect of another Superman movie. I hope he puts super ramping slo-mo killer Ninja Nazi Lezza - Bots of the apocalypse in it.

 

[Bizarro Lois]

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"Army of Me"(the song they play the first time Baby Doll dances) wasn't a cover, was it? It sounded like the original.

I liked it more than I thought I would. I can't really imagine the movie going on longer. I can see what they mean about cutting back on some character development, but by the time we got to the futuristic train sequence, I'd had enough. I think they should have cut out one of the sequences or had fewer "quest items." I can't explain more thoroughly than that without spoilers.

Have any women chimed in on this yet? What is their point of view on the film? The way I see it, it was marketed as a guy film and failed but I think in the end what we got was a chick flick! :lol

See my response above. Maybe because I don't watch a lot of movies that can be considered "chick flicks," but I don't really understand what made Suckerpunch one.

And that is a woman's point of view. And I wanted to like it. I really, really, really wanted to really, really like it.

You made a lot of good points, especially about Baby Doll's dancing just bringing everything to a halt. That was a big "huh" for me. And we never even saw her dancing!

 

[Larry Young]

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And we never even saw her dancing!

It's Scheherazade!

 

[Jet Beetle]

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It's Scheherazade!

In that case - off with her head.

Snyder comes from a music video background and his limits are exposed when he needs to tell a story - Watchmen was all laid out and he still messed it up (I remember all of the posts concerning the "new" ending he came up with. But even with specifics aside - his major problem, and this goes for an entire slew of Michael Bay wanna be directors, is that his signature is larger than the canvas. He's so busy "visualizing" everything else becomes secondary.

There's a great series of interview sessions with some of Holywood's great directors as listed in the late 80's and early 90's - i have it on VHS and I don't believe it's ever been re-released on dvd format, but it amazed me just how much Richard Donner and Robert Zemeckis have in common when it comes to how they approach and capture a film. Both feel the audience should never be aware of the camera or even the effects - the POV is probable - meaning the camera is in a spot that a person could be watching the events unfold. Snyder and many others , by way of CGI, shoot from ghost plane (meaning anywhere and everywhere) - even this small rule, I believe, keeps one "grounded" in a movie, breaking it puts you right back in your seat. I do not see Snyder resisting the use of a technique he's used time and again in his other films. i can't see him "grounding" anything -- especially Superman

 

[Larry Young]

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Snyder comes from a music video background...

I always find this one interesting. What do you mean when you bring this up? A music video background precludes being able to make a good film? Predisposes a certain camera movement? One can't rise above one's formative years? Something I haven't guessed?

I mean, I'd have hated folks to have responded to my first graphic novel with "Well, his last real job was cutting granite. What's a guy who cuts big rocks into little rocks know about funny books?"

 

[Utinni]

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here's a question... WHY did the girls attack and kill the knights that were fighting the orcs? Towards the end of that scene Sweet Pea and Rocket kill at least 2 of the knights before Baby Doll kills the dragon. And why didn't sweet pea use her friggen sword???

The movie seemed to me that it was edited down by a bunch of monkeys.

- Jeff