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I KNEW IT!
Thanks for clarifying this. No mention of 3 dead girls . . . hmmmm.
I KNEW IT!
Thanks for clarifying this. No mention of 3 dead girls . . . hmmmm.
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Birdie
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Just projecting for the hell of it - maybe Rocket is a facet (or given the circumstances) an alternate of Sweet Pea's personality. Rocket is the rebel who hates her parents, Baby enables Sweet Pea (against much protest) to let that go, symbolised by Rocket sacrificing herself, and go home to make peace with her family.
Or maybe Syder was making it up as he went along :lol
Just projecting for the hell of it - maybe Rocket is a facet (or given the circumstances) an alternate of Sweet Pea's personality. Rocket is the rebel who hates her parents, Baby enables Sweet Pea (against much protest) to let that go, symbolised by Rocket sacrificing herself, and go home to make peace with her family.
Or maybe Syder was making it up as he went along :lol
Eveningarwen
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Yep. They show sweet pea walking up to her house and there was a clothes line with laundry on it and etc.....one of those kind of scenes.
Lol indeed.
Yep. They show sweet pea walking up to her house and there was a clothes line with laundry on it and etc.....one of those kind of scenes.
Lol indeed.
ModernDayMarc
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Eveningarwen
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No I haven't seen it again since the preview. I probably wont until the dvd comes out. Baby doll leaves the asylum and goes to a bus station and she leaves on the bus. Also Madam Gorski was the one who narrated the beginning of the film.
No I haven't seen it again since the preview. I probably wont until the dvd comes out. Baby doll leaves the asylum and goes to a bus station and she leaves on the bus. Also Madam Gorski was the one who narrated the beginning of the film.
ModernDayMarc
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Wow, SO different from the official theatre release.
Wish I would have been at the one you saw =/
Stupid midwest...
Wow, SO different from the official theatre release.
Wish I would have been at the one you saw =/
Stupid midwest...
Carson Dyle
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"Original?"
If not for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Matrix, and The Singing Detective I might agree with you.
As it stands, SuckerPunch is one of the most shamelessly derivative fantasy films I've seen in a long time. I mean, it's one thing to riff on the same themes, styles, and design elements found in other stories, but it's quite another to usurp the R.P. MacMurphy/ Big Chief dynamic from Cuckoo's Nest beat for structural beat.
Structural pillaging aside, I did find SuckerPunch kinda fun to watch in a I-really-feel-like-seeing-an-action-movie-and-there's-nothing-else-playing sort of way.
Whatever else one may say about Snyder, he has a talent for conveying visual exposition in a sleek, efficient, graphically compelling way (which may be why the first 15 minutes of Watchmen and SuckerPunch are the best things about those movies).
I just wish Snyder could manage to bring the same energy and inventiveness to the Production phase of his films that he brings to Pre and Post-Production. The result might be something more like an actual film, and less like an overproduced pre-viz animatic.
"Original?"
If not for One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, The Matrix, and The Singing Detective I might agree with you.
As it stands, SuckerPunch is one of the most shamelessly derivative fantasy films I've seen in a long time. I mean, it's one thing to riff on the same themes, styles, and design elements found in other stories, but it's quite another to usurp the R.P. MacMurphy/ Big Chief dynamic from Cuckoo's Nest beat for structural beat.
Structural pillaging aside, I did find SuckerPunch kinda fun to watch in a I-really-feel-like-seeing-an-action-movie-and-there's-nothing-else-playing sort of way.
Whatever else one may say about Snyder, he has a talent for conveying visual exposition in a sleek, efficient, graphically compelling way (which may be why the first 15 minutes of Watchmen and SuckerPunch are the best things about those movies).
I just wish Snyder could manage to bring the same energy and inventiveness to the Production phase of his films that he brings to Pre and Post-Production. The result might be something more like an actual film, and less like an overproduced pre-viz animatic.
wuher da brewer
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I saw John Carpenter's new one, The Ward, the other day. The similarities, attractive girls in a period psych ward, had me drawing comparisons. Carpenter's plays more like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest mixed with The Ring though. The audience seemed to love the Carpenter one after it was over. I guess that was the main difference.
I saw John Carpenter's new one, The Ward, the other day. The similarities, attractive girls in a period psych ward, had me drawing comparisons. Carpenter's plays more like One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest mixed with The Ring though. The audience seemed to love the Carpenter one after it was over. I guess that was the main difference.
Wolfie
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Some of the CGI annoyed me. The samurai scene mostly. It just seemed crappy.
The story and action made me think it was like some of those live action remakes of Japanese Anime. And when I came out of the theatre I talked to my husband about exactly what someone else posted a page or so back. That everything in her head was fights with her inner demons. Projected onto those people she saw around her based on her own insanity/experiences/abuse. All happening in her head during the lobotomy. And that the escape was still in her head.
I think it could have been executed a little better than it was.
And someone else mentioned they could tell a guy wrote it because the girls said "you guys" to each other , I'm a girl, I call everyone, including other girls, "you guys". I picked that up from My mother, who says it came from her growing up in Colorado, and that many people did that out west. "You guys" = west/midwest "y'all" . *shrug*
I think the fanservice makes it more obvious a guy wrote it lol
I didnt have a bad time at the movie, I expected it to be worse than it was , considering the last time everyone got soooo hyped over something online before it came out (Snakes on a plane?) So I figured we were going in to see 10 minutes of action and 80 minutes of Girl Interrupted. Then, I've never walked out of a movie before, ever. So I guess I'm easily amused. And maybe I am creative enough to insert my own meanings into crappy movies to make them more amusing as well lol
Some of the CGI annoyed me. The samurai scene mostly. It just seemed crappy.
The story and action made me think it was like some of those live action remakes of Japanese Anime. And when I came out of the theatre I talked to my husband about exactly what someone else posted a page or so back. That everything in her head was fights with her inner demons. Projected onto those people she saw around her based on her own insanity/experiences/abuse. All happening in her head during the lobotomy. And that the escape was still in her head.
I think it could have been executed a little better than it was.
And someone else mentioned they could tell a guy wrote it because the girls said "you guys" to each other , I'm a girl, I call everyone, including other girls, "you guys". I picked that up from My mother, who says it came from her growing up in Colorado, and that many people did that out west. "You guys" = west/midwest "y'all" . *shrug*
I think the fanservice makes it more obvious a guy wrote it lol
I didnt have a bad time at the movie, I expected it to be worse than it was , considering the last time everyone got soooo hyped over something online before it came out (Snakes on a plane?) So I figured we were going in to see 10 minutes of action and 80 minutes of Girl Interrupted. Then, I've never walked out of a movie before, ever. So I guess I'm easily amused. And maybe I am creative enough to insert my own meanings into crappy movies to make them more amusing as well lol
Larry Young
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I didn't get into that earlier because it's just anecdotal, but I'll +1 you on this. My wife's from Cincinnati and she always says "you guys" no matter who she's talking about.
I didn't get into that earlier because it's just anecdotal, but I'll +1 you on this. My wife's from Cincinnati and she always says "you guys" no matter who she's talking about.
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Saw it and all I can say is that it is an "eye candy/C*&$%! teaser" film that doesn't deliver.In essence, a film that is essentially "just a long,cool looking trailer". It rips off heavily from "The Matrix" and other mind bender films that were done a great deal better and offers little else to go on and a few cool action sequences with techno/re-mixes for the sound track.Nothing special.
Saw it and all I can say is that it is an "eye candy/C*&$%! teaser" film that doesn't deliver.In essence, a film that is essentially "just a long,cool looking trailer". It rips off heavily from "The Matrix" and other mind bender films that were done a great deal better and offers little else to go on and a few cool action sequences with techno/re-mixes for the sound track.Nothing special.
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There's a lot of 'sexy' in the film, but no sexuality and I think that's the reason most of the guys hated the movie, because they aren't 13yr. old GIRLS.
There's no realistic sexuality for men, it's all caricature, fantasia sexy for young girls, whos' bodies are maturing faster than their minds.
It was never meant to be rated R, that isn't their intended target audience, but their marketing campaign is ingenious. The way they played Zeppelin's original, When the Levee Breaks on top of the previews to bring the 30+ yr. old Fathers in with their daughters in tow, but the actual soundtrack was nothing but vapid, bubblegum-pop remakes, the movie isn't for dad, he's just a means to an end.
Understating and decoding the film's insidious message and intent is really simple if you understand its blatant symbolism, the Devil is in the details.
There's a lot of 'sexy' in the film, but no sexuality and I think that's the reason most of the guys hated the movie, because they aren't 13yr. old GIRLS.
There's no realistic sexuality for men, it's all caricature, fantasia sexy for young girls, whos' bodies are maturing faster than their minds.
It was never meant to be rated R, that isn't their intended target audience, but their marketing campaign is ingenious. The way they played Zeppelin's original, When the Levee Breaks on top of the previews to bring the 30+ yr. old Fathers in with their daughters in tow, but the actual soundtrack was nothing but vapid, bubblegum-pop remakes, the movie isn't for dad, he's just a means to an end.
Understating and decoding the film's insidious message and intent is really simple if you understand its blatant symbolism, the Devil is in the details.
ModernDayMarc
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You should elaborate this further...i'm curious to hear your thoughts
You should elaborate this further...i'm curious to hear your thoughts
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It was just a *fluff* film selling nothing but pre-pubesent fantasy.I'm OK with fantasy if it makes sense,but it barely did,and the recycled plot of "You have 5 tasks to complete to win your freedom" and "You only know the answer to the riddle" was complete CRAP.I wouod have ratehr seen the entire film in the fantasy realm instead of bouncing back and fourth between her fantasy get-away and "the real world".The fantasy world made more sense and the thought of a 15 yr. old girl (as portrayed) who could hypnotize a man by jiggling her booty and showing her **** (or whatever she was doing) because they never showed what she did was a poorly conceived idea and whatever the directer was attempting to portray from that was lost because they never showd anything.It'll take more than a 15 yr. old's hoochie dance to distract a "regular male" in the real world unless you are dealing with strait up demented pedophiles.
It was just a *fluff* film selling nothing but pre-pubesent fantasy.I'm OK with fantasy if it makes sense,but it barely did,and the recycled plot of "You have 5 tasks to complete to win your freedom" and "You only know the answer to the riddle" was complete CRAP.I wouod have ratehr seen the entire film in the fantasy realm instead of bouncing back and fourth between her fantasy get-away and "the real world".The fantasy world made more sense and the thought of a 15 yr. old girl (as portrayed) who could hypnotize a man by jiggling her booty and showing her **** (or whatever she was doing) because they never showed what she did was a poorly conceived idea and whatever the directer was attempting to portray from that was lost because they never showd anything.It'll take more than a 15 yr. old's hoochie dance to distract a "regular male" in the real world unless you are dealing with strait up demented pedophiles.
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15yr old hoochie? She was 20.
And are you aware, none of the dancing was real either? All of that took place in her head and was only part of the first layer of her fantasy world. Awful things were happening in the "real world" during those "dancing" moments.
15yr old hoochie? She was 20.
And are you aware, none of the dancing was real either? All of that took place in her head and was only part of the first layer of her fantasy world. Awful things were happening in the "real world" during those "dancing" moments.
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It's an immense topic to elaborate on without derailing the OT.
But a couple symbolic scenes and imagery to look into are the clock work and steam Nazis, the scene where the girls are sitting at the makeup table and the camera is panning around them without the perspective realistically changing, you don't see the back of the mirror, because it's not a mirror, but a Looking Glass, also the Monarch butterfly on the looking glass.
The significance of the song (remake) White Rabbit, by Jefferson Airplane, (hallucinogens and Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass), when it's playing and the Bio-Mech with the rabbit face painted on it. "Remember what the Dormouse said, feed your head".
The same reoccurring movie posters in the girl's dressing room.
They say something about Blue Nights and the other read something like, Your Dream is My Dream, or, My Dream is Your Dream.
Also, there's only one 'real' girl in the whole movie, even in the mental ward theater at the beginning, the rest are all trauma based, fractured and dissociative personalities.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/reprint/158/7/1027.pdf
Good read...May not be stress related just triggered - Depersonalization Community
It's an immense topic to elaborate on without derailing the OT.
But a couple symbolic scenes and imagery to look into are the clock work and steam Nazis, the scene where the girls are sitting at the makeup table and the camera is panning around them without the perspective realistically changing, you don't see the back of the mirror, because it's not a mirror, but a Looking Glass, also the Monarch butterfly on the looking glass.
The significance of the song (remake) White Rabbit, by Jefferson Airplane, (hallucinogens and Alice in Wonderland/Through the Looking Glass), when it's playing and the Bio-Mech with the rabbit face painted on it. "Remember what the Dormouse said, feed your head".
The same reoccurring movie posters in the girl's dressing room.
They say something about Blue Nights and the other read something like, Your Dream is My Dream, or, My Dream is Your Dream.
Also, there's only one 'real' girl in the whole movie, even in the mental ward theater at the beginning, the rest are all trauma based, fractured and dissociative personalities.
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/reprint/158/7/1027.pdf
Good read...May not be stress related just triggered - Depersonalization Community
Carson Dyle
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I did get a kick out of the law firm referenced during the prologue: "Winesap & Mackintosh."
Any "Angel Heart" fans out there?
I did get a kick out of the law firm referenced during the prologue: "Winesap & Mackintosh."
Any "Angel Heart" fans out there?
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Dude,she may very well be 20 (as it was obvious that all the girls were in their 20's) but she was dressed up as and being portrayed as "a little girl".And yes, I was well aware of what her "fantasty escape was for.I don't know if the dancing was suppose to be real or not ,that was kind or being left up to the viewer. In any case, "the girls" were being used as sex objects/sex slaves...whatever.It simply just wasn't a well thought out/executed film.It was all "looks" from the girls to the elaborate CG that plagued the film.
Dude,she may very well be 20 (as it was obvious that all the girls were in their 20's) but she was dressed up as and being portrayed as "a little girl".And yes, I was well aware of what her "fantasty escape was for.I don't know if the dancing was suppose to be real or not ,that was kind or being left up to the viewer. In any case, "the girls" were being used as sex objects/sex slaves...whatever.It simply just wasn't a well thought out/executed film.It was all "looks" from the girls to the elaborate CG that plagued the film.
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