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I always find this one interesting. What do you mean when you bring this up? A music video background precludes being able to make a good film? Predisposes a certain camera movement? One can't rise above one's formative years? Something I haven't guessed?

I mean, I'd have hated folks to have responded to my first graphic novel with "Well, his last real job was cutting granite. What's a guy who cuts big rocks into little rocks know about funny books?"


All of the above reasons can apply and in Snyder's case particularly, so far, they do. What is Sucker Punch other than one long music video - or a video game you are not in control of. A music video director's job is three to five minutes of mood and spectacle that hopefully will boost the sale of a record (or download - whatever), the choice of if there is or isn't a story is up to the director - much like a commercial (but i do feel a commercial director is more suited for feature films because a commercial does have a story of some kind). And there lies the difference -

I'm a fan of your work Larry - but am not familiar with your early stuff - but most (if not all) commercial illustrators do not start off as impressionist artists.
 
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here's a question... WHY did the girls attack and kill the knights that were fighting the orcs? Towards the end of that scene Sweet Pea and Rocket kill at least 2 of the knights before Baby Doll kills the dragon. And why didn't sweet pea use her friggen sword???

The movie seemed to me that it was edited down by a bunch of monkeys.

- Jeff

They might not of been a part of the battle at all, the entire thing could of been one big diversion for them to get in and get the fire. Not to mention once the knights have breached the castle gates, there's 3 women running at them. Stabbeth First and Inquire Later.

I'd only be rocking my rifle if I still had rounds, you wouldn't see me chasing after the taliban with my bayonette if i still had rounds in my C9 ;)
 
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This is the first misconception I hear when folks are talking to me about this movie. They aren't "five little ladies that could;" they're committed inmates in a mental institution in the 60s, a bleak time and place for anyone, male or female.

A mental institution run by a guy who takes in patients that aren't insane for money. Since we never got to know the other four girls outside of merely seeing them shortly when Baby Doll arrives, how are we to know they didn't fall under the same boat as her? If they were insane, nothing about Baby Doll's depictions of them seemed to reflect that.
 
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A mental institution run by a guy who takes in patients that aren't insane for money.

That was a corrupt orderly, not an administrator. And if you know anything about the time period, people were committed for a lot less than attempted murder of a step-father that resulted in the death of a sibling. Google "Where's Molly" if you really want to get your heart broken.
 
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Speaking about this movie in terms of gender is like blaming men for what happens in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. It's not men or women that are oppressed or oppressor; it's human beings who are good or evil.

Yeah, but it's still the women who are not in the leading roles.
 
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I always find this one interesting. What do you mean when you bring this up? A music video background precludes being able to make a good film? Predisposes a certain camera movement? One can't rise above one's formative years? Something I haven't guessed?

I mean, I'd have hated folks to have responded to my first graphic novel with "Well, his last real job was cutting granite. What's a guy who cuts big rocks into little rocks know about funny books?"

That's true! Didn't Ridley Scott and Fincher both direct commercials before movies? Gotta cut your teeth somewhere.

As for my opinion on this movie, well, it was obviously over the top, trying to cram so much in the way of visuals did detract from any attempt at a story. And the visuals were disjointed in many ways (why would a girl fantasize about Orc, dragons and robots in the first place - present company excluded of course ;) ) There was no preamble to why Babydoll's vision of the Asylum was as a brothel, other than as an escape. Briefly seen inhabitants as guards and such become key players in this 2nd layer, but aren't seen in the fantasies.

It also would have made more sense to have the specific girl going after the goal in the dance fantasy (such as Amber getting the stones from the dragon instead of Baby doll)

There's a lot to work with, probably too much for one movie alone, sadly. The film was a visual treat that I can't say I hated but I surely didn't love it either.
 
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That was a corrupt orderly, not an administrator. And if you know anything about the time period, people were committed for a lot less than attempted murder of a step-father that resulted in the death of a sibling. Google "Where's Molly" if you really want to get your heart broken.

I guess my only problem with this is - what time period? The film is very ambiguous about that. As much as a lot looks period, there were Guards wearing Ipod headphones. And I was under the impression that Blue was an Admin, not an Orderly.
 
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I always go by the phone cords. And I can't say I saw earbuds on those wires going to the ear. Could have been a transistor radio earphone, but I take your point.

At the end, Gorski says " She stabbed an orderly..." and then they show Blue with a stab wound.
 
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I should have downloaded diary of a wimpy kid instead. I thought this movie was lacking...everything. :lol
 
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I can't listen to Bjork's "Army of Me" anymore without smirking. I always thought it was a cool song but now I can't stop thinking about Baby Doll doing her "thing" when it plays. Its a pretty ridiculous.
 
SUCKER PUNCH....Boring visual extravaganza...

Ok. It seems I might be alone in this but I hung on for nearly an hour squirming in my seat waiting to “get into” this film. At the 1 hour mark I decided, what I’ve seen so far is all I’m gonna get outta this flick and walked out. An over pumped CG filled film where the music comes in and out like an auditory JAR JAR BINKS. I loved 300 but realized in the hands of a lesser director it would have been a hollow action film with unber faux intensity. On that film Zak Synder walked the razors edge and delivered a fresh twist on an old story. I liked what he did with WATCHMEN. This latest film is what is wrong with directors who watch too many music videos. Maybe it’s just me...I don’t know. Is he a ONE TRICK PONY? Who else out there feels the same??????
 
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I posted this in the costume thread, but this seems like a more appropriate place for it:

I've been thinking about this movie a lot over the last few days and the more I think about it the more I like it. We have this theory . . .

*Spoilers Ahead*


What if Sweet Pea and BabyDoll are actually the same girl!

We can all agree that the wiseman was a figment of Babydoll's imagination, yes?

So how is it that he was driving the bus at the end? Same witty quips "and one more thing . . . blah blah blah"

How is it that Sweet Pea sees him if he only exists in Babydoll's mind?

Other correlations:

The movie starts with sweet pea on her bed in her room on stage, back to the camera.
When she first enters the asylum she sees sweet pea on the same exact bed in a set room on a stage, back to the camera. Everything is exactly the same.

Sweet pea is in the lobotomy chair dressed as babydoll when the burlesque fantasy begins and she says something like "wait, this isn't right, I shouldn't be in this chair, I'm the star."

Sweet pea has a younger sister for whom she feels responsible for her death.
Babydoll has a younger sister for whom she feels responsible for her death.

Babydoll says it wasn't her story, it was Sweet peas story all along near the end of the film.

The 5th mystery item is . . . herself, she must find her true self. Did she ever not know who she was? Hmmmm

She tells Sweet Pea to go home and tell momma her sister loves her or something to that effect. This is her making amends with her past and accepting her fate, to be lobotomized. The whole scene of Sweet pea escaping, taking the bus and running home to her mother takes place in babydoll's mind after she has been lobotomized.

In the real world yes, Gorski says BabyDoll has been quite a handful, started a fire, stabbed an orderly and helped one girl escape, but does she ever mention 3 dead girls? I don't remember, and if so, were they just random girls Blue killed? Perhaps we never met the girl that she helped escape. We only know her as Sweet Pea because that is the personality Babydoll envisioned for her. And perhaps the other girls in the real world are nothing like the characters that BabyDoll sees in her head during her fantasies in level 1 (burlesque) or level 2 (off the wall craziness worlds). Or maybe I'm digging too deep for something that isn't there . . .

Also, from another member on here:

chameleon said:
Yeah, but think about it....SweetPea is who the story is really about. (Even BabyDoll tells her so) I have a further theory: In the beginning, SweetPea is in the lobotomy chair. The Lobotomy is going ON ALL DURING THE MOVIE. That needle is penetrating into SweetPea's brain and as it goes deeper and deeper.... SweetPea's alters (Amber, Rocket, Blondie, BabyDoll) die off, don't they? Needle hits that part of the brain, and they die off. (Symbolism: That racing train getting ready to blow up the city? Looks like that Lobotomy needle racing through her brain. It'll ruin her brain alright...) BabyDoll gives herself up (makes herself go away) to "free" SweetPea. Then, SweetPea finally gets to mentally go home alone - cuz she's the CORE personality, and who's driving the bus? WiseMan (think: Inner Wisdom) Don't we all have that? Some kind of inner wisdom?



What do you guys think?
 
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