Tarkin directly refers to the Emperor and says he dissolved the Imperial Senate and took total control. This is factually way more than we know about how Snoke became a Supreme leader. A little backstory is still backstory.
Why is Unkar Plutt a bad person? He raised Rey and how did she turn out? Strong, independent, technologically educated and with a good moral center. Is it because he makes her work for her food? Adults who work in their parents businesses typically have to work to get paid. Is it because he wanted to get BB-8 and turn it over to the First Order? Maybe he was trying to save Rey from getting tangled up with them.
It's pretty clear she's not a Skywalker, that family tree is well known. Doesn't have to be OWK's child to be a Kenobi, his family tree is virtually unknown.
Hux was acting like a dictator in TFA. In TLJ he is the butt of many jokes and involved in much physical comedy. Your personal opinion on how historical dictators acted is just that, your opinion. The objective reality is that they were able to convince large populations of people to do their will, and it wasn't because those people thought they made funny speeches.
Your video and the Luke scene are not comparable except that both are SW and someone threw a cylindrical object. The tone and import of both scenes are different, as is the perception of how and why the objects were thrown. SW can have comedic moments, the problem is how they are executed and who they involve, as I explained in my prior post.
How is Unkar Plutt a bad person?....................she's basically living like Oliver Twist. Scavenging so she can get paid. And her payment? Food. I mean come on she's living in an old AT-AT a long way from town. And also don't forget that Unkar sent his thugs after her when she wouldn't sell the BB-8. Some foster parent that guy is. Most places that would constitue as child abuse.
And I never said their speeches were funny. Though I wonder why many people just laughed off Hiller and Mussolini? There were a lot of people that were shocked when the bombs started dropping. In fact Hitler's crazy antics when he spoke where considered so humorous, by many in the US and the UK. That Charlie Chaplin made a hilarious parody of it. ( Which can be seen in the film, The Great Dictator. It's a must watch if you haven't seen it) Every speech Hux gives, reminds me of those two maniacs.
And actually Kyle and Luke are very similar. Both have turned their backs on the Jedi and the Force. And neither wants to hold something that connects them to those things. Though the difference between the two being. Kyle has turned his back on the Jedi and the Force. While Luke feels he doing something positive and good, by removing the Jedi from the equation. Interestingly both men just about killed their student. Which is the catalyst for their turning away from it all.
Watch some of Hitler's and Mussolini's speeches. The posturing, the flailing of the arms, it's ridiculous, it would be down right hilarious if we didn't know how many people they were responsible for killing.
She is working for pay. That doesn't make Plutt a bad person, it makes him an employer. AT-AT's are not tiny, the body alone is larger than some real houses and she owns a speeder to get into town. In relation to storytelling, it is supposed to show that she comes from humble beginnings, not that Plutt is evil.
It's too bad RJ decided to not explore her past in more detail or we might have gotten a real take on her relationship to Plutt, why she was left with him, what being raised by him was like etc. Proving just how much subverting expectations is a cheap thing to do. Especially when it comes to learning about the protagonist of this trilogy. But we do know she ended up far more good than bad under his care.
You didn't say they made funny speeches? I'll quote here...
Ridiculous and funny are synonymous.
https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/funny
And you factually just said Hitler was considered "humorous". This time without the "killed people" qualifier. So I think that is you arguing Hitler made funny speeches, twice. And Hux only gave one speech, in TFA, in which he mostly stood stock-still. What other speeches are you talking about?
The import and tone of the scene, and motivation of the "throw" are different. You did not address the first two and actually prove me right on the third. And you are reaching now, trying to justify the scene by comparing Luke to a character that is not even in the movies.
That said, you can take the same questions and apply to them to the OT:Who’s snoke?
Who’s Rey’s parents? / who’s the girl?
Who dropped of Rey on jakku?
Where did the graflex come from?!
I find it interesting that some think that was supposed to be a comedic moment. I sure didn't. I thought it was very serious.
I'm assuming you're referencing the saber toss moment here and I gotta tell you, the record scratch in the music makes it pretty clear to me it was meant as a comedic moment. Plus there's the fact that audiences, in both of my theater viewings of the movie at least, laughed at the moment. I know this point has been made a million times already, but it bears repeating; if you want people to take a moment like that seriously, you have the actor either drop it at their feet or toss it aside, not throw it over their shoulder (which is a classic comedy trope, I might add).
The moment itself is not the problem, its the way it's executed.
Ik what RJ says, and if that were all there was to it, I would have had no problem with Luke in the movie. Because it makes a certain amount of sense. But that's not the real reason he's exiled himself to the island, that's just what he tells himself. What really keeps him from rejoining the fight is his guilt at almost killing Ben. How is he supposed to face his sister and his best friend knowing that he maliciously raised a lightsaber to their son? An action that Luke Skywalker - a man who went through hell and came out the other side a better, wiser man and JEDI in the OT - never in a million years would have EVER even entertained the thought of taking.
Saber toss was supposed to be subversive and funny. I don't care who says what now. It doesn't jive at all with the look on Luke's face at the end of TFA. Much less that he's standing there in full Jedi regalia.
This why I love Luke in TLJ. He's so complex. Nothing is just black and white. Luke is on that island to bring an end to the Jedi, is just one of many reasons in my mind. I love the fact that we know the Jedi are ultimately the best hope for the galaxy. But at the same time Luke is right. The Jedi's legacy is failure. For being guardians of peace and justice, they sure muck that up a lot.
I really liked TLJ, but I agree with this 100%.Saber toss was supposed to be subversive and funny. I don't care who says what now. It doesn't jive at all with the look on Luke's face at the end of TFA. Much less that he's standing there in full Jedi regalia.
I don't necessarily disagree with you on anything you just said. I can absolutely see the Luke of the OT, after Ben's betrayal, seeing the Jedi order as the problem and exiling himself so that it dies with him. My problem with the character in TLJ comes from the event that led to the betrayal. Take out "Without even attempting to talk to him about it, I'm going to kill my nephew, who has so far done nothing to anyone, because the Force says he's evil even though I know from hard-won experience that the Force only shows us possible futures because it's always in motion" and add a line from Luke saying something like, "I would like nothing more than to go out there with a lightsaber and face down the whole First Order by myself but I can't! *proceeds to tell his thoughts on why the Jedi need to end*, and you've got yourself a great movie. Or at least a great Luke Skywalker. I have plenty more complaints than that in the movie as a whole lol.
That's is why I think the Dark Side is at work in Luke. He's exhibiting all the signs, fear, anger, hatred. The fact he went into Ben's hut in the middle of the night, to begin with, suggests, I believe, a decision made out of fear. And to add to that, he sees the dark machinations of Ben, and possibly the death of Han and Leia. And that would have been the needed kick for Luke to momentarily succumb to Dark Side. Aunt Beru said it, "He's got much of his father in him". Both Luke and Anakin are drawn to the Dark Side when they see visions of the future. And attempt to change that future.
But he already beat the darkness in himself in ROTJ. Succumbing to it again for even a second invalidates everything he went through and learned throughout the OT. You might as well rip him from the history books because it all meant nothing in the end.
Given that Luke conquered the Dark Side in ROTJ we really didn't need to see him conquer it again in this new trilogy in a really complex way, especially since the focus should be on Rey and her struggle with the Dark Side (which is not really all that effective in my opinion). There were better ways to deal with Luke than the way Rian did, but it's too late now so it really doesn't matter.
There has to be a way for me to resist this thread. I feel like it's some horrible drug that I can't kick. I'm so sick of talking about this ****ing **** movie. lol