The Last Of Us HBO S2

[TimDRX]

I'm one of the rare folk that thinks the second game is vastly more "important" than the first in terms of what video games can do in story telling, and the TV show is doing as best as it can in adapting it but it can't possibly hit as hard IMO. They've already done a lot of softening in the presentation, I think to try and ease viewers into where they need to be for the end of the story, and I'm not a fan of those changes tbh.

Big ol' game spoilers
the game works because it takes a very heavily trodden theme of "revenge is bad" and makes you live through it. You don't just watch this awful cycle play out, you participate in it and actively experience the pain it causes. You get to see Abby kill someone you love for reasons you can't understand, then you take revenge by killing all the people she loves.

THEN you switch to Abby and get to see her side of things, and the game does an amazing job of very rapidly getting you on her side by positioning her as a cool action hero that has already done the worst thing she will ever do and is slowly recovering from it, while Ellie is spiralling into doing monstrous actions. You get to see all the harm Ellie is causing from the outside, after you already did it yourself. And then you get to see the two sides of how to break that cycle and how both sides can live with themselves afterwards.

I feel like the TV adaptation already wasted a big chunk of this by having Abby explain her motivations at the start of the first episode, you already understand why she's doing this. I think it's to try and make her more sympathetic by the end but she's not supposed to be yet!

 

[Halliwax]

Yeah can’t continue with this…

I’m going back to 1000lb sisters

 

[Cephus]

Yeah can’t continue with this…

I’m going back to 1000lb sisters

Same here. I dropped it. Too stupid for me.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Yeah…I am struggling to keep my interest in a show now being carried by a main character with the charisma of a potato and the likability of a man passing gas in an elevator.

 

[Halliwax]

last episode was really really bad… like wow….

Amazed where this show has gone…

 

[Halliwax]

Yeah I’m gonna have to walk away from this series.. it’s to the point I feel very uncomfortable with some scenes..

Scenes that do not need to be in the show.. I doubt this stuff was in the game

 

[Cephus]

Yeah I’m gonna have to walk away from this series.. it’s to the point I feel very uncomfortable with some scenes..

Scenes that do not need to be in the show.. I doubt this stuff was in the game

Oh, a lot was in the game and the game flopped big time because of it. They had a chance to learn their lesson before they made the show and they didn't. That's why the show flopped too.

 

[Halliwax]

Oh, a lot was in the game and the game flopped big time because of it. They had a chance to learn their lesson before they made the show and they didn't. That's why the show flopped too.

Even the s3x scenes? This is where it’s just too much for me

 

[Cephus]

Even the s3x scenes? This is where it’s just too much for me

There was a whole cutscene. It wasn't the same as the show, but it was there.

 

[Halliwax]

There was a whole cutscene. It wasn't the same as the show, but it was there.

Idk.. maybe it’s my age… I just don’t feel comfortable with the direction this has all gone…

Did the show change directors or producers or something? The characters even feel totally off..

Like Ellie, the actress doesnt seem to act the same as season one.. like she’s over trying or something?

The whole space ship scene? I don’t even know what I was watching..

And I’m not picking on her because I thought she did amazing in season 1, I have a feeling this comes down to new director or something..

And Joel’s brother.. he’s built that whole town.. he’s going to run to a dead end when the blotter is chasing him?

I don’t get it…

 

[Captain Dunsel]

 

[Astyanax]

Yeah, I'm with you guys. Felt same as Walking Dead, where the awesome first season was about driving an overall plot with zombies. But then it devolved into seeing how much misery can be dumped on its cast. I'm out.

 

[Halliwax]

Yeah, I'm with you guys. Felt same as Walking Dead, where the awesome first season was about driving an overall plot with zombies. But then it devolved into seeing how much misery can be dumped on its cast. I'm out.

I followed walking dead until the first season with Negan…

That finale hyped him up, made him look like a total monster.. broke rick.. then the next season negan was a joke.. and it got worse and worse

I found walking dead to be the same exact story just different location and different characters..

 

[Cephus]

I followed walking dead until the first season with Negan…

That finale hyped him up, made him look like a total monster.. broke rick.. then the next season negan was a joke.. and it got worse and worse

I found walking dead to be the same exact story just different location and different characters..

We gave up on Walking Dead, I think, the first episode of the 3rd or 4th season when, like you said, it was same thing, different location, with characters that we couldn't care less if they lived or died. With nobody worth rooting for, who cares?

 

[HeartBlade]

Idk.. maybe it’s my age… I just don’t feel comfortable with the direction this has all gone…

Did the show change directors or producers or something? The characters even feel totally off..

Like Ellie, the actress doesnt seem to act the same as season one.. like she’s over trying or something?

The whole space ship scene? I don’t even know what I was watching..

And I’m not picking on her because I thought she did amazing in season 1, I have a feeling this comes down to new director or something..

And Joel’s brother.. he’s built that whole town.. he’s going to run to a dead end when the blotter is chasing him?

I don’t get it…

There actually isnt much change. The rot was there from the beginning.

Showrunner Mazin has stated he thinks Ellie is "incompetent" compared to Abby when in the game, they are equally competent (Abby is a soldier, Ellie a survivor). I do think Ellie was honestly off as a character since season 1 but the lack of seriousness is purposeful by the showrunner and only ruins her character further.

‘The Last Of Us’ Showrunner Says Ellie Is Incompetent Compared To Abby

There has been a general sense that Ellie’s character has veered well outside the lines of the source material in The Last of Us season 2. Now, there's documentation

www.forbes.com

The infected attack on Jacksonville is also show only and stupid imo. My impression from part 2 was that Jackson is a a town filled with competent survivors where everyone can pull their own weight. They are a "sleeping tiger" in a sense and it really shows the WLF's arrogance and idiocy to stir that tiger, especially when they are already engaged in a fight against the Seraphites. I have alot of issues with the original story anyway though and its clear to me that despite being willing to make changes, the tv show couldnt change it for the better either.

 

[laellee]

There actually isnt much change. The rot was there from the beginning.

Showrunner Mazin has stated he thinks Ellie is "incompetent" compared to Abby when in the game, they are equally competent (Abby is a soldier, Ellie a survivor). I do think Ellie was honestly off as a character since season 1 but the lack of seriousness is purposeful by the showrunner and only ruins her character further.

‘The Last Of Us’ Showrunner Says Ellie Is Incompetent Compared To Abby

There has been a general sense that Ellie’s character has veered well outside the lines of the source material in The Last of Us season 2. Now, there's documentation

www.forbes.com

The infected attack on Jacksonville is also show only and stupid imo. My impression from part 2 was that Jackson is a a town filled with competent survivors where everyone can pull their own weight. They are a "sleeping tiger" in a sense and it really shows the WLF's arrogance and idiocy to stir that tiger, especially when they are already engaged in a fight against the Seraphites. I have alot of issues with the original story anyway though and its clear to me that despite being willing to make changes, the tv show couldnt change it for the better either.

I want to disagree with you constantly, but you are nailing it. We can all quarterback this, but seriously this.
My girl, who gives zero ***** about the show, thought their might be redemption through two more episodes. Then I told her that 7 was it. SEVEN. Yep.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Holy hilarity…

 

[Halliwax]

Holy hilarity…

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I can’t with you LOL

But this is exactly what I meant when I found she was totally out of character..

That whole flash back scene, felt like she was a totally different actress.. I don’t get it. I still think it had to be director related because I thought she performed amazing in the first season

What is wicked scary is there is a guy in a cycling club near me.. he’s a mirror image of this girl.. I’m hesitant to post his picture out of privacy.. but dude they are twins..