Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Post-release)

[Spyhunter2k]

I just came back to this thread after a long hiatus. I just read the last 100 posts in painstaking detail. If I've learned anything valuable it is that I can just scroll past posts by JoeK3rr from now on.

Yep (quoting in a non-traditional way since it's taken from a locked thread):

Re: Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm?
Why are we still debating this?. He will never change his mind. We will never change ours. What's the point?
Psab keel, Sep 26, 2018Report

Re: Kathleen Kennedy to step down from Lucasfilm?I don't about you guys, but I love arguing about this totally worthless stuff! I mean come on we're all nerds here right?:lol
Joek3rr, Sep 26, 2018Report
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Once Joek3rr began posting in the Star Wars threads, effectively occupying them by having his posts dominate the thread from that point on, and repeatedly professing ignorance of the TLJ's failings by acting as if each time he hears about a problem it's the first time anyone's brought it up, then yeah. "Ignore" is called for.

If everyone stopped responding to this one troll, the thread would die a natural death.

 

[Joek3rr]

Tis a sad day when you are called a troll for simply being a passionate Star Wars fan.

 

[modelcitizen]

you're nowhere near a troll. keep on the good fight.

 

[Halliwax]

Just when you think it was dead

 

[astroboy]

Do you guys realize that the Poll at the top is almost split right down the middle?

I'm considering the middle ground to be a fail because, Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video is pretty much a fail for a star wars movie. Especially at a forum like this

 

[JD]

Do you guys realize that the Poll at the top is almost split right down the middle?

I'm considering the middle ground to be a fail because, Could watch it at the cinema once or wait for home video is pretty much a fail for a star wars movie. Especially at a forum like this

Actually, I'm more interested in the poll results within the first couple weeks of release. I think that tends to be a truer reflection...

I do think the negative spin against this film swayed many of us and it may have caused some to be harsher towards it than necessary. I also think that kinda think that deflects a few points from your fail theory. I do understand what you're saying there and accept that it does has some truth to it. However, I do think a very vocal group has soiled the movie for some.

That said - it is understand and acceptable that some folks just didn't like the movie.

 

[teecrooz]

I rewatched it again a few weeks ago. To me it still had its issues, but was more watchable this time around. I’ll never like it though.

 

[astroboy]

Actually, I'm more interested in the poll results within the first couple weeks of release. I think that tends to be a truer reflection...

I do think the negative spin against this film swayed many of us and it may have caused some to be harsher towards it than necessary. I also think that kinda think that deflects a few points from your fail theory. I do understand what you're saying there and accept that it does has some truth to it. However, I do think a very vocal group has soiled the movie for some.

That said - it is understand and acceptable that some folks just didn't like the movie.

You see, I'd think the opposite. I know a lot of casual fans who love everything and they loved it because they we're supposed to.

There's so much hype going on. But in the days afterward, people start to digest things. For some, they like it more. But for others, things start to add up.

I'm one of the ones who only stayed to see how it ended because I didn't want to abandon my friend.

And I've tried to watch it again. I just can't

 

[JD]

You see, I'd think the opposite. I know a lot of casual fans who love everything and they loved it because they we're supposed to.

There's so much hype going on. But in the days afterward, people start to digest things. For some, they like it more. But for others, things start to add up.

I'm one of the ones who only stayed to see how it ended because I didn't want to abandon my friend.

And I've tried to watch it again. I just can't

I'm not sold on that. I don't think it was a matter of letting things digest. I feel it was more a bandwagon thing... the whole repeat something enough times and it becomes true type of thing.

When you have a few very loud, vocal people (like a few right here on this forum) so vehemently shoveling their hate of the movie into our faces every three seconds, it's hard not to be swayed and perhaps join that hive mentality. (Of course this movie had attacks against it on different fronts, not just fanboys on the RPF). But, that also doesn't mean everyone likes/dislikes due to these kinds of things.

I watched the poll results fairly regularly for a while - it seemed like the positive outweighed the negative votes pretty strongly for quite a while and that it didn't get this close until somewhat recently. (Well, I'm not sure how long ago "recently" was... due to a lot of bickering and tension in this thread, I've tried to avoid it. I wish there was a way to see the votes by day and all that).

Regardless, it's understandable and acceptable that people have different tastes and likes. I enjoyed it quite a bit and saw it several times in the theater and have had it on at home quite a few times (unfortunately, I don't find myself watching movies at home like I once did... nowadays, it's just to have something on).

 

[Joek3rr]

I honestly wish I could change my vote. I'd like to change from 'good' to 'great'.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Honestly hard to believe people still defend this travesty. I can understand sticking by it at first, but after having had time to analyze it and read some of the utter nonsense defending it, it feels like something you could only like if you ignore things like continuity, story telling, and basic common sense.

 

[Psab keel]

I almost walked out of the theater. I hated it from the beginning and still do.

 

[Joek3rr]

This was very interesting tidbit of information. About the development of Luke.

 

[Psab keel]

Still doesn't mean it was a good choice, whether it was Lucas's idea or not.

 

[Joek3rr]

Still doesn't mean it was a good choice, whether it was Lucas's idea or not.

What I found the most interesting, this was the first time I heard about Luke being described like Colonel Kurtz. Probably why Doug Chiang did concept of a bald Luke. Its allso conformation of my theory that it was George's idea

 

[Psab keel]

Again, you quoted me, but did not address my point. Regardless of whoever came up with the concept for Luke's character arc, to my mind it was a poor creative choice. You can certainly disagree with me, and I with you, but in order to have a productive dialog it would be more helpful to address a person's comment by responding to it. This is why people get infuriated with you Joek3rr. Enjoy your echo chamber.

This thread was inactive for like 2 weeks and I was hoping beyond hope that it had FINALLY died. Alas, like a zombie seeking brains, it has not.

In less than a month this film will be ONE year old. The fact that the thread is 116 pages long and we are still nowhere near reconciling the fanbase on it shows that there is NO solution.

Haters will hate it.

Lovers will love it.

It's over.

Of the 4 Disney Star Wars films that have been released, I only ever owned TFA, which I just sold a week or so ago on Ebay. I never bothered buying Rogue One. I saw TLJ once, and never again. I didn't even bother watching Solo, even when it became available to stream. I had absolutely zero interest.

Soon I will be selling my prequel DVD's on ebay. The only reason I've even kept them this long is that I really enjoyed all of the documentaries and bonus features, which to my mind are far more interesting that the films themselves.

After that, all I will own of the films is the Original Trilogy and Gendy Tartovsky's 2 part Clone Wars.

Episode 9 is far from my mind. I suspect I won't bother to see it either.

 

[sztriki]

To be completely fair this thread was brought back when someone made a personal comment about another member here 2W plus after the last post and 3W plus after the relevant post that it was a reply to. Regardless of how past discussions on-topic went down that was totally uncalled for and was simply stirring the pot again.
Anyway, ladies and gents, I'm officially putting forward a permaban for myself if I ever post anything in this thread again. Catch up with you all somewhere else here.

 

[Psab keel]

That is true. It was nice to see that it had been at the bottom of the list of threads for a few weeks. I've tried refraining from posting here but my efforts have been in vain.

I think it's time I tried to ban myself from this thread too. If it's ever going to die I need to stop feeding into it.

Later all! Catch you all in other corners of the forums!

 

[GirlyGothicGeek]

I feel like there's a fair amount of people liking it just because it's a Star Wars film (and they'll love anything Star Wars). There also seems to be a fair amount of people hating it just because it's a Star Wars film (and they'll hate anything that isn't the original trilogy).

Overall, I think it was a pretty good film. I grew up on the original Star Wars, along with prequels and a LOT of extended universe. Some parts of TLJ were admittedly weird (*cough* flying space Leia *cough*), but in general... I just don't view the new ones as fully canon and enjoy what's there.

 

[egosheep]

This was very interesting tidbit of information. About the development of Luke.

If Sad Luke in exile was what upset fans, we would have rioted after TFA. Force disconnection, his desire to destroy the Jedi temple and the Order, turning Ben to the dark side by trying to murder him in his sleep, refusing to train Rey in good faith: these are the elements Rian brought to the table, and that's the stuff people were most upset by. It's not what Lucas planned, or Mark wouldn't have had such an issue with it. He said TLJ was "vastly different" from what Lucas had in mind.