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[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Some of them called Steven.

 

[astroboy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But the good thing about evil armies is there will always be someone to take over. Plenty of Moffs out there that would love to lead an empire.

Actually, I wouldn't mind if it were some general who takes the helm. But instead, we're going to have some cartoon bad guy

 

[mattycsi]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I agree. For an "Empire" that spanned millions of worlds across an entire galaxy, the notion that one, singular battle at Endor could have crippled this establishment is ludicrous. Yes, that's what we were fed at the end of ROTJ, but realistically, it just doesn't wash. Along with a trove of other things that are suspect in this saga. Such as the abysmal number of Clones that were being produced on Kamino to fortify the Republic Army. "Two hundred thousand units are ready, with a million more well on the way." Seems like a large number, but the U.S. in WWII had sixteen million people in the service; an army/navy in the Empire of SW would need TRILLIONS of soldiers to cover the territory held under sway by the Empire. One battle at Endor could hardly have been decisive. I think it was G.L.'s tiredness that brought the saga to a close, and not the defeat of an Empire.

Bear in mind that there were countless battle droids in operation and millions/billions more clones could have been created in the 30 years between Sith and Hope. We were never really given a time frame on how long it takes to make a clone.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I don't disagree. But now that they're continuing the story they have to address and re-examine that "ending". Having an oppressive "overlord" like Palpatine and the Empire has been a consistent theme throughout the existing six movies, so it's reasonable for them to continue that in the upcoming movies.

Yes.... and (mostly) no. TPM and AotC chronicled Palpatine's rise to power - he was not an oppressive overlord until arguably the end RotS. The prequel saga - while specifically about the fall of Anakin and birth of Vader is also about a Senator's rise to Chancellor and then to Emperor - and about his manipulations both as Palpatine and as Darth Sidious.

I still think it's sloppy to have the Empire around in VII.

 

[joberg]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Thanks for the responses/ideas...so someone or some people must be in charge then...I mean new design for weapons, armours, etc...being created over that 30 years span.
I guess Kamino is still churning clones, or they opened "franchises" all over the galaxy to meet a certain "quota"...who's paying for all this?

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Thanks for the responses/ideas...so someone or some people must be in charge then...I mean new design for weapons, armours, etc...being created over that 30 years span.
I guess Kamino is still churning clones, or they opened "franchises" all over the galaxy to meet a certain "quota"...who's paying for all this?

Stormtoopers in the OT are not clones.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Stormtoopers in the OT are not clones.

Has that actually been proven one way or the other? I remember reading somewhere that they were a mix of clones and non-clones. This maybe non-canon either way we look at it now as we've never really seen under the lid in a SW movie.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

GL and Dave Filloni have both said it, Dave more recently in regards to Rebels.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

GL and Dave Filloni have both said it, Dave more recently in regards to Rebels.

Does that mean all ST are not clones? I'm reading on a few sites that ST were a mixture of clones/non-clones.

Also, any chance you might have a link to the quote?

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It was on a podcast. I think Rebel Force Radio. Also we know clones have accelerated aging, they could be upwards of 60 years old by the time of the OT.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Does that mean all ST are not clones? I'm reading on a few sites that ST were a mixture of clones/non-clones.

Also, any chance you might have a link to the quote?

Wait, here. Dave discusses that Stormtroopers are conscripted soldiers.

http://www.empireonline.com/interviews/interview.asp?IID=1883

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

It was on a podcast. I think Rebel Force Radio. Also we know clones have accelerated aging, they could be upwards of 60 years old by the time of the OT.

That would be the first generation of the clones. Do we know that there weren't subsequent gen's of clone troopers?

Wookiepedia (not saying that it's accurate) says about 1/3 of the Empire's Stormtrooper's were clones.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That would be the first generation of the clones. Do we know that there weren't subsequent gen's of clone troopers?

Wookiepedia (not saying that it's accurate) says about 1/3 of the Empire's Stormtrooper's were clones.

Read the link I posted above.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Read the link I posted above.

Thanks - I didn't see that link (as we posted at the same time). But, that link really doesn't say a whole lot about Stormtroopers / Clones (or the make up of Clone vs. non-Clone)... and of course, we have the caveat: "In my opinion..."

In my opinion, having made The Clone Wars and now working with Stormtroopers, I would say that a Clone trooper could outgun a Stormtrooper rather easily. A Clone trooper was bred, born, raised to be a soldier. Lucky for them, the Jedi gave them a lot of personality, but they were very dedicated soldiers. Stormtroopers are drafted into service; you can join through academies. If you watch A New Hope they stand around and say, ‘Hey, you seen the new BT-16?’ They seem interested in their job but you question their dedication. They’re treated as expendable by the Empire, and they definitely can’t shoot anything.

When Obi Wan says, ‘Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise’, I think he’s making that up on the fact that he used to fight with clones, so he assumes that a Stormtrooper is really good. Much to his shock those guys can’t hit an R2 unit in a naked hallway, let alone be precise. So I like Stormtroopers, I find them very interesting. The Stormtroopers have better gear, better weapons in a lot of ways but it’s just a different war they are fighting than the Clone troopers’ was.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well, the "in my opinion" relates to their marksmanship. It's clear in Rebels they are not clones and Rebels is canon.

 

[Riceball]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Emperor's role in the survival of the imperial army should not be overlooked.

He created it. He used propaganda to ensure its existence. He manipulates the government so that he had absolute control...and then he dismantled the government.

It seems to me that once he's gone, it would fall into disarray

The same could be said of Hitler and yet after he committed suicide Nazi Germany didn't immediately collapse, fighting went on for a little while longer and they actually had to formally surrender to the Allies they didn't just fall apart. The only reason that Germany didn't continue to fight on for a lot longer after Hitler died was because, unlike the Empire, they were already on the verge of collapse, lost all of their conquered territory, and had the Russians in Berlin and Americans, Brits, and others already in Germany proper and getting closer to Berlin every day. The Empire, on the other hand, wasn't being hammered by overwhelming forces on 2 fronts, losing the war against the Rebellion, or (as far as we know) lost any territory by the time of the Emperor's death. Like Nazi Germany the Empire would have its fair share of die-hards and fanatics who would have bought in to the Emperor's propaganda and continued the fight even after his death. Then there are those who continue to fight because they would face what would essentially be war crime trials if they simply surrendered, and there are those governor's and Moffs who like their power and don't want to give it up and may actually see the Emperor and Vader's deaths as an opportunity to give themselves a big a fat promotion to Emperor much like what happened periodically during the history of the Roman Empire.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Well, the "in my opinion" relates to their marksmanship. It's clear in Rebels they are not clones and Rebels is canon.

I haven't seen Rebels and don't know much about it - I'm not sure how it deals with that subject at all. I still have a feeling that there could be some percentage of Clones in the Empire at the time of ANH.

I also think that it many could think that it's implied (and perhaps even believed by many) that Stormtroopers are actual clones by showing Clone Troopers like they did in AotC and RotS.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I haven't seen Rebels and don't know much about it - I'm not sure how it deals with that subject at all. I still have a feeling that there could be some percentage of Clones in the Empire at the time of ANH.

I also think that it many could think that it's implied (and perhaps even believed by many) that Stormtroopers are actual clones by showing Clone Troopers like they did in AotC and RotS.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Filloni has an episode of Rebrls showing clones still alive in this era in some capacity. I know you were not a CW fan and may not watch Rebels, but both are canonical SW and always will be. Not watching them is your choice but you will miss certain aspects of the SW universe.

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Filloni has an episode of Rebrls showing clones still alive in this era in some capacity. I know you were not a CW fan and may not watch Rebels, but both are canonical SW and always will be. Not watching them is your choice but you will miss certain aspects of the SW universe.

I'm not doubting the validity of either series, nor that Stormtroopers not being Clones. In a perfect world, I would be able to read and watch all the SW universe stuff - just not enough time in the day... and while I liked the prequels more than most, I just didn't find the Clone Wars series (what I saw of it) to be for me (at least on a regular basis).

 

[astroboy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

One thing I'm sure Abrams will address is how incompetent the stormtroopers were in the OT. Surely they will be more terrifying now. And have better aim!