Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Westies14]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As an aside, the thought of Vader's light saber still existing got me thinking: why was there a conduit shaft to the reactor core going through palatine's chamber? Isn't that like a CEO having a maintenance closet for the furnace room next to his desk?

Well, the place was under construction! They probably just hadn't gotten around to putting that wall in just yet.

 

[Tan Djarka]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As I understand it, in early Star Wars related publications, the stormtroopers were "clones grown in tanks" (like Vader got his suit because he "fell into a volcano" during his duel with Obi Wan). With the advent of the EU, authors introduced troopers cloned from templates different from the original Jango Fett, and additionally, a fair amount of stormtroopers who were just guys in a armor. Basically it's a mix.

 

[RougeAvenger81]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Has that actually been proven one way or the other? I remember reading somewhere that they were a mix of clones and non-clones. This maybe non-canon either way we look at it now as we've never really seen under the lid in a SW movie.

If stuff like Battlefront etc are considered cannon then I'd say yes it has been addressed. The story line of Battlefront II followed the 501st through order 66 and later past the clone wars into OT. Right after order 66 was given in the game the narrative explained (I don't remember the exact verbiage) that after the Clone Wars ended the 501st was the last of his kind and a new breed of soldier was made/grown with varying traits so they were not all the same. Then later opening things up to new recruits to give the Empire a fresh start/look. It didn't sit well with the clones, but it was done regardless.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Bear in mind that there were countless battle droids in operation and millions/billions more clones could have been created in the 30 years between Sith and Hope. We were never really given a time frame on how long it takes to make a clone.

Actually we were. When Obi-Wan arrives on Kamino in his hunt for Jango Fett, he apprises the Kaminoan Prime Minister of Syfodias' death nearly ten years earlier. Syfodias is the one who "placed the order" for the clones with the Kaminoans the decade prior. At Obi-Wan's arrival, the first batch of clones is ready, so it takes about ten years to process a clone. However, the need for clones, as addressed elsewhere in this thread, is pretty much obviated by initiating conscription of "regular" people into the Imperial services. Either way, it would take a gargantuan number of people to man an army and navy of Imperial proportions. A very great deal more than were at Endor.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If stuff like Battlefront etc are considered cannon then I'd say yes it has been addressed. The story line of Battlefront II followed the 501st through order 66 and later past the clone wars into OT. Right after order 66 was given in the game the narrative explained (I don't remember the exact verbiage) that after the Clone Wars ended the 501st was the last of his kind and a new breed of soldier was made/grown with varying traits so they were not all the same. Then later opening things up to new recruits to give the Empire a fresh start/look. It didn't sit well with the clones, but it was done regardless.

Battlefront is NOT canon.

 

[Larry T]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

http://www.cinelinx.com/movie-news/...wars-episode-vii-goes-back-to-the-desert.html

Picture of Pinewood set.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As I understand it, in early Star Wars related publications, the stormtroopers were "clones grown in tanks" (like Vader got his suit because he "fell into a volcano" during his duel with Obi Wan). With the advent of the EU, authors introduced troopers cloned from templates different from the original Jango Fett, and additionally, a fair amount of stormtroopers who were just guys in a armor. Basically it's a mix.

Also, NOT considered canon. Dave Filloni right now is the only man working in a pre-OT era, so what he puts in Rebels will BE canon in regards to this issue. And as I posted above, his Stormtroopers are conscripted soldiers or graduates of a military academy.

 

[JBReplicas]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

The Stormtroopers are still Imperial troops for the same reason we didn't see post-war France wearing German helmets after WW2. The Stormtroopers terrorized planets' populations for over 20 years, so they aren't the mostly friendly face to put on your military.

They terrorised planets populations as Clone's and in the OT Stormtrooper armour yes, but this is all new stuff. Also they were led by a twisted, evil dictator with a lightsaber, does that mean they would welcome all Jedi with open arms?

 

[Treadwell]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

GL said they were a mixture of clones and conscripts in one of the DVD commentaries.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

GL said they were a mixture of clones and conscripts in one of the DVD commentaries.

Yeah he's said that several times. I think GL overrules Filoni. The sad part of that is that we have to assume that the Emperor's line about having an entire legion of his best troops on Endor means that they were direct Jango lineage and they still got beat by the Ewoks. I'm guessing elite units were still using the best clone template(s) at that point.

There was a SW book (I think the Imperial Commando book) where they (Republic Commandos with T visor helmet) were issued the ANH style helmets and they were complaining about how inferior they were and they couldn't see anything.

 

[rodneyfaile]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

They just signed up to pay for college.

 

[Vivek]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Edgar Wright to be part of the Star Wars universe. Directing one of the spin off films or perhaps Episode IX?

https://twitter.com/edgarwright/status/501572808162304000/photo/1
edgarwright: Star Wars spoiler. We are getting married.

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

As long has he dosnt plan it for ten years then end up not making it.

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Yes.... and (mostly) no. TPM and AotC chronicled Palpatine's rise to power - he was not an oppressive overlord until arguably the end RotS. The prequel saga - while specifically about the fall of Anakin and birth of Vader is also about a Senator's rise to Chancellor and then to Emperor - and about his manipulations both as Palpatine and as Darth Sidious...

Ah, you're right; the Republic was in control (for the most part) in Episodes I and II while Palpatine was still gaining power in the senate. My mistake.

Stormtoopers in the OT are not clones.

They may or may not have been, but I think Lucas attempted to imply they were in A New Hope because they used the same voice actor for all of the Stormtroopers in the original theatrical version. Of course, that doesn't explain why they're not all the exact same height, but what are ya' gonna' do when you're working with limited time on a limited budget?

 

[Darth Rycbar]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

They may or may not have been, but I think Lucas attempted to imply they were in A New Hope because they used the same voice actor for all of the Stormtroopers in the original theatrical version. Of course, that doesn't explain why they're not all the exact same height, but what are ya' gonna' do when you're working with limited time on a limited budget?

This is probably from the EU, which would make it not canon, but I've heard that other than the 501st, the Stormtroopers were mostly either hired or cloned from other Stormtroopers (who were not Jango clones). I don't know where this was from, this is just the explanation I've heard.

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

On the commentary Lucas said the Jango head bang on the door was evidence the storm trooper who head banged on the death star was a clone of his.

 

[Falk]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Really? Are you guys still discussing whether or not Stormtroopers are clones or enlisted?



It is evident that every single trooper (and other Imperial personnel sic!) we saw in Star Wars (that is the OOT to be precise) has a different figure. All that SE / EI-III / West End Games and later secondary / EU stuff is what it is: Stuff. And please do not come with "George Lucas said"... is there anything more revisionist in this world than this guy actually? Come on!

BTW, why should it matter if oiginal Stormtroopers were clowns (pun intended)?

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I'll be sure to run any future conversations past you first.

 

[Darth Lars]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Should this thread really be the "Generic Star Wars banter" thread? Really?
How about we discuss the new movie in this thread and talk about the old movies in other threads.

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

We were, but its hard to talk about the new movie without referencing the old ones.

Especially when there are stormtroopers in the new film, if anything the only off topic post lately was yours telling us we were off topic.

And the last bit of this one.