Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I think it's more a matter of semantic's and intentions. You're a Sith if the reigning Sith lord takes you on as his/her apprentice and says you're one. You have to be brought into the fold and presumably would be taught more and different things than an acolyte or inquisitor would be. Teaching someone to harness their force potential and taking them as an ally is different from taking them fully into your confidence with the idea that they will one day kill you and proceed to carry on the Sith mantle or die trying. In the EU there were all kinds of Force based orders with different philosophies and approaches. Using similar powers from a universal wellspring wouldn't necessarily make them part of the same organization.

I see your point... just as force sensitive kids could use a limited amount of special abilities (i.e., young Anakin before he was discovered) doesn't make one a Jedi master... even a Padawan isn't noted as a Jedi... and just as Yoda said, "My own counsel will I keep on who is to be trained." would mean there were maybe a good many force potential users that were excused from ever going any further with the Jedi training schools... so hence, dark side evil force users only trained just enough to be useful allies but not actual Sith Lords... cool, thanks!

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But none of this explains why he has Sith eyes.

I think it's more a matter of semantic's and intentions. You're a Sith if the reigning Sith lord takes you on as his/her apprentice and says you're one. You have to be brought into the fold and presumably would be taught more and different things than an acolyte or inquisitor would be. Teaching someone to harness their force potential and taking them as an ally is different from taking them fully into your confidence with the idea that they will one day kill you and proceed to carry on the Sith mantle or die trying. In the EU there were all kinds of Force based orders with different philosophies and approaches. Using similar powers from a universal wellspring wouldn't necessarily make them part of the same organization.

 

[bh1138]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

But none of this explains why he has Sith eyes.

Fair enough, but I've never seen those as linked to a specific teaching like the Sith. In my opinion, it's supposed to be a physical manifestation/side effect of tapping into the Dark Side to a high degree. We see them come and go on Anakin in RotS, and while he's technically been accepted as a Sith, Palpatine has yet to teach him anything. His eyes dont turn in the office immediately when he is dubbed Darth Vader. It's only when he fully lets go of his restraint and is immersed in the Dark Side to slaughter the CIS leaders that they go yellow, and they are back to normal when he's crying on the balcony.Not so much a Sith thing, but a "fully fueled by anger and fully committed to the evil you're committing" thing IMO.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Right, but still not associated with any other Force-user or acolyte of the Force but the Sith...

Just another one of the "anomalies" we have to consider with the unfolding of the SW saga I guess...

Not so much a Sith thing, but a "fully fueled by anger and fully committed to the evil you're committing" thing IMO.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I found the perfect updated Stormtrooper blaster to go with that helmet...

 

[jcoffman99]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That was so much fun. Loved me some Lazer Tag.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Almost looks like a Scout Trooper pistol...

I found the perfect updated Stormtrooper blaster to go with that helmet...
http://i.imgur.com/SLUagPt.jpg

 

[seelsa73]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Spoiler

I also thought inquisitors in E7 had been debunked a while ago as well

That's what I thought too. Although at that time the were called Jedi hunters

 

[Zombie_61]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

A lot of folks are saying the Empire is still around and active in VII and this bugs me. This is all based on speculation and VII rumors.

For 30 years, we've lived with Return of the Jedi being the end of the Star Wars saga... for thirty years we've lived with the idea that death of Palpatine and Vader with the destruction of the Death Star (and parts of the Imperial Fleet) signaled the fall of the Empire and the beginning of a new republic. ...and now, that might be all a lie.

We've lost our "happy ending" and the closing of the Anakin Skywalker saga if this holds true. We've lost the "perfect" circle of the story (even if you didn't like the prequels, there was full cycle of a story there). (I understand that I can ignore this sequel series like many choose to ignore the prequels. We will still have the OT and this doesn't change that.).

I realize that the end of RotJ didn't necessarily mean the end of the rule of the Imperial leaders - but, it symbolized that end. I'm sure there were parts of the Empire that held fast and some needed help to get rid of the remnants of the Empire. But, that's not what Star Wars was about - RotJ showed us what should've been enough of an ending of the Empire...

This is obviously subject to interpretation. I never took the ending of Return of the Jedi as the end of the Empire, but as the end to the Empire as they knew it under Palpatine's/Sidious' command. For example, if you equate the Empire to the U.S. Government (something Lucas was clearly trying to do in the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion), it would be like eliminating the President and the Vice President--the Government wouldn't fall to pieces, they would simply install two new people as President and Vice President in the chain of command. Now, whether that change of power would make things better, worse, or have no noticeable effect is a different matter, and I think that's what we can expect to see in Episodes VII, VIII, and IX with regards to the Empire--business as usual with new people in charge. The Empire's focus, intent, and methodologies might have changed slightly, but essentially it'll be the same old Empire we're already familiar with.

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

For example, if you equate the Empire to the U.S. Government (something Lucas was clearly trying to do in the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion),

This was something G.L. was doing as early as Episode IV, with his disdain for Nixon and such...

 

[JD]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

This is obviously subject to interpretation. I never took the ending of Return of the Jedi as the end of the Empire, but as the end to the Empire as they knew it under Palpatine's/Sidious' command. For example, if you equate the Empire to the U.S. Government (something Lucas was clearly trying to do in the Prequel Trilogy, in my opinion), it would be like eliminating the President and the Vice President--the Government wouldn't fall to pieces, they would simply install two new people as President and Vice President in the chain of command. Now, whether that change of power would make things better, worse, or have no noticeable effect is a different matter, and I think that's what we can expect to see in Episodes VII, VIII, and IX with regards to the Empire--business as usual with new people in charge. The Empire's focus, intent, and methodologies might have changed slightly, but essentially it'll be the same old Empire we're already familiar with.

It's storytelling 101. There's an strong ending to the Star Wars saga... it's Return of the Jedi. Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine are dead and so is the Empire. It's a logical conclusion... it's simple, direct and quite basic.

I'm not saying that this was the absolute end; but, like the Clone Wars it's the little skirmishes and battles that needn't be seen onscreen. If these rumors are true - and the Empire is still around, kicking and a dominant force in that Galaxy... well, Anakin's sacrifice was in vain and it might be seen as lessening the previous six films.

This isn't the government, this is Star Wars. Very possible and strongly likely Palpatine had back-up plans in place... but, again: like the Clone Wars, this is best seen in secondary material. Coming back 30 years later to this (rumored) mess just negates a lot of the past work and just sounds like poor work from JJ and crew.

 

[Zenwalker]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I also was kind of hoping these new films would not involve the Empire any longer. I would prefer to see something new and fresh, a new threat or combined threat of some kind, not the Empire again. Judging from the pics it looks like Stormtroopers are going to be in Episode VI, so it definitely seems like the Empire will again be the main threat. And I agree with some, that if it is the Empire the rebels are still fighting it negates to some extent what happened in the OT, especially Jedi.

As for the new look of the Stormtrooper helmet, if that is indeed what it is, my first reaction was that the overall shape of the helmet looked a bit like a motorcycle helmet. I like some of the detailing on it like the floating nose section and the blacked out areas on the side, but I think the chin area should curve in after the mouth and should also have more details on that area like the original helmet (ie grill and vocoders or something). Would also like to see some 'teeth' in the mouth area, to me that's what made the Stormtroopers look mean. It is also a bit too sleek and 'futuristic' looking. Overall I guess it is OK, I would prefer if they were more true to McQuarrie's concept trooper designs. I still definitely like the original Stormtooper helmets the most, they are iconic, but maybe over time these new helmets will grow on me.

 

[Jaitea]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I remember saying this before, probably on this thread, that I think they could go with the way our history played out

The design & aesthetics of the Galactic Empire are borrowed heavily from Nazi Germany,...the Rebel's are a mixed species alliance,....similar to the Allied Force in WWII

After the defeat of Hitler the war still continued for a while with still a huge loss of lives until the end of the war in the Pacific

The use of German science & technology were used by sections of the Allies after the war, forcing mistrust by members of the Alliance,....sections of the Alliance became sworn enemies very quickly

......so couldn't the Alliance have eventually inherited the Imperial Navy, removed the need for faceless Troopers,....but slowly a rot & mistrust has split the Alliance.....and now 30 years later there is a sect that uses the fear & control of the Empire to try & regain power

......crazy idea?

J

 

[Edwardowan]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I like it! makes sense and is quite a realistic progression of political parties...

I remember saying this before, probably on this thread, that I think they could go with the way our history played out

The design & aesthetics of the Galactic Empire are borrowed heavily from Nazi Germany,...the Rebel's are a mixed species alliance,....similar to the Allied Force in WWII

After the defeat of Hitler the war still continued for a while with still a huge loss of lives until the end of the war in the Pacific

The use of German science & technology were used by sections of the Allies after the war, forcing mistrust by members of the Alliance,....sections of the Alliance became sworn enemies very quickly

......so couldn't the Alliance have eventually inherited the Imperial Navy, removed the need for faceless Troopers,....but slowly a rot & mistrust has split the Alliance.....and now 30 years later there is a sect that uses the fear & control of the Empire to try & regain power

......crazy idea?

J

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

If it is true about Han and Chewie on a star destroyer, I hope that is the opening, not the stupid hand light sabre thing.

Imagine if it started much like star wars, with the star destroyer coming in from the top of the screen, but this time above it, not below, and when you reached the bridge, and could see through the window, their Han is, in charge of the thing.

Double mind **** if they are actually chasing the falcon.

 

[hansicle]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I think it would be funny if they capture it like the blockade runner, bring the pilot to the bridge, only to find out it's Han in the star destroyer and his kid being the one in the Falcon, after Han's son took it out for a joy ride and never brought it back....

 

[glunark]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

That would be awesome.

 

[hansicle]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I can just see him telling his son " Just wait until your mother finds out! She once killed a Hutt with her bare hands, you know how mad she can get!"

 

[JBReplicas]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

So we see a photo of a Stormtrooper helmet, why does this necessarily mean that they are Imperial forces? Although I think we WILL see remnants of the Empire, these could also be new republic troops, the Clones were originally a force for good remember.

 

[Bryancd]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Perhaps cooler heads can prevail...

http://www.starwars7news.com/2014/08/latest-star-wars-episode-7-rumors-another-point-of-view.html