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I have never bought the idea that the empire could exist after Jedi. It undermines the entire series.

But, the members of the empire and their war machines still exist. So it could be fractured, co-opted, twisted. Stargate did a similar idea when the goauld ended. Their army and tech was taken over by the lucient alliance.

With this notion, there wouldn't even need to be much of an empire redesign. These factions could still be scavenging 30 year old military technology.


As an aside, the thought of Vader's light saber still existing got me thinking: why was there a conduit shaft to the reactor core going through palatine's chamber?
Isn't that like a CEO having a maintenance closet for the furnace room next to his desk?
 
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As an aside, the thought of Vader's light saber still existing got me thinking: why was there a conduit shaft to the reactor core going through palatine's chamber?
Isn't that like a CEO having a maintenance closet for the furnace room next to his desk?

that was pretty darn convenient for Luke/Vader wasn't it? :D And being so force sensitive to not foresee the impending doom and destruction of the Death Star to make a quick run to his personal escape pod? (if he had one?) I guess his focus on Luke and destroying him kept Palpatine from realizing he and Vader were going to be Dead within minutes! So much for "I have foreseen it!" :D
 
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Heck, if Luke timed it well he could have jumped down and gotten a ride out with the falcon!
 
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It's storytelling 101. There's an strong ending to the Star Wars saga... it's Return of the Jedi. Anakin Skywalker and Palpatine are dead and so is the Empire. It's a logical conclusion... it's simple, direct and quite basic...
I don't disagree. But now that they're continuing the story they have to address and re-examine that "ending". Having an oppressive "overlord" like Palpatine and the Empire has been a consistent theme throughout the existing six movies, so it's reasonable for them to continue that in the upcoming movies.

... I'm not saying that this was the absolute end; but, like the Clone Wars it's the little skirmishes and battles that needn't be seen onscreen. If these rumors are true - and the Empire is still around, kicking and a dominant force in that Galaxy... well, Anakin's sacrifice was in vain and it might be seen as lessening the previous six films...
Ah, but Anakin's/Vader's sacrifice prevented the Emperor from corrupting Luke and using him to do his (the Emperor's) bidding as he had done with Vader, so in that regard it wasn't in vain. In that moment, I'm not convinced Vader was thinking about the Empire at all; he was simply trying to save his son.

...This isn't the government, this is Star Wars. Very possible and strongly likely Palpatine had back-up plans in place...
Probably. He was convinced he would be victorious, but he wasn't so foolish that he couldn't have a contingency plan in place just in case. And if that's the approach they're going to take with the upcoming movies, it's very likely that contingency plan would be for the Empire to continue with his replacement continuing the work he had done.

...so couldn't the Alliance have eventually inherited the Imperial Navy, removed the need for faceless Troopers,....but slowly a rot & mistrust has split the Alliance.....and now 30 years later there is a sect that uses the fear & control of the Empire to try & regain power...
This approach could make for more interesting storytelling--this sect has slowly been growing and gaining power over the years, and it's emergence forces Luke to get directly involved again.

that was pretty darn convenient for Luke/Vader wasn't it? :D And being so force sensitive to not foresee the impending doom and destruction of the Death Star to make a quick run to his personal escape pod? (if he had one?) I guess his focus on Luke and destroying him kept Palpatine from realizing he and Vader were going to be Dead within minutes! So much for "I have foreseen it!" :D
If, as was seen in the Prequel Trilogy, the Dark Side could prevent the Jedi from seeing the future clearly, why couldn't the Light Side prevent the Sith from seeing the future clearly? Palpatine/Sidious was arrogant and overly confident, so those traits could have blinded him and kept him from seeing (or acknowledging) that the "future" he saw might not come to pass.
 
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If true, I don't care for the rumor that Luke has been a captive of the bad guys for 30 years. The man had just defeated or helped to defeat the two most powerful people in the galaxy but he can't get away from a few bad guys? Come on. Although to be fair, it does make a whole hell of a lot more sense than him abandoning the galaxy he just saved and going into hiding for that same period of time.
 
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The only way Luke could be held that long would be if he agreed with the reasoning for him being taken.

With no sith and only one Jedi, maybe you take the Jedi out of the equation, and there never needs to be another sith.
 
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If true, I don't care for the rumor that Luke has been a captive of the bad guys for 30 years. The man had just defeated or helped to defeat the two most powerful people in the galaxy but he can't get away from a few bad guys? Come on. Although to be fair, it does make a whole hell of a lot more sense than him abandoning the galaxy he just saved and going into hiding for that same period of time.


perhaps those that need to know where he is know... but he's laying low because he knows there is a bounty on his head.... imagine the bounty hunters out wanting to bring in the last Jedi, the one that blew up the first Death Star, and later supposedly killed Vader and assassinated the Emperor. (rumor probably spread about what was thought to have happened on that battle station but no one would actually know the real events or that Luke was Vader's son except Leia and even she would want that to be kept secret perhaps...)
so he trains new jedi pupils at a secret location.
 
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maybe the whole thing is orchestrated to give fans false rumors to keep them off the trail as long as possible :)
 
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maybe the whole thing is orchestrated to give fans false rumors to keep them off the trail as long as possible :)

much of this reminds me of all the plot and character rumors that went around during the prequel era... in the end 97% was all bullcrap made up by fan sites to drive people to their sites, blogs etc. Much of this is the same I would imagine. I do like the idea of Luke on the run or in hiding and being sought out with a high reward for his capture though. Very "western" space cowboy stuff! :D
 
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Question that bothers me: if the Empire was defeated in ROTJ, why do we see new Stormtroopers ware? I mean, new helmet/armour and possibly weapons. Who's responsible for producing those? Wouldn't they've kept their old "uniform"?...maybe it's just me:rolleyes
 
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Question that bothers me: if the Empire was defeated in ROTJ, why do we see new Stormtroopers ware? I mean, new helmet/armour and possibly weapons. Who's responsible for producing those? Wouldn't they've kept their old "uniform"?...maybe it's just me:rolleyes

I don't think the Empire was defeated. Dealt a healthy blow maybe, but not defeated. It would be hard to have bought this even in 1983.
 
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I don't think the Empire was defeated. Dealt a healthy blow maybe, but not defeated. It would be hard to have bought this even in 1983.

From both a narrative standpoint as well as a reasonable in world assumption, the continuation of aspects of the Galactic Empire still being viable 30 years after ROTJ makes sense and provides a varied source of potential plots that are worth exploring.
 
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From both a narrative standpoint as well as a reasonable in world assumption, the continuation of aspects of the Galactic Empire still being viable 30 years after ROTJ makes sense and provides a varied source of potential plots that are worth exploring.

I agree. For an "Empire" that spanned millions of worlds across an entire galaxy, the notion that one, singular battle at Endor could have crippled this establishment is ludicrous. Yes, that's what we were fed at the end of ROTJ, but realistically, it just doesn't wash. Along with a trove of other things that are suspect in this saga. Such as the abysmal number of Clones that were being produced on Kamino to fortify the Republic Army. "Two hundred thousand units are ready, with a million more well on the way." Seems like a large number, but the U.S. in WWII had sixteen million people in the service; an army/navy in the Empire of SW would need TRILLIONS of soldiers to cover the territory held under sway by the Empire. One battle at Endor could hardly have been decisive. I think it was G.L.'s tiredness that brought the saga to a close, and not the defeat of an Empire. :)
 
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I agree. For an "Empire" that spanned millions of worlds across an entire galaxy, the notion that one, singular battle at Endor could have crippled this establishment is ludicrous. Yes, that's what we were fed at the end of ROTJ, but realistically, it just doesn't wash. Along with a trove of other things that are suspect in this saga. Such as the abysmal number of Clones that were being produced on Kamino to fortify the Republic Army. "Two hundred thousand units are ready, with a million more well on the way." Seems like a large number, but the U.S. in WWII had sixteen million people in the service; an army/navy in the Empire of SW would need TRILLIONS of soldiers to cover the territory held under sway by the Empire. One battle at Endor could hardly have been decisive. I think it was G.L.'s tiredness that brought the saga to a close, and not the defeat of an Empire. :)


Not to mention the film was called Return of the Jedi not The End of the Empire... it was about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker via the love and sacrifice of Luke. With the death of the emperor the tides have turned.. but by how much? The opening crawl will reveal quite a lot I'm sure! can't wait!
 
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Not to mention the film was called Return of the Jedi not The End of the Empire... it was about the redemption of Anakin Skywalker via the love and sacrifice of Luke. With the death of the emperor the tides have turned.. but by how much? The opening crawl will reveal quite a lot I'm sure! can't wait!

Right. I think the Emperor's death probably helped to turn the tide a bit, but not by a great deal. In Nazi Germany there were any number of wannabes that fancied themselves the replacement of Hitler upon his demise, and I'm sure there would have to have been the same thing in this Galactic Empire.

God knows I'm trying to spare myself the spoilers of this movie, but I'm just as eager for the opening crawl of Ep. VII as anyone!! :D
 
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So we see a photo of a Stormtrooper helmet, why does this necessarily mean that they are Imperial forces? Although I think we WILL see remnants of the Empire, these could also be new republic troops, the Clones were originally a force for good remember.

The Stormtroopers are still Imperial troops for the same reason we didn't see post-war France wearing German helmets after WW2. The Stormtroopers terrorized planets' populations for over 20 years, so they aren't the mostly friendly face to put on your military.
 
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The emporer's role in the survival of the imperial army should not be overlooked.

He created it. He used propaganda to ensure its existence. He manipulates the government so that he had absolute control...and then he dismantled the government.

It seems to me that once he's gone, it would fall into disarray
 
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But the good thing about evil armies is there will always be someone to take over. Plenty of Moffs out there that would love to lead an empire.
 
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