Actually you can, as the same sources provided rumors which became manifest as spoilers from the 2 trailers and BTS footage. Months before anyone saw those images, they were described exactly on these web sites. So since their veracity has proven true, why would they suddenly get everything wrong? They have gotten some wrong, but nothing really major. And no one yet knows the true lineage of Rey, Finn, and even though it's looking like 95% certain, Kylo. And Snoke, forget it, not one good bit of rumor. So this isn't people throwing stuff up hoping it sticks.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Spoilers)
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Actually you can, as the same sources provided rumors which became manifest as spoilers from the 2 trailers and BTS footage. Months before anyone saw those images, they were described exactly on these web sites. So since their veracity has proven true, why would they suddenly get everything wrong? They have gotten some wrong, but nothing really major. And no one yet knows the true lineage of Rey, Finn, and even though it's looking like 95% certain, Kylo. And Snoke, forget it, not one good bit of rumor. So this isn't people throwing stuff up hoping it sticks.
seelsa73
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I'm not going to get back into this discussion again. You can believe whatever you like about these "spoilers." For my part, I don't take any "leaked" info as legit until I see it in the film itself and you're not going to convince me otherwise. So let's cut it off here eh?
That's fine, but why are you even posting in this thread?! There is another thread spoiler free. The entire point of this thread is to discuss rumors, many of which have been 100% accurate. Why come in here only to say to don't believe any of it? How is that discussing spoilers? And you have to recognize that the veracity of previous rumors is being proven correct all the time. How do we know that picture of Luke is real? You seem to accept that bu reject things like Han dying, cognitive dissonance.
I'll give you a good example. The sequence of events, from Finn's decision to leave the First Order, Poe's capture, and their combined escape from the SD in a 2 person TIE was described in decent detail a while back. When the second teaser was released I immediately recognized the TIE blasting troopers in a hanger bay to be the escape sequence that was described. Even the design of the ship was correctly described. Then it the BTS stuff we see Poe being escorted somewhat haphazardly and quickly by a somewhat short ST, Poe and Finn making their way to the hanger. Then in the ET Weekly stills we get Finn standing next to the crashed TIE, still in his armor. This was also described and now we look back and likely that scene is also the first shot in the first teaser where Finn pops up. All that's missing to give 100% veracity to the rumors is Poe ejecting from the TIE prior to the crash and that's why Finn is alone.
Some stuff came from concept art, like Vader's helmet, flame troopers, etc, but when you have a piece of concept art you still need to decide what is real and what is not, I acknowledge that. But otherwise the few sites that have been consistently reporting spoilers have a solid track record and Han's death was reported from multiple sources unlike Luke's death or Luke being a Sith, that was only one source that had no real idea.
Some stuff came from concept art, like Vader's helmet, flame troopers, etc, but when you have a piece of concept art you still need to decide what is real and what is not, I acknowledge that. But otherwise the few sites that have been consistently reporting spoilers have a solid track record and Han's death was reported from multiple sources unlike Luke's death or Luke being a Sith, that was only one source that had no real idea.
seelsa73
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Never once have I said no rumor being reported is 100% guaranteed inaccurate. Even JJ admitted that some of the rumors floating around are true and some aren't. In fact, I can believe the sequence of events you describe that were at first just rumors are true. It certainly fits with what we've seen in trailers/bts footage. In the same vein, I can believe the picture of Luke is real vs. Han dying because I can see him with my own two eyes, and it's a picture, not a drawing. It could still turn out that that's just costume test and isn't actually the one he'll be wearing. And it could turn out that Han dies at the end before ever seeing Luke, or he could live to be in the next movie.
I'm here because I'm curious what the rumors are and which ones come to pass and which don't. And while I'm here, why can't I make a comment or two? It's not like I'm attacking anyone for believing rumors that I don't think are true...I'm not trying to advance an agenda by making outrageous claims. I'm certainly not trying to upset anyone. I'm just a fan trying to interact with other fans.
By all means.
I'm do a lot of analysis as part of my job a lot of which is based on speculation. When certain things align properly I fell confidant referring to them as a truth and act accordingly. So when I look at all times his in its totality, a clear image emerges. When I say Han is going to die its moved from conjecture to nearly fact in my mind. Fortunately for the rest of you, you don't have to live in my mind. Debating these "truths" is also ainteracting with fans in a thread dedicated to speculation. If you had posted this in the non-spoiler thread I would never challenge it, but here it's Spoiler Thinderdome.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
I'm all for spoilers and rumors, but it's difficult to take them at face value until the final film is out.
Personally, I fit more into the "these are the rumors, this is why some are more likely than others, take them for what they're worth" camp.
It feels awfully masturbatory to go around and around on the same topics though - ie will Han make it or not. We all know the rumor at this point, the back and forth just doesn't go anywhere til we have the movie.
Personally, I fit more into the "these are the rumors, this is why some are more likely than others, take them for what they're worth" camp.
It feels awfully masturbatory to go around and around on the same topics though - ie will Han make it or not. We all know the rumor at this point, the back and forth just doesn't go anywhere til we have the movie.
jkno
Legendary Member
Exactly. I enjoy reading ahead what might happen in a movie, so I love spoilers. But until we watch the movie all these spoilers are just rumors, some may become true in the end, some not.
I also think anyone interested in the rumors and spoilers participating in this thread can use these to help set expectations closer to what the finished product is going to be and begin to adjust their own head canon. We all have a wish list if what we want to see but we know we won't have complete wish fulfillment. Having a few months to think about what we are potentially going to get as opposed to what we are hoping to get can make the actual experience of seeing the film much more enjoyable. Recent case in point for me was Prometheus. I went in spoiled as much as I could be and enjoyed the film. Others who went in looking for an ALIEN prequel were hugely dissapointed. I wanted what they wanted but was able to adjust my expectations and appreciate what was actually made instead of being upset about what wasn't made.
Do I want Han to die? No. Do I want to only see Luke at the end and not have a scene with the Big 3 all together? No. But if it serves an amazing story, which reading these spoilers it is becoming clear this movie is going to be amazing, I am in 100%.
Do I want Han to die? No. Do I want to only see Luke at the end and not have a scene with the Big 3 all together? No. But if it serves an amazing story, which reading these spoilers it is becoming clear this movie is going to be amazing, I am in 100%.
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This may have been speculated... Has anyone considered that Captain Phasma (Chrome Trooper) might turn sides and eventually become a Resistance fighter? Might make for an interesting plot twist.
This may have been speculated... Has anyone considered that Captain Phasma (Chrome Trooper) might turn sides and eventually become a Resistance fighter? Might make for an interesting plot twist.
Yeah we know nothing about her yet. We don't even know if we will see her without her helmet. Could be a little to close to Finn's journey but maybe by Ep. 9 she becomes a more grey character.
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Knowing nothing is part of fun of speculating... I mentioned this a while back. I think it would be so funny for Han to purposely knock the square radar dish off of the MF while flying through the SSD. Rey yells at Han "what the heck!" he turns and says the only way HS can "I didn't like it!" WHOOOOSH!
Back to Phasma. Your connection to Finn is interesting. A sub plot / bounty hunter style character to go after Finn for turning away from the First Order. I like it!
Back to Phasma. Your connection to Finn is interesting. A sub plot / bounty hunter style character to go after Finn for turning away from the First Order. I like it!
That's actually not what I meant but I like it! I meant Finn turns from ST to good guy and for her to do it may be a little redundant in the films.
Prometheus is a film I hated not because it wasn't a direct prequel to ALIEN, but because it took something that was truly 'alien' to me and said "Nope. It was a suit the whole time worn by a human." That to me was way worse than Star Wars introducing midi-chlorians. Despite diving right in with such low expectations, there wasn't anything really good about the film to like even on it's own merits. And I'm not afraid to say that the lead female character, Shaw, was an abomination. She should not have been a scientist.
But for Star Wars: The Force Awakens? I can't think of anything to outright hate about it, and it's not looking like it will be as bad as the prequels. If the issues I've made well aware of are completely subverted, I guess the biggest thing I would worry about is how the film deals with morality. I still think the idea of Anakin being so easily redeemed at the the end ROTJ is very, very wrong. He did a good act, but dying was less of a sacrifice and more about getting off the hook. Also, 'certain points of view' is not going to cut it anymore. Characters should be held responsible for their actions, not shrugged off by some nonsense like "Oh, that wasn't Anakin. It was Darth Vader. Don't blame one for other's deeds." And ROTJ ended with our heroes maintaining a solid love connection with individuals and still keeping it cool. So here's hoping no more "Everything is a path to the dark side" schtick.
And for the record, I'm not against Han dying. I'm against him dying poorly. Like Kirk dying from a bridge not built to code, or Cyclops dying because no one knew what to do with him, or Tasha Yar's two deaths that come off more as after thoughts. And having a long drawn out death doesn't always equal a good death either. Wash's harsh and sudden death in Serenity is still 500x more effective and emotional than Trinity's long drawn out death from Revolutions.
matty matt
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You think this guy saw this thread and then wrote this article? I haven't heard this anywhere else.
http://ryan-leston.tumblr.com/post/127149438869/jj-abrams-reveals-his-favourite-star-wars-7
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