Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Spoilers)
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That to me looks a lot like the concept art, for ROTJ I think, of the Emperor's throne being in a lave filled cave.
As for Luke, I don't think that scene with Vader meant that Luke forgave Vader at all. I think what people miss is that Obi Wan, Yoda, and probably Luke clearly distinguish between Anakin Skywalker and Vader as two different people. So Luke was glad that Anakin was back, not that he was forgiving Vader. I'm sure if he had lived Vader would definitely have been tried for his crimes and Anakin would have to take the punishment.
DakGibralter
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I also think that Anakin's redemption makes a lot more sense in the context of the OT alone, when Vader was really just a powerful force in the Empire with a mysterious past and the deaths of a handful of rebel soldiers and a few of his own men on his record (Tarkin and the Emperor bear most of the responsibility for any mass murder). I agree his redemption is a little empty when he has the blood of dozens of PT women and children (and two full films where he's transparently a jerk) on his hands. If the PT had actually been made before the OT, I think Vader's death (and Luke and Leia's reaction to it) would by necessity need to be quite different than it plays in ROTJ.
To bring it back around to TFA, I'll be interested to see what from the PT is incorporated, and how it will play. Obviously they'll need to respect the PT as it is still canon and to many people an equally important storyline (if not in execution).
If we see any characters go from the dark side to the light, or vice versa, I'll be interested to see what this trilogy makes of that, and how it expects its audience to judge it. The OT portrayed the difference between light and dark a distance that anyone could travel under the right circumstances, but the PT made it seem all too fatalistic - even if we didn't already know Anakin's fate, we'd know very early on that he had a one-way ticket to the dark side and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon would never even question their light-sidedness. Obi-Wan says in ROTS, "Only a Sith deals in absolutes," but the difference between light and dark in the PT seems absolute, polarized and obvious. I love that Luke's and Vader's struggles with the other side, especially with regard to each other, seems palpable, tempting and real, even though we as the audience know what is wrong and right. I'm really hoping for that kind of ambivalence in this new trilogy.
I think simply addressing the nature of negative emotions and how to deal with them would probably be the biggest thing this new trilogy. These feelings are not some magical anomaly that instantly causes people to turn evil, they're a natural part of how biology works! And if the Force is truly with us all, how do you explain the entire galaxy's population who get married, have kids and go on long, strenuous journeys while thinking strongly of their loved ones? It just doesn't make sense. Let's just have someone talk about what to do when you get mad, jealous or even sad. What can you do to make it worse, and what can you do to make it better. Just don't fall on the "____ is a path to the dark side" shenanigans. I don't buy it!
Reelo
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JBReplicas
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The point about Vader forcing Leia to watch the destruction of her home world doesn't hold up, it was Tarkin's idea and it was he who gave the order to destroy Alderaan. Vader used the mind probe on her, that's about it.
When it comes to Alderaan's destruction, Darth Vader is definitely an accessory to it. He may not have given the order but he sure as fudge was 100% for it. The dude grabbed Leia and held her in place while it all happened! I doubt he was giving her a reassuring rub on the shoulder.
Riceball
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You have a point but at the same time it wasn't that big of a deal, I'm not saying that watching your homeworld get blown up isn't a big deal just that Vader holding her there was that big of a deal. I always took it that he held here there so that she couldn't turn away and had to watch and it wasn't anything special about that act that really required Vader to do it, it could easily have been a pair of Stormtroopers or those black helmeted troops. The way I see it, throughout ANH Vader was mainly acting as Tarkin's muscle and pet attack dog and not really in charge of anything, Tarkin was the man in charge and Vader was there to make sure that people did what Tarkin wanted and "encourage" them if needed.
DARKSIDE72
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Real or fake? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaICot0iTLQ
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Watch the destruction scene again. Tarkin's standing a little forward when he gives the order. Leia whimpers 'no' and lunges for him. That's when Vader grabs her and holds her back from, presumably, attacking Tarkin. Over the next couple seconds, Alderaan is destroyed, Leia can't look away out of horrified fascination, then it's over and she does turn away.
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OldKen
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100% REAL.
But it's a TEASER-teaser... LOL. Not the full trailer which is coming in the next week or so according to a few different sources, to be linked with the toy release...
But it's a TEASER-teaser... LOL. Not the full trailer which is coming in the next week or so according to a few different sources, to be linked with the toy release...
DARKSIDE72
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Be a pretty short trailer!!! :lol Finn with the saber is cool!!
JoMamma_Smurf
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I like the idea of a comforting shoulder rub....Someone needs to do a re-edit with vader's voice reassuring her "There there... it will be okay... they will only scream out in terror for a moment and be suddenly silenced..."
None of the spoilers have specifically said the Finalizer is destroyed but it likely is a casualty when Hux fires their super weapon and wipes out all the ships fighting in space above the planet, First Order included.
You'know I just had a crazy thought....what if the whole point of the film is they're trying to clone....Vader? what if that's Ren's whole thing is trying to get enough DNA to make a NEW Vader?
I know that cloning wasn't mentioned except in passing in the first three films but the tech DOES exist in their universe and we really don't know the standing of the clone troops so who knows? they could have still been using it in the first three for special troopers or it could be dead tech that's getting rediscovered.
Just a random thought that flew through my head while watching some Rebels trailers and Vader showing up and Ahsoka.
I know that cloning wasn't mentioned except in passing in the first three films but the tech DOES exist in their universe and we really don't know the standing of the clone troops so who knows? they could have still been using it in the first three for special troopers or it could be dead tech that's getting rediscovered.
Just a random thought that flew through my head while watching some Rebels trailers and Vader showing up and Ahsoka.
*Psycho music plays*
What?
*Thinks of CGI Jake Lloyd*
Huh....
*Thinks of Hayden Christiansen*
AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
For all we know Ren could be a Vader clone,it makes some sense if you think that Vader was the big nasty in the galaxy and if he was as much of a threat as they made/are making him out to be.
Palpy was the guy behind the chair and in the senate Vader was actively busting heads and taking names so who would YOU clone? as I know there was talk of Palpy coming back or getting cloned,but what if it's Vader instead?
That'd be kinda nuts.
Palpy was the guy behind the chair and in the senate Vader was actively busting heads and taking names so who would YOU clone? as I know there was talk of Palpy coming back or getting cloned,but what if it's Vader instead?
That'd be kinda nuts.
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