Darth Lars
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It is the name of a brand of smokeless e-cigarettes in Germany ...
I anticipate that I am going to call him "Snork" many times by mistake.
Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release) (Spoilers)
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I anticipate that I am going to call him "Snork" many times by mistake.
Anakin died redeemed, he was no longer a Sith. I took it as Anakin was so powerful in the Force he became a ghost without all the ancillary preparation.
I don't think that's implied at all!
glunark
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He kills three jedi almost instantly, and only plays at being defeated by Mace to make Anakin come to his aid, later on Yoda can't defeat him and is forced to retreat, he foresaw a time when Anakin would be stronger than him, but that ended when Anakin lost most of his limbs, its even implied that he created Anakin in the first place.
In the six films we have seen so far, who in your opinion is stronger in the force?
In the six films we have seen so far, who in your opinion is stronger in the force?
Anakin and eventually his son. Just because Sidious can use the Dark Side to defeat Jedi isn't how I define "power" in regards to the Force.
OldKen
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Only now... At the end... Do you understand where the PT FAILED YOU.
Jedi...
Just messin Bryan. But for real if the PT is cannon...
Then yeah... It's HEAVILY implied that sideous is more powerful than any living Jedi.
He even overpowered Anakin....
Jedi...
Just messin Bryan. But for real if the PT is cannon...
Then yeah... It's HEAVILY implied that sideous is more powerful than any living Jedi.
He even overpowered Anakin....
But again you are attributing that to fighting. Sidious fails, he dies, he doesn't find eternal life or becomes one with the Force. He's gone whereas Yoda, Anakin, Obi-wan, and even Qui-gon continue on in the Force. That's REAL power and that's exactly what is portrayed in the films. Good is always more powerful in evil if you believe in love and what is right. You guys have actually SEEN STAR WARS, right?
glunark
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Yeah, we saw most of the good jedi who believe in love and what's right be killed by one of their own, who after spending 30 years murdering Jedi, civilians, and his own men, kills his boss to save his son and is rewarded with eternal life in jedi heaven?
I would be a bit pissed off if I went to heaven and found Hitler was there, because in the last minute of his life he accepted ****** as his savoir.
I would be a bit pissed off if I went to heaven and found Hitler was there, because in the last minute of his life he accepted ****** as his savoir.
glunark
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Anakin couldn't even beat Obi Wan, and Luke only had two fights against a Sith, he lost the first one, and only won the second by turning part way to the dark side himself.
When he was the only force user left alive, sure he was the strongest then, but that was kind of by default.
But that is the very nature of FAITH. And the nature of forgiveness. You realize the Force has many religious connotations?
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Again, I don't qualify "POWER" in the Force with being able to kill someone. I don't think GL does either.
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harrisonp
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Really I think the whole force ghost thing is falling victim to retcons in the PT. It's almost certain that GL had a different back story in his head when he wrote the OT which leads to lapses in reason and certain plots feeling ridiculous upon reviewing. Watching the series numerically would absolutely make you question why this whiny kid who murders a bunch of kids, chokes his wife, and goes on to lead a ruthless life killing more people purely on a whim, would be able to redeem himself simply by deciding to kill his master (not an inherently Jedi thing to do either). Looking at the OT alone it does make sense that Anakin would become a force ghost because without the knowledge of the PT audiences just assume that Vader had choked a couple guys and redeemed himself which brought him back to the light and made him a ghost like Obi-Wan, which we could also assume is what happens to Jedi upon death.
glunark
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Well Palpatine was falling for a long time, he had plenty of time to repent for his sins too, and the blue dispersal of his body we saw in the films matches the colour of the force ghosts.
Faith is fine, but when it comes to star wars, the strongest level of canon is what we see in the films.
Even if you ignore the PT, in the OT we see two Jedi die and becomes force ghosts, with nothing else to base this on, we just assume it happens to all jedi, we see Anakin do the same as a Sith, so there is no reason to believe that Palpatine did not do the same, the EU of the time even confirmed this, although I know now that is no longer canon.
Once you add in the PT the issue is even more clouded, dozens of Jedi die with no ghosts, although we hear, but not see Qui Gon, so we learn that this is something that has to be taught, not something automatic.
If Anakin was purely doing all the evil things he did to save Padme, why did he carry on doing evil after she died? It is unthinkable that the monster of episode 3 could ever be redeemed, and if Luke had been as aware as the audience of the things his father did, he probably wouldn't have tried to save him, and he certainly would never have used his lightsaber.
I agree and I see it all over the films.
Here's a question I have had since the last trailer. In the story synopsis we have posted here from Making Star Wars Rey and Finn take the Falcon to escape Jakku. From all the evidence we have heard, Rey doesn't seem to be familiar with the ship. They escape but are then captured by the giant pirate freighter where they encounter Han and Chewie. Based on the synopsis, the "Chewie...we're home" comment is said at this point. But if Han and Chewie traveled to Jakku and left the Falcom there to conduct business with the pirates, why would he seem like they have not been on the ship in a LONG time? We are missing something here.
No, that doesn't jibe with what we know. Rey is more likely to be a Skywalker then a Solo. There's nothing to indicate Kylo stole the Falcon and left it on Jakku. It seems too coincidental that Han and Chewie are on a ship above Jakku but don't know the Falcon is down there. Makes more sense they flew it there for this rendezvous. Then there is the scene where Kylo sits in the Falcon on the jungle planet and has a profound "moment". Seems more like he hasn't been in the ship since he became estranged from his family.
glunark
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I think "know" is a strong word when everything you "know" comes from a rumour website.
And I never said Rey was a Solo, only that she was brought up away from them.
Han and Chewie aren't Jedi, they can't simply sense that the falcon is down there, and they won't pick it up on sensors if its inside another ship.
Putting too much faith in one website is like Luke not being able to hit the remote when he was using his eyes, sometimes you have to ignore what you see and just got with your instincts.
And I never said Rey was a Solo, only that she was brought up away from them.
Han and Chewie aren't Jedi, they can't simply sense that the falcon is down there, and they won't pick it up on sensors if its inside another ship.
Putting too much faith in one website is like Luke not being able to hit the remote when he was using his eyes, sometimes you have to ignore what you see and just got with your instincts.
I think based no the trailer Han and Chewie have been off the Falcon for a very long while, that's the clear implication in the way Ford delivers that line. But I don't think it was stolen by Kylo Ren and left on Jakku.
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