Star Wars: questions you've always wanted answers for

[niennumb1]

I don't know why over 30 years later I never thought of this, but when Vader knew Luke had a twin sister in the final duel, did Vader know it was Leia, or that he just knew Luke was keeping it from him and he found out without knowing who it was?

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

The line the film is as I quoted it.

Axlotl, it's taking a lot more interpretive gymnastics to interpret the line your way than mine, sorry. Not that I emotionally care, this is a friendly debate.

Same here. I'm not trying to be a jerk by arguing, but if you can't figure it out from Obi Wan's ANH dialogue I don't know what would convince.

 

[tcsmit29]

How did Vader know that Luke was his son?

 

[Reelo]

Well, according to the new (canon) Marvel comics, he had bounty hunters (notably Fett) dig up that info on Tattooine. Kenobi, Owen Lars, Tattooine and the name Skywalker: Vader wasn't stupid.

 

[Zombie_61]

I don't know why over 30 years later I never thought of this, but when Vader knew Luke had a twin sister in the final duel, did Vader know it was Leia, or that he just knew Luke was keeping it from him and he found out without knowing who it was?

Vader's dialogue in that scene is: "Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for... sister. So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side... then perhaps she will..." The feelings Luke was having would be for "Leia" and not something generic like "sister" so, since Vader knew Leia, my interpretation was/is that Vader knew immediately who Luke's sister was.

Then again, if he needed Boba Fett to find out that Luke was his son, maybe he wasn't so Force Sensitive after all.

 

[niennumb1]

Vader's dialogue in that scene is: "Give yourself to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends. Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for... sister. So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her, too. Obi-Wan was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side... then perhaps she will..." The feelings Luke was having would be for "Leia" and not something generic like "sister" so, since Vader knew Leia, my interpretation was/is that Vader knew immediately who Luke's sister was.

Then again, if he needed Boba Fett to find out that Luke was his son, maybe he wasn't so Force Sensitive after all.

Correct, but the way Vader said it sounded like a sudden revelation to him, but didn't necessarily mean he knew it was Leia, but the fact of now knowing he has a twin sister would imply that Obi-Wan definitely hid her from Vader, but whether or not it was known to him being Leia doesn't feel as obvious in his tone..... unless of course he knew and was just using a "tone" with Luke to put him over the edge.



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[Zombie_61]

Correct, but the way Vader said it sounded like a sudden revelation to him, but didn't necessarily mean he knew it was Leia, but the fact of now knowing he has a twin sister would imply that Obi-Wan definitely hid her from Vader, but whether or not it was known to him being Leia doesn't feel as obvious in his tone..... unless of course he knew and was just using a "tone" with Luke to put him over the edge.

I don't disagree with you, I was only stating my interpretation which could certainly be incorrect. Certain elements of The Force appear to be similar to what we call psychic abilities, so I've sort of applied what little I know of those abilities to the Force Sensitive characters in the movies. I had read somewhere that Anakin knew Padme was pregnant and thought the baby had died with her, but didn't know she was carrying twins. This is why he doesn't appear to be too surprised that Luke is his son, but was somewhat surprised to discover Luke had a twin sister.

I completely agree that Vader's tone was intended to manipulate Luke; it shows just how dedicated he was to push Luke over the edge into the Dark Side of The Force. He has just learned that he has a daughter as well as a son, and he doesn't hesitate to use this new information to screw with Luke? That's pretty cold, and shows that the rather emotional Anakin has almost completely been consumed by Vader.

 

[niennumb1]

I don't disagree with you, I was only stating my interpretation which could certainly be incorrect. Certain elements of The Force appear to be similar to what we call psychic abilities, so I've sort of applied what little I know of those abilities to the Force Sensitive characters in the movies. I had read somewhere that Anakin knew Padme was pregnant and thought the baby had died with her, but didn't know she was carrying twins. This is why he doesn't appear to be too surprised that Luke is his son, but was somewhat surprised to discover Luke had a twin sister.

I completely agree that Vader's tone was intended to manipulate Luke; it shows just how dedicated he was to push Luke over the edge into the Dark Side of The Force. He has just learned that he has a daughter as well as a son, and he doesn't hesitate to use this new information to screw with Luke? That's pretty cold, and shows that the rather emotional Anakin has almost completely been consumed by Vader.

Oh sorry! I definitely wasn't looking to pick any fight on the issue at all. It's all great points and great discussion. I really appreciate your perspective on it! It's funny I still have occasional questions this many years later I never thought of til random moments of wonder.

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[Zombie_61]

Oh sorry! I definitely wasn't looking to pick any fight on the issue at all. It's all great points and great discussion. I really appreciate your perspective on it! It's funny I still have occasional questions this many years later I never thought of til random moments of wonder.

Nothing to apologize for; I never once interpreted your post as "picking a fight" or adversarial in any way, and I apologize if my previous post came across that way. In fact, one of the reasons I like movies so much is because of the discussions about them between fans and non-fans, sharing their opinions, perspectives, interpretations, and whatever else you can think of; I think it enriches the viewing experience.

 

[NeoRutty]

"I don't disagree with you...."

"Oh sorry! I definitely wasn't looking to pick any fight...."

"Nothing to apologize for.... and I apologize if my previous post came across that way..."


Ha ha... this back and forth is one of the many reason why the RPF is one of the only sites/forums I got to anymore.

Everyone here rules.

 

[Monkey67]

Why didn't obi wan go tag team palatine with yoda? Both Jedi had to go take care of business by fighting Vader & palatine. Yet yoda ran away like a punk bitch cause he couldn't defeat him. So when obi calls up yoda about Vader being taken out. Yoda should have told obi I need help over here cause I'm the worst Jedi ever since mace. Nope, run away and see about your kids from padme. They could have taken care of business but choose not to do it. It's sad..but hey I'm a Sith fan and believe they have always been the good guys.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I think Yoda knew that, at 900 years old, if he couldn't defeat Sidious then adding Obi Wan wouldn't help. I think it's the fact that the Dark Side is concentrated in two people. That's the only way someone of Sidious' age could best a Jedi Master with 900 years experience. Of course that's only if you want to factor the Prequels into the mix.

 

[Riceball]

The other thing to consider in grabbing Obi-Wan for a fight against Palpy, just because he's one of the Jedis we know best it doesn't make one of the best. IIIRC he wasn't even a member of the council, just one of their (presumably) many field Jedi. I'd argue that there were probably many more Jedi that Yoda could have grabbed that probably would have been a better choice than Obi-Wan, just don't ask me who.

 

[tcsmit29]

Why didn't obi wan go tag team palatine with yoda? Both Jedi had to go take care of business by fighting Vader & palatine. Yet yoda ran away like a punk bitch cause he couldn't defeat him. So when obi calls up yoda about Vader being taken out. Yoda should have told obi I need help over here cause I'm the worst Jedi ever since mace. Nope, run away and see about your kids from padme. They could have taken care of business but choose not to do it. It's sad..but hey I'm a Sith fan and believe they have always been the good guys.

Probably because the element of surprise had been lost. Trying to take out a head government official (like Palpatine) may work had Yoda been strong enough. But coming back for round two wouldn't work even if he brought an army with him.

 

[Monkey67]

Just cause obi wan wasn't on the Jedi counsel doesn't make him not as deadly. I always saw him as more of the "I got this" guys. You need something taken care of You call in the specialist. No women, no children lol Plus the fact that him and skywalker were such 1 - 2 punch combo team. Why break up the team unless you really needed too.


I agree that you likely wouldn't get a 2nd shot at taken palatine out since the surprise is gone. Too many guys to fight now to even try to get near him.

 

[Yorkie Fett]

After the AT-AT takes out the rebel power generators on Hoth, how come all the lights are still on in Echo base?

 

[robn1]

After the AT-AT takes out the rebel power generators on Hoth, how come all the lights are still on in Echo base?

The generator powered the shields, the lights and other systems had batteries or some other source.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

Unless I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure Obi Wan was on the Council in ROTS. Either that or they have a really liberal seating policy there.

The only reason Yoda was with Obi Wan is that they were the only ones that connected and knew what was going on.

 

[Riceball]

The generator powered the shields, the lights and other systems had batteries or some other source.

Yeah, it was specifically mentioned in the dialogue that it was the shield generator which means that it's what powers/creates the shields and nothing else. The main power source was obviously somewhere else, probably inside the base itself and thus impervious to bombardment.

This does bring up another question though, if the ground assault was for the purpose of knocking out the shield generator, why continue with the ground assault after the shields were knocked out? Why not pound them from orbit and then send in the ground forces to mop things up afterward or are Star Destroyers as accurate as Stormtroopers and an orbital bombardment would have hit such a large area that it would have taken out the AT-ATs as well as Echo Base?

 

[Solos blaster]

Yeah, it was specifically mentioned in the dialogue that it was the shield generator which means that it's what powers/creates the shields and nothing else. The main power source was obviously somewhere else, probably inside the base itself and thus impervious to bombardment.

This does bring up another question though, if the ground assault was for the purpose of knocking out the shield generator, why continue with the ground assault after the shields were knocked out? Why not pound them from orbit and then send in the ground forces to mop things up afterward or are Star Destroyers as accurate as Stormtroopers and an orbital bombardment would have hit such a large area that it would have taken out the AT-ATs as well as Echo Base?

Cause Vader wanted Luke alive....