Star Wars: questions you've always wanted answers for
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jkno
Legendary Member
Same here. Maybe because Leia wasn't trained as Jedi (yet) she cannot see them
KrangPrime
Master Member
I don't think so... I think at least the force sensitive people can see them. in the clone wars, anakin can hear qui gon talking to yoda. and in the books, Anakins ghost visits lea to ask for forgiveness...
Zombie_61
Master Member
'Cuz Alec Guinness was 68 years old, and coming back from the "other side" is exhausting.
It was the progression Lucas was showing of his return from the netherworld. First a disembodied voice, then a hazy and distant figure, then a more distinct and animated apparition, then almost fully realized and able to interact with his surroundings. The original ending, for quite some time, was going to have been that during Luke's final confrontation with the Emperor and Vader, he was going to be able to step back across to corporeality and help Luke against the baddies. Fairly late in the story sessions, Lucas decided that would take too much away from Luke's ultimate triumph, and he had Obi-Wan say instead that he won't be able to interfere -- presumably because of the miasma of the Dark Side in that location.
What I am most anxious about is where they take that in the new films. The EU writers didn't really know what the hell to do with Force ghosts, so they wrote Anakin and Ben out, and I can't remember if Yoda ever appeared again. But that runs counter to where George was going with it. I want to see Yoda and Anakin and Ben and maybe Qui-Gon hanging out with Luke during his hermitage.
--Jonah
What I am most anxious about is where they take that in the new films. The EU writers didn't really know what the hell to do with Force ghosts, so they wrote Anakin and Ben out, and I can't remember if Yoda ever appeared again. But that runs counter to where George was going with it. I want to see Yoda and Anakin and Ben and maybe Qui-Gon hanging out with Luke during his hermitage.
--Jonah
KrangPrime
Master Member
same here. I hated how they had ben just kind of dissapear. we never saw yoda at all...and anakin only appeared once.
It would be nice to see if Luke went away as training to catch up on a 1,000 year jedi history with the force ghosts guiding him. kind of sad, but one way to do it.
Although you really can't call it 'return of the jedi' if by awakens, no jedi have really returned yet. luke should have a new order of his own by then.
Axlotl
Master Member
The title "Return of the Jedi" was referring specifically to Luke. Luke was THE Jedi. And he was returning, after having his butt kicked by Darth Vader.
And do you really want Luke to have an ARMY? That's not what Luke's about. That's not what the FORCE is about.
Did Yoda have an army? Did Ben have an army? I'm not talking about those stupid prequels, I'm talking about what we saw on screen in the OT.
And do you really want Luke to have an ARMY? That's not what Luke's about. That's not what the FORCE is about.
Did Yoda have an army? Did Ben have an army? I'm not talking about those stupid prequels, I'm talking about what we saw on screen in the OT.
Vacformedhero
Sr Member
Also Luke did return , we just don't know at this stage how long he hung around and what drove him into exile , hopefully this is what TFA will uncover
buuuuuut , do I really want Luke singing cumbaya around the campfire with four force ghosts ........I hope not
Here's what that would look like
http://youtu.be/zdukWtJwlPU
That makes no sense. Yoda and Obi Wan didn't need an army because they were content to HIDE. They weren't powerful enough to defeat the Emperor. I'm sure if they had an army they would have used it. We all know that when Yoda says Luke is the last Jedi and to pass on what he learned, Yoda obviously was not talking about teaching a few people. He meant to restart the Jedi Order. Otherwise it would have been called "Return of the Force User". A Jedi is part of an organization. You can't just be THE Jedi. And yes you have to factor in the Prequels because you can't talk about the Jedi unless you do because there were wasn't a Jedi organization in the movies. The only Jedi in the OT were two older Jedi in hiding and not in their prime.
Wolfsburg
Master Member
I've always interpreted that Luke becoming a Jedi at the end of ROTJ marked the return of the Jedi. The first of a new generation, saved from the brink of extinction and all that. Or at least was supposed to! TFA makes me think any plans to train more might not have gone as planned or expected...
Axlotl
Master Member
I don't have to factor in the prequels if I don't want to.
And you just said the same thing I said: There was no Jedi army (organization) in the movies.
Ben or Yoda could have raised and trained an army in all the time they spent in exile if that was ever the point.
It never was the point, which is why they didn't, which is why Luke shouldn't.
A Jedi is not a part of an organization. A Jedi is anyone who's able to feel the force and use it for good.
Those prequels warped your brain, man. You forgot what Star Wars was about.
KrangPrime
Master Member
in the sense of army, I meant a whole hell of a lot of jedi, not a physical army of jedi. that make more sense?
How cool of a poster would it have been to have look at the forefront, and about 200 lightsabers only (and silhouettes) lit up behind him?
How cool of a poster would it have been to have look at the forefront, and about 200 lightsabers only (and silhouettes) lit up behind him?
Jaitea
Master Member
KrangPrime
Master Member
yep, something like ;o).
astroboy
Master Member
No problem, take the Prequels out of the picture. The Jedi are an organization. Even in ANH Obi Wan says "I was once a Jedi Knight..." So he even says he was once part of a group, the group was destroyed, and he doesn't consider himself a Jedi anymore. There wasn't ever any point in the OT where the Jedi weren't an organization. They tell you that in the movie! If you're just some Force user you're not a Jedi, just a Force user.
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