Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

[Malibu139]

I like Luthen a lot , but a show called Luthen? No way that would have went over.I see Andor -the character and show namesake- as a link that brings a lot of the larger rebellion story together.

I love how this show establishes the sacrifice, commitment, blood, sweat and tears that were required for the rebellion to start.

These folks are not in it for the ANH medal ceremony, all smiles, warmly backlit, with a princess gazing at you.
No they are in the trenches on gritty, thankless, dangerous missions to start the spark. Cinta Kaz sums it up:
“I told you up front the struggle will always come first. We take what's left.” Then there is Luthens “everything “ answer to sacrifice.

The look and cinematography are so good: long pans, shots holding on characters or architecture or landscapes. And most importantly no shaky cam.

Throw in an episode that is in my mind a call back to Where Eagles Dare? Genius.

I could type a lot more but dascoyne has everything about covered for me in his posts so far.

 

[Gimpdiggity]

Honestly, i feel like i'm on a different planet. I faithfully watched it the whole way without expressing my opinion throughout...in some ways, it is better than Mandalorian but to me, Mandalorian feels more like Star Wars. Most of you all commented throughout...which i did read ALL of your comments. I didn't like it, period. Not for me. Pays off in the end? What paid off? The Finale, in my opinion was one of the worst episodes of the series. Like usually, tried to tie up loose ends and it was sloppy. The whole series had some cool elements, some Stormtroopers and Tie fighters but just because it has those things doesn't make it Star Wars. Then the post credit scene was like the Smurfs watching a giant Smurfberry grow. "OOOHHH...AAAHHH" The Death Star!! Like we never figured that the trajectory was heading there? Well, thank God they put the Death Star in...it must be Star Wars. This show was boring...the last episode was better than the finale.

Ask your buddy if he plans on sleeping through the first three episodes all over again repeatedly just to get to a payoff that is what? Andor runs faster than a speeding speeder and beats Luthen to his own ship? What's the cliffhanger here? Will Andor make it? Of course he will, until he gets toasted anyway by being forced to create droids that end up building the Death Star that destroys him anyway. I guess you'll have to sit through Mon Mothma's daughters' wedding and drama in the high society to get there, Like there is so much going on it completely distracts from Andor himself, which is fine with me to some extent. Of course they were going to pair him with Luthen...they'd be stupid not to. He's way more interesting. I would much rather watch a sidestory on him. But, to go from super serious tones, then watching the OT, it doesn't jive. I thought the same thing for Rogue One. Thought it was a good independent movie but apart from the Darth Vader scene and a deepfake Leia was very boring and didn't feel like Star Wars. Glad you like the series. Have fun in season 2.

I was super impressed with the cast and acting...i mean it's probably one of the best in that regard with the current stuff we've received. I was hoping for a Garsa Fwip appearance so i'm a little sour...lol

I think we’ve all grasped that you didn’t comment until you’ve watched it all. You’ve mentioned it in every post you’ve made since you finished it and started posting.

Bottom line here, this show wasn’t for you. You clearly prefer space magicians and the fantasy that Star Wars actually is (because it ain’t sci-fi) to the grounded, gritty, no laser swords take that this show was.

After years and years, I look at the OT for what it is…a mediocre creation that was made up by George Lucas as he went along. I’ll say it…Andor is better than the OT. I would rather immediately watch it again than watch any of the OT films.

 

[CopperRevan]

Taking a shot at the OT to establish how good this is, is very counterproductive seeing that we wouldn't have Star Wars anything if it wasn't for ANH.

Luthen has done more behind the scenes on his pinky than Andor and is a larger link to the rebellion story than he is.

I agree 100% on the look and cinematography

and no i didn't mention it in every post Gimpdiggity

The OT is mediocre? Thanks for your opinion. Noted

 

[ScourgiousJinx]

I chose to "be patient and wait" til the show was over before commenting. "Patience" is not the issue and that is the only issue i would take up with you is on equating not liking a slow burn to patience...it's a false premise. Some elements of a story should be given more thought and time and some elements don't need to be exhausted. I felt the whole story took way to long unnecessarily, especially when you have a very obvious predicted outcome. As far as Star Wars being different, Imagine a series or movie called Scooby Doo "whatever"... People who love the original go to watch it because they love the original spirit of it about solving mysteries etc. Then you watch it waiting for it to materialize but in the end it was just a drama between each character and that Scooby became the fun loving, eating scaredycat because he was mistreated and under duress and in the end, never solved a single mystery...You would leave just shaking your head. The only difference for me is that Scooby Doo is way more intriguing of a character that Andor...he just doesn't interest me. I wanted to give the show a chance. I did. It wasn't for me and i can't call it Star Wars at all...it just isn't. My opinion. Glad everyone loved it. The acting was extroardinary, i was pleased with that atleast.

I didn't mean to infer that you in particular were not patient or that impatience was the only reason one would not enjoy a slow burn. I guess I thought that went without saying? My apologies for not being more clear. I'm not arguing your opinion of the show. It's not mass appeal, it's not for everyone.

Andor wasn't sold as traditional mass appeal Star Wars so expecting that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Not everything in this world needs to though. The "spirit" of Star Wars isn't the same for everyone so differences in what that means are entirely natural. We all watch what we want to for whatever reasons we so decide.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

After years and years, I look at the OT for what it is…a mediocre creation that was made up by George Lucas as he went along. I’ll say it…Andor is better than the OT. I would rather immediately watch it again than watch any of the OT films.

 

[CopperRevan]

I just expressed my review of the whole series...that's what this forum is for.

I praised things...I didn't like things...overall I wouldn't watch it again. Period. If you all love it, great.

Alley....I knew it was coming. Lol.

 

[firesprite]

A few things/observation about the last episode:

Dedra can use her "Feminine whiles" to make Cyril her lap dog.
Andor is, obviously, traumatized by his Mother's death (and the damaged girl-friend) so, why not say good bye to the whole thing?
Luthen and Andor: they need each other but not necessarily for the same outcome.
Andor knew where Luthen's ship was, since this is not the first time he's parking it there.
It's not because you're wearing a helmet that you're protected from concussion forces and trauma (football players, anyone?)
ISB is still in the dark about Luthen. They haven't identify the King on the checker board.

Dedra can use her "Feminine whiles" to make Cyril her lap dog.

But why would she? He brings literally nothing to the table except for his own obsessive tendencies, and there's no lack of that in ISB already. He only wound up on Ferrix because of the phone call from his equally-idiotic-can't-let-****-go buddy who got busted down to hard labor for his participation in the initial raid. He has a **** job in logistics, and he doesn't even have the juice to move out of his mother's apartment.

Yeah... he's really an asset she needs.

 

[HMSwolfe]

The Rebels/Clone Wars crowd really doesn’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, do they? I had criticisms of Mandalorian devolving into a cameo-of-the-week backdoor pilot show for reintroducing Filoni’s favorites, and how it didn’t feel like there was any Star Wars being made that really appealed to me. Opinions like mine got dogpiled. Not every Star Wars product has to be all things to all men. If it wasn’t for you, great. Cool. Congratulations. But slow ≠ bad. A lack of member-berries ≠ “this isn’t Star Wars!!”. Could this show have condensed maybe an episode or two’s worth of content down? Sure. Could it have used one or two more aliens or droids? Yeah, perhaps. But the writing was solid, the money was on screen at all times, never just lining the pockets of producers, and it was always crafted and intentional. I have extreme doubts that Mandalorian S3 will be watchable—that they’ll have doubled down on THE VOLUME and CHARACTERS YOU KNOW and THE EVER MORE IMPORTANT FATE OF MANDALORE. But I know it will go over super well for some people. I’m sad that I feel I got pushed out of The Mandalorian because it became a live-action cartoon and became overly-connected to the Filoni-verse, but I also finally feel like I got some Star Wars with Andor. No one is allowed to tell me that Andor wasn’t “Star Wars” enough. It was Star Wars to me.

 

[pm07]

...and after just figuring out Luthen was trying to kill him while hiding from the empire and rescuing his friend and getting her to pegla's, he knew exactly where Luthen's ship would be? Luthen was already on his way back and had a pretty good head start i think, unless i'm messing up the timeline.

He saw Luthen at the funeral. He knew where the ship would be because that is exactly where Luthen parked it the last time he was on Farrix and picked Cassian up. Luthen had to get out of the city while Cassian was already on the outskirts at the shipyard. He grabbed a speeder and beat him to the ship.

 

[CopperRevan]

The Rebels/Clone Wars crowd really doesn’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot, do they? I had criticisms of Mandalorian devolving into a cameo-of-the-week backdoor pilot show for reintroducing Filoni’s favorites, and how it didn’t feel like there was any Star Wars being made that really appealed to me. Opinions like mine got dogpiled. Not every Star Wars product has to be all things to all men. If it wasn’t for you, great. Cool. Congratulations. But slow ≠ bad. A lack of member-berries ≠ “this isn’t Star Wars!!”. Could this show have condensed maybe an episode or two’s worth of content down? Sure. Could it have used one or two more aliens or droids? Yeah, perhaps. But the writing was solid, the money was on screen at all times, never just lining the pockets of producers, and it was always crafted and intentional. I have extreme doubts that Mandalorian S3 will be watchable—that they’ll have doubled down on THE VOLUME and CHARACTERS YOU KNOW and THE EVER MORE IMPORTANT FATE OF MANDALORE. But I know it will go over super well for some people. I’m sad that I feel I got pushed out of The Mandalorian because it became a live-action cartoon and became overly-connected to the Filoni-verse, but I also finally feel like I got some Star Wars with Andor. No one is allowed to tell me that Andor wasn’t “Star Wars” enough. It was Star Wars to me.

First of all, I'm not the Rebels/Clone Wars crowd, so thanks for generalizing...i never said to you personally that Andor wasn't Star Wars enough for you...i said it wasn't Star Wars to me...ME!!! I agree with you about Mando being cameo of the week, i didn't like that either. I never said Mando was better written than Andor...Like you, i have my doubts with Mando season 3. It doesn't bother you that they put a way better effort into Andor than anything previously? Now that you guys have had 40 plus pages of non dissenting viewpoints and got to bask in each others praises, the fact that i presented a different opinion has you all up in arms...sorry not sorry. Just because you feel you got dog piled on in a previous thread, what now you feel you have the go ahead to "join with the crowd" and do some dog piling of your own? You have the right if you want. I have the right to express my thoughts too. I did. Imagine if i said, "no one has the right to tell me that Andor is better than the OT"...They most certainly have the right to say that to me...I think that opinion is laughable, but they have the right to say it. Please...let's not digress to the the officer who covered up the droid in the finale just because he didn't want the message to get out. That's something the Empire does...not the Rebels.

 

[CopperRevan]

He saw Luthen at the funeral. He knew where the ship would be because that is exactly where Luthen parked it the last time he was on Farrix and picked Cassian up. Luthen had to get out of the city while Cassian was already on the outskirts at the shipyard. He grabbed a speeder and beat him to the ship.

so he parked it in the same spot where he knew the person he was trying to kill knew where he parked before? I would think Luthen would be a lot more careful. There would be no way whatsoever he got there before Luthen...not a chance.

oh...and left it unguarded, unlocked or whatever so Andor could just stroll right up in it, no problem.

 

[Jamesfett]

Hasn't Andor made a big mess of things? Why does Luthen want this guy so badly? He seems to make a mess wherever he goes, and now he is well known and wanted by the Empire. Plus there is that whole being a murderer thing.

I only watched, and fast forwarded through a lot of it to see if they were gonna do anything with Luthen. Nope.

For the love of all that is good and holy please let the Death Star go. It's been done beyond to death. Is it really that exciting that they were making parts for it????

Spoiler alert, the Death Star gets blown up and Cassian will survive through the entire series. Call it a hunch.

As always I am thrilled that so many of you love this series, even if I don't. I think you are all sharing the same big pile of drugs, but if your happy, I'm happy.

 

[pm07]

so he parked it in the same spot where he knew the person he was trying to kill knew where he parked before? I would think Luthen would be a lot more careful. There would be no way whatsoever he got there before Luthen...not a chance.

oh...and left it unguarded, unlocked or whatever so Andor could just stroll right up in it, no problem.

Everyone slips up sometimes or maybe he is too arrogant in his Axis persona.. Maybe he likes this place for the concealment of approach etc. Plus, he figured he didnt have to worry about Cassian because, well he would be dead. Andor is a ship thief. Again Luthars arrogant at not needing a security because the ship is 'encoded' to him.

 

[firesprite]

Everyone slips up sometimes or maybe he is too arrogant in his Axis persona.. Maybe he likes this place for the concealment of approach etc. Plus, he figured he didnt have to worry about Cassian because, well he would be dead. Andor is a ship thief. Again Luthars arrogant at not needing a security because the ship is 'encoded' to him.

Or maybe, Luthen's talk about going there to kill Andor was just to appease Kleia and he was really hoping for a situation like we got.

 

[Darth Lars]

What happened to Maarva's stone?

How did Andor persuade Luthen's ship to let him in?

 

[CopperRevan]

Andor...He rightly defends himself from being killed, only to be labeled a murderer...now, he's wanted by Cereal Boy who lives with his mommy and will sacrifice his own life to make sure he gets what he deserves...JUSTICE! and a little sumpin sumpin from his Crush...meanwhile, Andor breaks into Fort Knox and steals everything unscathed, only to head to Cancun for a little sumpin sumpin of his own and be unjustly imprisoned on Alcatraz...where he escapes even death itself by dropping 100s of feet into water, swimming for miles, trudging on bare feet up mountains and runs into an escape pod where he is able to get off the planet unharmed. If that's not all, even with the whole empire hunting him down, still decides to return home where everyone knows he will be and finds out he is being betrayed...but that won't stop Andor... oh no...because Cereal Boy's Crush leaves everything that Andor values unattended to so he can , once again, escape from the clutches of certain doom, rescue his, one of many, girlfriends in the galaxy and get into the greatest most secretive technologically superior space craft of his killer...only to ask his killer to kill him...because he's escaped death so many times before, he's getting so sick of living...leading to Andor's only known failure thus far, not getting killed. Join us next season as Andor continues to defy the odds greater than anyone ever...even the great Rey Skywalker herself....No one is ever truly gone...Andor will be back...

 

[dascoyne]

Bix was introduced as such a strong and potentially rich character it was awful to watch her become so mercilessly broken in mind and spirit throughout the season. The Bix of episode 1 fell so far to become the person in episode 12.

The meeting in episode 7 between Bix and Cassian was mainly about the circumstances but, tragically, left much unspoken and unrealized between them as if there would always be the space to resolve them in some future.

But then, by episode 12, after everything she went through, she seemed resigned to remain forever in captivity and barely had the will to believe Cassian had come and was there for her. And to see the way Bix clinged to Cassian during their escape with nothing left in her is heartbreaking.

The nature of their relationship is entirely inferred, and that makes it beautiful. Cassian always immediately asked about Bix every time he came back to Ferix. When he was a fugitive in episode 7 he didn’t need to pay his debts through her, but you knew he was there with a small hope she might run away with him and Maarva. He would always come for her and, deep inside, Bix knows that. At the end of episode 12, with a fragment of faith, even in her delirium, she says, “Cassian will find us.”

I know we don’t see Bix in Rogue One, but I hope she’s not too far gone already.



This is yet another superb example of how much can be done with such little screen time.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I’ll quote Jet Beetle again. We were having one of our nerd bromance conversations about Star Wars IV A New Hope. Ok, it’s clear which one specifically this conversation was about.

He said,

“Star Wars was a cheesy, sloppily written, poorly acted movies that somehow was new enough and hit all the right notes to deeply root itself into our hearts.”

Man, I. Miss Paul. He always had great insights.

To all those that hated Andor, thanks for waiting until the final episode to tell me how stupid I am for loving it. Much appreciated.

 

[CopperRevan]

I’ll quote Jet Beetle again. We were having one of our nerd bromance conversations about Star Wars IV A New Hope. Ok, it’s clear which one specifically this conversation was about.

He said,

“Star Wars was a cheesy, sloppily written, poorly acted movies that somehow was new enough and hit all the right notes to deeply root itself into our hearts.”

Man, I. Miss Paul. He always had great insights.

To all those that hated Andor, thanks for waiting until the final episode to tell me how stupid I am for loving it. Much appreciated.

good grief...no one said you were stupid for loving it. In fact, Star Wars appears foolish to all others who arn't fans of it so we are all in the same boat there. I can say the exact same thing. I'm made to feel stupid by all of you because i don't love it. I don't take any of this personally, i have no idea why when the majority of you love it, you could possibly have such thin skin to get offended when people disagree. I think the right thing to do is wait for something to finish before you judge it on its entirety(which i've been guilty in the past for NOT doing myself but its' exactly what i will do heading forward).

If you don't like a person's opinion you could ignore it or rejoice even greater in what you love about it. Trust me, all of you need to go back on other threads of other shows we've all watched as a Star Wars family together where, if your honest, you may have not liked something only to be told by someone that was offended that "you hurt my feelings"

I made one post of an honest, thought out, balanced review and was just willing to walk away in retreat while people started quoting me and getting offended. I could have ignored it and moved on myself. I didn't and tried to defend my view. If i would have posted accolades and praises galore of this show and claimed how perfect it is, i wouldn't have received as much flack...but that's what we have when we share our thoughts. My opinions are not superior to yours. Never said it, they are just my opinion. I'm not apologizing for it. Neither should you for yours.
I'm leaving this thread for good...not because i'm mad and stomping off because you disagree but because i've said my piece and that's that. I've always had fun with you on other threads but when people disagree that's where the rubber really meets the road isn't it?

 

[NakedMoleRat]

good grief...no one said you were stupid for loving it. In fact, Star Wars appears foolish to all others who arn't fans of it so we are all in the same boat there. I can say the exact same thing. I'm made to feel stupid by all of you because i don't love it. I don't take any of this personally, i have no idea why when the majority of you love it, you could possibly have such thin skin to get offended when people disagree. I think the right thing to do is wait for something to finish before you judge it on its entirety(which i've been guilty in the past for NOT doing myself but its' exactly what i will do heading forward).

If you don't like a person's opinion you could ignore it or rejoice even greater in what you love about it. Trust me, all of you need to go back on other threads of other shows we've all watched as a Star Wars family together where, if your honest, you may have not liked something only to be told by someone that was offended that "you hurt my feelings"

I made one post of an honest, thought out, balanced review and was just willing to walk away in retreat while people started quoting me and getting offended. I could have ignored it and moved on myself. I didn't and tried to defend my view. If i would have posted accolades and praises galore of this show and claimed how perfect it is, i wouldn't have received as much flack...but that's what we have when we share our thoughts. My opinions are not superior to yours. Never said it, they are just my opinion. I'm not apologizing for it. Neither should you for yours.
I'm leaving this thread for good...not because i'm mad and stomping off because you disagree but because i've said my piece and that's that. I've always had fun with you on other threads but when people disagree that's where the rubber really meets the road isn't it?

I was trying to be funny, sorry if I offended you. It wasn’t my intention. I apologize.