Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

[CopperRevan]

I was trying to be funny, sorry if I offended you. It wasn’t my intention. I apologize.

You are pretty funny, i agree. I'm not offended by you... no need to apologize. I'm looking forward to watching the Honest Review on this series, i get a kick out of those...lol. See you over on the Mandalorion Season 3 thread. Don't know what to expect. A little worried. I'm not a big fan of Rebels/Clone wars, so i'm not really that interested about Bo Katan etc. My biggest gripe is really how there is such a huge discrepancy in the quality of production, writing, acting etc. of Andor compared to the other series. It's night and day. What really offended me is that they invested so much into Andor and in my opinion, crapped on the legacy characters and the shows they were in. The quality of Andor is miles above the others. The fact that i couldn't let my own son watch Andor really put me off and Andor doesn't interest me...at all. The other facets of the show were good for the most part and intriguing but i didn't like the overrall story line...just too predictable and Andor can't lose which is boring for me. It's just super frustrating that the finale got really rushed and was sloppy after the rest of the show took so long to get there. I'm not saying it was horrible, TBOB and Kenobi were abysmal but Andor leaves me, not with, "wow, what a great show!!" but, " i wonder what TBOB or Kenobi could have been with this kind of production, investment and respect for the characters involved." You may completely disagree and that's fine but i do value yours and others opinions and productive discussions. Anyways, have fun with it. Wish i could've communicated better.

 

[dascoyne]

good grief...no one said you were stupid for loving it. In fact, Star Wars appears foolish to all others who arn't fans of it so we are all in the same boat there. I can say the exact same thing. I'm made to feel stupid by all of you because i don't love it. I don't take any of this personally, i have no idea why when the majority of you love it, you could possibly have such thin skin to get offended when people disagree. I think the right thing to do is wait for something to finish before you judge it on its entirety(which i've been guilty in the past for NOT doing myself but its' exactly what i will do heading forward).

If you don't like a person's opinion you could ignore it or rejoice even greater in what you love about it. Trust me, all of you need to go back on other threads of other shows we've all watched as a Star Wars family together where, if your honest, you may have not liked something only to be told by someone that was offended that "you hurt my feelings"

I made one post of an honest, thought out, balanced review and was just willing to walk away in retreat while people started quoting me and getting offended. I could have ignored it and moved on myself. I didn't and tried to defend my view. If i would have posted accolades and praises galore of this show and claimed how perfect it is, i wouldn't have received as much flack...but that's what we have when we share our thoughts. My opinions are not superior to yours. Never said it, they are just my opinion. I'm not apologizing for it. Neither should you for yours.
I'm leaving this thread for good...not because i'm mad and stomping off because you disagree but because i've said my piece and that's that. I've always had fun with you on other threads but when people disagree that's where the rubber really meets the road isn't it?

I was trying to be funny, sorry if I offended you. It wasn’t my intention. I apologize.

 

[Wolfsburg]

It was a good episode although quite a lot was left unresolved. I feel like this show is more like a "two-parter" than something with two distinct seasons, if that makes any sense. One season with an extended hiatus in the middle maybe. Lol!

I also wondered how Andor managed to get onto the Fondor and I didn't really get what his intentions were at that point. Was he so distraught he really did want to die, despite telling everyone he would look for them? It didn't really pack much of a punch since we obviously know he's not gonna die unless they pull some Grand Inquisitor/Reva nonsense.

I was fine with the slow pace of it all, although now having seen the season in its totality, I do think they could've stood to up the tempo just a hair.

I'm also surprised it will still take five more years to complete the Death Star given how nearly finished it looks. Maybe they still had the interior to finish out? lol! Pretty neat seeing those droids building the thing...


As for the show not feeling like Star Wars, I think if you confine your view of SW to the movies, or the OT specifically, you are correct.

However, I think SW has room to stretch its legs and experiment with tone and presentation. They were quite upfront that this was supposed to be more of a murky spy thriller and indeed it does not have the swashbuckling, adventurous spirit of the OT...and that's okay. It was not as interested in spectacle and mythology and personally I thought seeing a more ground-level, gritty look at this world was neat.

I didn't feel nearly the emotional impact some of the other SW content provides but frankly I feel like this show was technically better done on just about every level. That said, nothing will ever really top the OT for me. It's an apples and oranges comparison and entirely subjective as far as I'm concerned. There's room for both.

I love the Mando show but I frankly feel like much of the stuff Filoni is involved with does not hold up to close scrutiny and there's often way too much filler and fluff... though I do think these projects have heart, if nothing else. While I've never been a Filoni fanboi, I do think his heart is clearly in the right place. I just don't personally think he's a great writer. I would almost love to see the Andor team and Mando team combined to create content. That might be a happy median for me.

On another tangent, I would've loved for the Andor team to have put their own spin on TBOBF instead of Favreau/Rodriguez/whomever else. If any character needed a more noir, gritty story treatment, he would've been it. Instead we get him rampaging through town on the back of a rancor...

Anyway, I've loved the Andor show thus far and look forward to seeing what is to come.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

I'm also surprised it will still take five more years to complete the Death Star given how nearly finished it looks. Maybe they still had the interior to finish out? lol! Pretty neat seeing those droids building the thing...

The toilet seats wound up on back order for something like 3 years, which pretty much halted production.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I would say that I didn't hate it and I didn't love it. I'd compare it to some of the Tales of... books they did in the late 90s. Some were really good while some were just interesting stories, though not anything you'd get excited about.

I think a lot of the show was just unnecessary and didn't really add anything, which also might have added to people thinking it was slow. The other problem, which I can kind of see being done more for the audience, was Mon Mothma discussing the Rebellion in the middle of two parties! Coruscant, even under the Republic, was a haven of spies, mainly senators spying on other senators. So it makes no sense for her to be discussing it at a party, no matter how far she thinks she's sitting from other people. It's almost does the same thing to her as it did to Obi-Wan in that show, making the characters seem like idiots who should never have gotten to the point they were in the OT if they were that careless. My only other complaint is the "Cantwell class cruiser". The ship was cool, though I don't think those big dishes should have been tractor beams, more like an electronic warfare or signal intelligence ship. The name though, that just took me right out of the show like those d*mn AK blaster rifles!

 

[Wolfsburg]

I'm sure the logic was that tractor beam projectors look like dishes, at least the glimpses we've seen so far. I actually kinda expected Luthen's ship, living up to its "Haulcraft" designation, might outpull the beam, rip the nearest dish right off and he makes his escape.

I did have mixed feelings about Mon Mothma's storyline, as a whole. So much of it was just her pacing her apartment and worrying about covering up her sketchy financial transactions. I guess I expected more political maneuvering and intrigue, juicy Senate sparring, etc. Her kinda-sorta whoring her own daughter off via the Chandrilan betrothal tradition stuff in exchange for covering her financial tracks was kinda disturbing but overall her plotline wasn't as interesting as I hoped, although Genevieve O'Reilly did a great job and portrays the character so well.

 

[dascoyne]

 

[robstyle]

Ok, I have a theory about how Andor got back to Luthen's ship before he did:
There is only one explanation...Andor is Jason Voorhees.

A valid theory as we have never seen either Andor or Jason Voorhees in the same room.


Andor getting into Luthens ship was the easy part, he had prior been inside of it, alone, as a welcomed guest and copatriot. He even got caught by the ship checking its contols out and the shop called him on it. Notice how when Luthen made a command to the ship it didn't reply. It's prior established Andor knows how to alter various ship workings.... If we're assuming, he gained access having had prior clearance that wasn't removed. Or he simply hacked his way in.
These types of things such as how he magically appears on a planet or location off screen are again a huge nitpick. A simple over the shoulder shot of andor eying a speeder or such would compensate on his ground travels. Or, Andors mini rig. Uncle George would approve. I'm sure uncle George would even suggest an Andor mini rig pilot action figure. For sale separately of course. Two toys is always better than one.

 

[dascoyne]

None of my predictions have come true so far.

Here is another prediction.

Spoiler

Bix will survive the second season and have her own series that takes place after Rogue One. Cinta and/or Val may be in it, too.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

None of my predictions have come true so far.

Here is another prediction.

Spoiler

Bix will survive the second season and have her own series that takes place after Rogue One. Cinta and/or Val may be in it, too.

I (A New) HOPE that you are correct.

 

[joberg]

Dedra can use her "Feminine whiles" to make Cyril her lap dog.

But why would she? He brings literally nothing to the table except for his own obsessive tendencies, and there's no lack of that in ISB already. He only wound up on Ferrix because of the phone call from his equally-idiotic-can't-let-****-go buddy who got busted down to hard labor for his participation in the initial raid. He has a **** job in logistics, and he doesn't even have the juice to move out of his mother's apartment.

Yeah... he's really an asset she needs.

She'll make him believe that he's important! She'll use him for future intel...he'll be ready to try to please her by any means.
Don't forget; he has to please 2 women and the most important one is his Mother!
Here's a man, that I would compare to a member of Incel, that will be suddenly popular (feminine attention). He "saved" Dedra from the mob and that's one point he scored.
Whatever "importance" he acquires after that will be a win to show his Mother how capable/indispensable he has become for ISB no less (not knowing if his actions are actually valuable at all since Dedra could very well use him for menial work and not disclose, or lie as to the level of importance of such work to him).
He'll be her puppet; she'll pull the strings and he'll come faster than a speeding bullet (My 2 cents)

 

[joberg]

so he parked it in the same spot where he knew the person he was trying to kill knew where he parked before? I would think Luthen would be a lot more careful. There would be no way whatsoever he got there before Luthen...not a chance.

oh...and left it unguarded, unlocked or whatever so Andor could just stroll right up in it, no problem.

Sure...who's capable of flying that ship? Seems to me that the list of candidates is...0!

 

[joberg]

First of all, I'm not the Rebels/Clone Wars crowd, so thanks for generalizing...i never said to you personally that Andor wasn't Star Wars enough for you...i said it wasn't Star Wars to me...ME!!! I agree with you about Mando being cameo of the week, i didn't like that either. I never said Mando was better written than Andor...Like you, i have my doubts with Mando season 3. It doesn't bother you that they put a way better effort into Andor than anything previously? Now that you guys have had 40 plus pages of non dissenting viewpoints and got to bask in each others praises, the fact that i presented a different opinion has you all up in arms...sorry not sorry. Just because you feel you got dog piled on in a previous thread, what now you feel you have the go ahead to "join with the crowd" and do some dog piling of your own? You have the right if you want. I have the right to express my thoughts too. I did. Imagine if i said, "no one has the right to tell me that Andor is better than the OT"...They most certainly have the right to say that to me...I think that opinion is laughable, but they have the right to say it. Please...let's not digress to the the officer who covered up the droid in the finale just because he didn't want the message to get out. That's something the Empire does...not the Rebels.

SW and the OT are the base of establishing a Galaxy/World that has many faces. Now that the boxes have been ticked with any variations on that theme; it's normal to have a variation that will not please some people...but, to me; it's still within the SW World, within that ''sand box"

 

[CopperRevan]

SW and the OT are the base of establishing a Galaxy/World that has many faces. Now that the boxes have been ticked with any variations on that theme; it's normal to have a variation that will not please some people...but, to me; it's still within the SW World, within that ''sand box"

wolfsburg comment #1,143 just really summarizes what i was trying to communicate...he just did it better than i, lol

 

[joberg]

Hasn't Andor made a big mess of things? Why does Luthen want this guy so badly? He seems to make a mess wherever he goes, and now he is well known and wanted by the Empire. Plus there is that whole being a murderer thing.

I only watched, and fast forwarded through a lot of it to see if they were gonna do anything with Luthen. Nope.

For the love of all that is good and holy please let the Death Star go. It's been done beyond to death. Is it really that exciting that they were making parts for it????

Spoiler alert, the Death Star gets blown up and Cassian will survive through the entire series. Call it a hunch.

As always I am thrilled that so many of you love this series, even if I don't. I think you are all sharing the same big pile of drugs, but if your happy, I'm happy.

Sure; we know about the Death Star since the Prequel...check box. To show those parts being essential to the construction of it, by prisoners no less, seems to satisfy some of the viewers. Some would've liked to see those parts (as soon as they had completed them) to be thrown out to sea outside of the prison walls...to show the uselessness of the whole exercise
Some, like you, are really fed-up with the reminder: "Hey, let's put the DS in here to show what the whole thing is all about!"

 

[firesprite]

She'll make him believe that he's important! She'll use him for future intel...he'll be ready to try to please her by any means.
Don't forget; he has to please 2 women and the most important one is his Mother!
Here's a man, that I would compare to a member of Incel, that will be suddenly popular (feminine attention). He "saved" Dedra from the mob and that's one point he scored.
Whatever "importance" he acquires after that will be a win to show his Mother how capable/indispensable he has become for ISB no less (not knowing if his actions are actually valuable at all since Dedra could very well use him for menial work and not disclose, or lie as to the level of importance of such work to him).
He'll be her puppet; she'll pull the strings and he'll come faster than a speeding bullet (My 2 cents)

No.

 

[modelcitizen]

no what.
i also don't think we're watching a budding romance....

 

[Jodo]

Dedra can use her "Feminine whiles" to make Cyril her lap dog.

But why would she? He brings literally nothing to the table except for his own obsessive tendencies, and there's no lack of that in ISB already. He only wound up on Ferrix because of the phone call from his equally-idiotic-can't-let-****-go buddy who got busted down to hard labor for his participation in the initial raid. He has a **** job in logistics, and he doesn't even have the juice to move out of his mother's apartment.

Yeah... he's really an asset she needs.

Really enjoyed the fact that she didn’t thank him either. “I should say thank you.” Is a fantastic line of dialogue in response to his actions.

 

[Wolfsburg]

Dedra is nothing if not resourceful and frankly I don't think it's that implausible she might find a way to take advantage of some incel type that's clearly simping for her who is also outside the confines of ISB bureaucracy. He could serve some purpose off the books...

 

[modelcitizen]

i think the weasleing in by any means is the real thing of that story thread aye.