Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

[firesprite]

and as much as kleya seems a bit similar to leia, i don't picture leia strutting around coruscant like kleya

At this point, Leia should be interning in her dad's office, preparing for her own time as a Senator and later rule of Alderaan. She's not working in an antique's shop.

 

[modelcitizen]

aye and never seemed to have to posture strut

 

[dascoyne]

At this point, Leia should be interning in her dad's office, preparing for her own time as a Senator and later rule of Alderaan. She's not working in an antique's shop.

Maybe she wanted to be more well-rounded in her CV?

 

[Jodo]

Read through the last few pages of this thread, and I look forward to going through the rest!

If anyone is curious, I can’t get my wife to watch this show, sober or drunk! She goes to bed, and then I watch it late Wednesday or Thursday night.

For me, Andor was honestly not my favorite for the first four episodes or so. Having wrote numerous short stories and plays, the idea of “starting the story as close to the action as possible” is always in the back of my mind. I know the real inciting incident is supposed to be Cassian killing the two space cops, but it could have just as easily been Cassian being recruited for the heist on Aldani. I’m not a fan of those first few slow episodes because it didn’t seem to build fast enough or make me feel as if there were any stakes. The episode right before the heist and after that have all been good to excellent though!

I will say, the best moments of this show, so far, have all been imperial centric. The Imperial army stuff has been fantastic (and good to see other enlisted men, outside of stormtroopers), and all of the ISB stuff. Anything with either entity is good in my book! I love seeing this many officers in one place too.

Hopefully Hasbro starts offering more army builders soon! I ordered 6 Aldani Cassians to start squad building those style costumes. I’m thinking I want another 6 or more…

 

[joberg]

I think that part of the problem was that by the Prequels, George was no longer the collaborator that he was during ANH, & Empire, and possibly Jedi. By the time the Prequels came around, he no longer had anybody to tweak his vision and keep him grounded. Either by choice or by rep he seemed to be surrounded by yes men and nobody had the power and/or the guts to tell him no whenever he came up with a bad idea. Every idea was a great idea and nobody could or would tell him otherwise.

I also think that by the Prequels George had doubled down on his love of tech and the tech of filmmaking rather than the art of it, which was why the Prequels were so reliant on CG. That and he had been largely out of the directing and movie game for quite a while. So I'd say that combined with his love of tech, George had gotten extremely rusty by the time he chose to make the Prequels and it's doubtful that he would have gotten "in shape" by the time he might have decided to finally do a sequel trilogy.

I think that you've hit the nail on the head George's love for the tech rather than the Art of filmmaking is almost like comparing Art Nouveau vs. Art Deco.
Art Nouveau definition: organic, close to Nature = ANH
Art Deco definition: the machine age = revisionism of the OT and the Prequel.

That's how I see the whole SW series; from BOBF to OW to, a certain extend, The Mandalorian: machine producing no Art involved

 

[Mottrex]

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I want one!
I have a rubber ducky though.

 

[Mottrex]

One thing I’m not sure of, how many months or years have passed in the first 10 episodes.

Time has clearly passed, but how much? How long was he in prison?

The minutes have been counted..
And its 47 minutes or so

 

[firesprite]

So, we don't have firm grips on time passage for most episodes, but, upon his arrival in Narkina 5, Cassian's count was 2189. In One Way Out, it was 2155, so a total of 34 days.

 

[ghostryder]

 

[NakedMoleRat]

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Just another example of the brilliant writing of this show!

 

[dascoyne]

I’m really worried about Lonni. We’ve seen Lt. Meera look at him sideways before marching out of the room. It is likely she smells a rat.

I hope Lonni doesn’t get outed and interrogated. I hope he doesn’t give up Luthen.

 

[Mottrex]

I’m really worried about Lonni. We’ve seen Lt. Meera look at him sideways before marching out of the room. It is likely she smells a rat.

I hope Lonni doesn’t get outed and interrogated. I hope he doesn’t give up Luthen.

I think it was to show how Male centric The Empire/ISB is and its not the first time another has interrupted and curried favour stealing her Thunder..
Her true intentions are somewhat hard to read but maybe just maybe she secretly either wants out.. or a seat with the larger players

I was surprised she allowed kyle to talk to her and for so long in that way openly without any action taken on her part..
Certainly nothing we know of anyway.

 

[dascoyne]

I think it was to show how Male centric The Empire/ISB is and its not the first time another has interrupted and curried favour stealing her Thunder..
Her true intentions are somewhat hard to read but maybe just maybe she secretly either wants out.. or a seat with the larger players

I was surprised she allowed kyle to talk to her and for so long in that way openly without any action taken on her part..
Certainly nothing we know of anyway.

I disagree completely. It would be entirely out of character for Dedra Meero to storm out of a room just because of a "mansplaining." And if the writer wanted to show an Imperial patriarchy, it would have done so from the beginning in any one of her earlier interactions. A show that isn’t written as well would use the depiction of a patriarchy as a shortcut for "Empire bad." This show is a lot better than that.

If anything this show actually describes the Empire as quite egalitarian. They make a point that the structure of the Empire creates bureaucrats who are more interested in career advancement than overall efficacy. Dedra's reputation for ingenuity is why she was brought into the ISB and why she started to make waves. She stepped outside of protocol by running her investigation of stolen tech outside of her jurisdiction into other sectors. Naturally the other ISB supervisor, Blevin, interpreted this as an attempt to usurp control of one of his six sectors because, in his experience, that is exactly what career-minded bureaucrats do. This led to the confrontation where he accuses her of going "rogue" (pun intended?) but she takes the opportunity to describe and criticise the weakness of the system that, she believes, are being exploited by an occult rebellion. There is nothing about that exchange that suggests Blevin might be attacking Meero because of her gender. She was attacked for disturbing the status quo. It would have been no different if she was male. And Lt. Meero is actually favored for her enterprise despite being the newcomer.

My initial read of her response to Lonni was that she might have thought he was being another competitive bureaucrat, like Blevin. But I thought it was strange that she left the room. In my next viewing, after I knew he was a rebel mole, I can see that his suggestion to have the Empire investigate would be a tipoff to cancel the planned raid on the power station because of the added Imperial scrutiny. Lt. Meero is adept enough to notice this and it sparked her suspicion of him. She probably left so she can start investigating Lonni.


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I, too, was surprised she let Syril go on the way he did. I think she was initially just in disbelief but, as he was talking, she wasn't looking directly at him. I think the wheels in her head had her thinking of ways she could use Syril and his fanaticism as a tool.

I disagree with folks who say they are similar. They are distincly dissimilar. Syril, with his overbearing mother, has something to prove. Dedra has nothing to prove. Her actions are devoid of ego. For Syril everything he does is dictated by his ego.

 

[jkno]

 

[Riceball]

I disagree completely. It would be entirely out of character for Dedra Meero to storm out of a room just because of a "mansplaining." And if the writer wanted to show an Imperial patriarchy, it would have done so from the beginning in any one of her earlier interactions. A show that isn’t written as well would use the depiction of a patriarchy as a shortcut for "Empire bad." This show is a lot better than that.

If anything this show actually describes the Empire as quite egalitarian. They make a point that the structure of the Empire creates bureaucrats who are more interested in career advancement than overall efficacy. Dedra's reputation for ingenuity is why she was brought into the ISB and why she started to make waves. She stepped outside of protocol by running her investigation of stolen tech outside of her jurisdiction into other sectors. Naturally the other ISB supervisor, Blevin, interpreted this as an attempt to usurp control of one of his six sectors because, in his experience, that is exactly what career-minded bureaucrats do. This led to the confrontation where he accuses her of going "rogue" (pun intended?) but she takes the opportunity to describe and criticise the weakness of the system that, she believes, are being exploited by an occult rebellion. There is nothing about that exchange that suggests Blevin might be attacking Meero because of her gender. She was attacked for disturbing the status quo. It would have been no different if she was male. And Lt. Meero is actually favored for her enterprise despite being the newcomer.

I've always seen the Empire as being loosely based on Nazi Germany and how all of the big players in the government were more concerned about establishing and expanding their personal fiefdoms rather than the greater good of Germany and this likely worked its way to down to all but the lowest members of their respective organizations. Of course, in both the case of Nazi Germany and the Empire, this was quite deliberate as it kept the top minions too busy squabbling amongst themselves to ever work together to conspire to topple Hitler or, in this case, the Emperor. We even see aspects of this in the US today where all of the various alphabet agencies within the government along with the various branches of the military don't always cooperate because they're overly protective of their turf and don't want to be seen as not completely necessary, or parts of their responsibilities as being done better by someone else, and thus losing budget dollars the nest fiscal year.

 

[Treadwell]

Reminds me of the maddening and unnecessary death of Cosmonaut Vladimir Komarov, brought about by people afraid to pass bad news up the chain of command.

 

[Mottrex]

I disagree completely. It would be entirely out of character for Dedra Meero to storm out of a room just because of a "mansplaining." And if the writer wanted to show an Imperial patriarchy, it would have done so from the beginning in any one of her earlier interactions. A show that isn’t written as well would use the depiction of a patriarchy as a shortcut for "Empire bad." This show is a lot better than that.

If anything this show actually describes the Empire as quite egalitarian. They make a point that the structure of the Empire creates bureaucrats who are more interested in career advancement than overall efficacy. Dedra's reputation for ingenuity is why she was brought into the ISB and why she started to make waves. She stepped outside of protocol by running her investigation of stolen tech outside of her jurisdiction into other sectors. Naturally the other ISB supervisor, Blevin, interpreted this as an attempt to usurp control of one of his six sectors because, in his experience, that is exactly what career-minded bureaucrats do. This led to the confrontation where he accuses her of going "rogue" (pun intended?) but she takes the opportunity to describe and criticise the weakness of the system that, she believes, are being exploited by an occult rebellion. There is nothing about that exchange that suggests Blevin might be attacking Meero because of her gender. She was attacked for disturbing the status quo. It would have been no different if she was male. And Lt. Meero is actually favored for her enterprise despite being the newcomer.

My initial read of her response to Lonni was that she might have thought he was being another competitive bureaucrat, like Blevin. But I thought it was strange that she left the room. In my next viewing, after I knew he was a rebel mole, I can see that his suggestion to have the Empire investigate would be a tipoff to cancel the planned raid on the power station because of the added Imperial scrutiny. Lt. Meero is adept enough to notice this and it sparked her suspicion of him. She probably left so she can start investigating Lonni.


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I, too, was surprised she let Syril go on the way he did. I think she was initially just in disbelief but, as he was talking, she wasn't looking directly at him. I think the wheels in her head had her thinking of ways she could use Syril and his fanaticism as a tool.

I disagree with folks who say they are similar. They are distincly dissimilar. Syril, with his overbearing mother, has something to prove. Dedra has nothing to prove. Her actions are devoid of ego. For Syril everything he does is dictated by his ego.

I guess we will have to wait and see as the story unfolds but I dont think Suprised is in her skill set..disbelief maybe.

 

[dascoyne]

 

[Jodo]

 

[robstyle]

Realistically she would allow dude to keep talking as long as he could keep giving insight and information. She's an information agent. In an outside setting the information he may have could be used for personal gain as there are no other eyes and ears attached. The only fault I see with her handling of the issue is to push him away. He is a valuable and disposable asset with insight to inerworkings of a system she is investigating. Thus far its the biggest ball drop all around.