Star Wars Andor (Disney+ TV series)

[Mottrex]

Andor is the best Star Wars since Return of the Jedi, and that’s only because I’m nostalgic.

I think you hit the nail in the head there, like its larger cousin Rogue One it certainly has that vintage feel..

Maybe George let slip some of that Gene in a Bottle to someone that cared enough to really know what to do with it..

If they play it carefully enough which they seem to be adding layer upon layer I could see it running a good few seasons..

And as others have mentioned we are getting to see the horrifying beginnings of The Empire and the type of people it attracts..

I love Midcentury design so all these concrete sets and locations look Amazing..
I also find myself watching an episode multiple times which I cant say I've really done as much with the last bunch of shows..
Its a crying shame they didn't go this route with ObiWan but then it might not have been the same show..

I enjoyed the Prison break and felt quite tense watching thinking who would survive.
Mons character is wonderful to watch and unlike the prequels feels more solid with stakes getting higher with greater risks..

Question..
Is that supposed to be Leia in the shop, she certainly looks and sounds like her. Maybe thats going to be a reveal at some point.

 

[Mottrex]

I really hope we see more of Serkis. It would be a tragedy if we didn’t.

"It turns out I can swim"

Its great to finally see Andy have a character he can literally chew up every scene and zero Cgi..
I've always wanted to see a vehicle that really shows his acting chops and this is it..

I want him in the Rebellion.

 

[alluvial damper]

Maybe George let slip some of that Gene in a Bottle to someone that cared enough to really know what to do with it..

George would never have been able to create something like this. His creative output since the first six epiodes have been abysmal. And that was a long time ago. As a filmmaker he burned out too fast and too early (compared to the other peers of his time)

From what I know of SW filmmaking, it was a gigantic task and we should be greatfull we even got something after ANH/TESB/ROTJ

While he did conceive the SW universe (thank the maker!), film/TV making have gone lightyears beyond those days

Was it the right decision to sell the lot to the Mouse? No, I don't think so., but what other buyer - or possibilites - was out there?

I respect his wish to call it quits. A hero in retirement is still a hero of mine

Anyway, back to Andor. This is an interesting article :

Andor's Torture Device Originally Had a Sound to Go With It

The sonic death headphones had a unique noise engineered that was ultimately cut for good reason.

gizmodo.com

 

[JOATRASH FX]

Last night, for the first time, in a long time, Star Wars had me on the edge of my seat again.

 

[Somerset]

Good interview with Tony Gilroy here: ‘Andor’ Creator Tony Gilroy Talks Luthen Rael’s Future and Being Surprised by Certain Easter Eggs

 

[Mottrex]

We're talking about an entire galaxy where droids are commonplace and a part of every day life. Modern day earth, as it were, is in the infancy of such tech so of course it is gonna cost more. Modern day earth is not analogous to the GFFA. If peasants on Tatooine can own droids, they can't be as expensive as you guys seem to think they are for some reason. There has been zero in the movies that implies that your average droid is prohibitively expensive.

I certainly didn't expect the merits of automated mass production vs a living workforce building things by hand to be a topic of discussion but we certainly will have to agree to disagree. Clearly I'm in the minority in my thinking!

I'm sure they prolly have $ store selling droids in that universe or a Walmart/Asda shop selling cheap as chips models ..
After all they have had droids of various descriptions going back forever in the SW Universe.

Maybe even a holo mag subscription or layaway options.. but who would buy those

I am being a bit flip but in a way it stands to reason if they require manual labour its for one of two reasons..
Its run by fascists trying to break their captives will.
Or..
Its run by Fascists trying to save a credit or two..

Prolly both..

 

[jusdrewit]

One of the many aspects I am really enjoying of Andor is how scary, efficient and ruthless the Empire is being portrayed as. Whether it's the new PORD directive giving the ISB a scary amount of sweeping power, Deedra being smart and cunning, or even a citizen looking at a shoretrooper wrong and bam 6 years in prison, it's terrifying. This is what i wished the FO had been portrayed as instead of buffoons, perhaps even a more radicalized former Empire.

The last two episodes of Andor can't come soon enough

 

[Mottrex]

George would never have been able to create something like this. His creative output since the first six epiodes have been abysmal. And that was a long time ago. As a filmmaker he burned out too fast and too early (compared to the other peers of his time)

From what I know of SW filmmaking, it was a gigantic task and we should be greatfull we even got something after ANH/TESB/ROTJ

While he did conceive the SW universe (thank the maker!), film/TV making have gone lightyears beyond those days

Was it the right decision to sell the lot to the Mouse? No, I don't think so., but what other buyer - or possibilites - was out there?

I respect his wish to call it quits. A hero in retirement is still a hero of mine

Anyway, back to Andor. This is an interesting article :

Andor's Torture Device Originally Had a Sound to Go With It

The sonic death headphones had a unique noise engineered that was ultimately cut for good reason.

gizmodo.com

I did say maybe..

I have to agree.. the narrative seems to make perfect sense sound plausibly convincing and glides off the actors tongue like a Harold Pinter play.
Of sorts..

 

[ghostryder]

 

[Somerset]

And another: How 'Andor' Drew from... Joseph Stalin? Plus: Inside Season 2 of the Revolutionary Star Wars Show

 

[joberg]

The first Easter Egg I saw was at Luthen's store was Queen Amidala's head cover from the Prequels

 

[modelcitizen]

Formulaic writing leans too heavily on plot twists and mystery boxes and, so far, the writer(s) of Andor seem far more polished and confident than to rely on insipid devices.

(In fairness, are a lot of light-skinned folks who you'd never guess were Mexican if you saw them. e.g. singer Lucero)

aye. me too. i'm mexi but deedras full on british or english or whatever the correct term is

 

[NakedMoleRat]

Another minor point might be the attitude of the Galaxy at large towards droids in the aftermath of the Clone Wars. I believe it was already casually retconned before the Disney acquisition that one of the reasons behind Wuher's "We don't serve their kind" in A New Hope was that many people harbor ill will towards droids considering the actions of the Confederacy during the war. I Know the initial reasoning behind it was that droids took up space in the bar that could be filled by an actual paying costumer, but after the release of Episode 1 (long before Disney) a concerted effort was made in the EU to bring up that a lot of people were distrustful of Droids and often at best tolerant of them.

Given that a lot of the Empire's staff and facilities were born out of existing Republic infrastructure, especially in the early days, it could make sense in the context of the story that the folks in the prison bureau having possibly fought Battle Droids or been occupied by them, would be reluctant to utilize them, when human labor could be easily supplied.

Of course this is all just baseless conjecture to attempt to justify a plot point as viewed through our own life experience. Star Wars takes place in a fictional universe where not everything has to have a perfect analogue or correlation to life on Earth. Heck, even societies on Earth still have little cultural quirks that seem ridiculous or inconceivable to other people on the same planet, even on the same continent.

It's like in the costuming world when people try to apply real life logic to Stormtrooper or Mandalorian armor, and talk about how a modern military does it differently and how they think the costumes and armor should be, based on their experiences in the military or Law Enforcement.

Some times stuff in Star Wars just doesn't make sense through a current world view point because it is set in a different universe. It could just be as simple as in the Star Wars universe that massive automated factories just aren't a thing. Even in AotC 3PO seems taken aback by the concept of the factory, "Machines making Machines? How preserve!"

The Empire doesn’t seem to care about Stormtroopers any more than they do droids.

Heck, their ‘armor’ is made out of vacuum formed ABS.

 

[dascoyne]

The Empire doesn’t seem to care about Stormtroopers any more than they do droids.

Heck, their ‘armor’ is made out of vacuum formed ABS.

That's not even going to protect you when falling down a flight of stairs.

 

[Kylash]

It really makes you wonder, what happened to all those other prison facilities after the Empire fell. Did the Republic review everyones case, close them all together, maintain them?

 

[Treadwell]

It really makes you wonder, what happened to all those other prison facilities after the Empire fell. Did the Republic review everyones case, close them all together, maintain them?

Dealing with the multitude of issues like that would be much more difficult than winning the war in the first place. I do not envy anyone trying to run the New Republic!

 

[dascoyne]

It really makes you wonder, what happened to all those other prison facilities after the Empire fell. Did the Republic review everyones case, close them all together, maintain them?

I would guess they would take the care to assemble a judicial commission solely to review sentencing on a case by case basis.

or they can just send them all to the spice mines and pave it over in the history books.

 

[Jaitea]

With the quality of Andor, I’m hoping that the Favreau & Filoni team start pulling their socks up, they’ve been letting things slip recently

J

 

[Wolfsburg]

I was thinking about Syril Karn earlier and just having no clue where they are going with him. It occurred to me that with him seeming increasingly unhinged, I’m wondering if he does something drastic, like a suicide bomb outside the ISB or assassinating Meera for spurning him, and the Empire attributes blame on the Rebels. Maybe that’s another linchpin event (like the Reichstag fire, in a historical context)? So in death, Karn inadvertently contributes to the Rebel cause as the Empire further clamps down, just as Luthen wanted…lol

 

[Riceball]

George would never have been able to create something like this. His creative output since the first six epiodes have been abysmal. And that was a long time ago. As a filmmaker he burned out too fast and too early (compared to the other peers of his time)

From what I know of SW filmmaking, it was a gigantic task and we should be greatfull we even got something after ANH/TESB/ROTJ

While he did conceive the SW universe (thank the maker!), film/TV making have gone lightyears beyond those days

Was it the right decision to sell the lot to the Mouse? No, I don't think so., but what other buyer - or possibilites - was out there?

I think that part of the problem was that by the Prequels, George was no longer the collaborator that he was during ANH, & Empire, and possibly Jedi. By the time the Prequels came around, he no longer had anybody to tweak his vision and keep him grounded. Either by choice or by rep he seemed to be surrounded by yes men and nobody had the power and/or the guts to tell him no whenever he came up with a bad idea. Every idea was a great idea and nobody could or would tell him otherwise.

I also think that by the Prequels George had doubled down on his love of tech and the tech of filmmaking rather than the art of it, which was why the Prequels were so reliant on CG. That and he had been largely out of the directing and movie game for quite a while. So I'd say that combined with his love of tech, George had gotten extremely rusty by the time he chose to make the Prequels and it's doubtful that he would have gotten "in shape" by the time he might have decided to finally do a sequel trilogy.