Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Pre-release)

[p51]

Frankly, I don't need (or even care) to see Vader or any of the other primary characters in this film at all. I love the idea of showing that the reality of Episode 4 was so much larger than we were shown in that one film. I just got a little disappointed form the trailer that the design people simply had to create a bunch of stuff you never saw in any of the original films. Modified stormtroopers in black, different spacecraft and all that? Is it even possible for a new movie to be made where someone doesn't create a whole bunch of new stuff that leads to the question, "Why didn't they have that in the previous movies?"

Cuz if you REALLY read that page, he lives in absolute pain and misery every day of his life, and it's all thanks the Emperor.

Yeah, I'd never really though of what the suit was really doing to/for the character all that time. No wonder he had no compunction about offing people (or even planets for that matter) I'd also never realized in ROTJ when he gets zapped that you can see his spine has lots of machine parts in it.
Is it just me or did it not seem like Anakin was really that messed up by Kenobi at the end of Ep 3 to merit all that? Could we assume that Vader had other things happen after he put the suit on for good?

 

[DINVADER]

About the Stormtrooper variations, somewhat silly to think they ONLY had what we saw in the OT (original trilogy), we didn't see Scout troopers in ANH or ESB, and didn't see Snowtroopers in ANH or ROTJ either. We never saw the shoulder padded called Sandtroopers after ANH either in the originals when they all could have coexisted with even more varieties. Same goes for vehicles/ships.

Frankly, I don't need (or even care) to see Vader or any of the other primary characters in this film at all. I love the idea of showing that the reality of Episode 4 was so much larger than we were shown in that one film. I just got a little disappointed form the trailer that the design people simply had to create a bunch of stuff you never saw in any of the original films. Modified stormtroopers in black, different spacecraft and all that? Is it even possible for a new movie to be made where someone doesn't create a whole bunch of new stuff that leads to the question, "Why didn't they have that in the previous movies?"
Yeah, I'd never really though of what the suit was really doing to/for the character all that time. No wonder he had no compunction about offing people (or even planets for that matter) I'd also never realized in ROTJ when he gets zapped that you can see his spine has lots of machine parts in it.
Is it just me or did it not seem like Anakin was really that messed up by Kenobi at the end of Ep 3 to merit all that? Could we assume that Vader had other things happen after he put the suit on for good?

 

[Riceball]

Is it just me or did it not seem like Anakin was really that messed up by Kenobi at the end of Ep 3 to merit all that? Could we assume that Vader had other things happen after he put the suit on for good?

Given that he was burned all over almost all of his body, had multiple limbs chopped off, potentially damaged lungs from being so close to the lava, I'd say, yea, he probably needs all of that. Part of it also may be that the Emperor didn't want Anakin to make a 100% recovery, the suit was a way to help further tie Vader to him, make him think that the suit was the best tech available and that would make him not only grateful, but reliant on the Emperor and his techs for keeping his suit up and running.

 

[Bryancd]

Yeah, I think people need to abandon all these notions that if we didn't see something in the OT it can't exist in new films set in that era.

 

[DINVADER]

We wanna see new stuff! WAH! Stop showing us the old stuff! New stuff? We never saw that before, we should just see the old stuff! I tell you they cannot win making these films. As I said before, you'd have to be out of your mind to want to direct or write one. The insane pressure.

Yeah, I think people need to abandon all these notions that if we didn't see something in the OT it can't exist in new films set in that era.

 

[p51]

Yeah, I think people need to abandon all these notions that if we didn't see something in the OT it can't exist in new films set in that era.

And the primary reason for that is the folks making movies must justify their jobs by making their 'mark' by coming up with something new. That's okay when your story progresses, but when it goes back like this does, it becomes obvious that you're looking at multi-colored stormtroopers for no reason other than the current production people wanted to make their mark and again, be able to say, "See? I introduced that to canon!"
Just like management in a company, they have to change something to say they'd done so when their annual evals come around. Doesn't make a difference if it was a good idea or if it's removed by the next person in that slot.

 

[cboath]

Please...

Travel...and you'll see lots of differences. When I went to Paris (coming from the middle of the US) - sure, the planes were the same, but virtually every car i ran across in Paris i'd never seen before stateside. All those little tiny things DRASTICALLY different architecture (one place is 2000 years old the other is barely 200.) Completely different in layout - here, everything is surrounded by oceans of concrete, there it's more of 'what's a parking lot'. Do I need to go on? There are endless differences in the exact same time here on our planet, yet there are those saying you can't have different ships on different planets across the galaxy?? Seriously?

We saw a whopping three battles, the same republic fleet (more or less) twice, maybe two different imperial fleets and that was it. Period. That was the OT. To say nothing else existed in the galaxy other than what we saw is, at best, extremely naive, at worst, completely dumb.

 

[Bryancd]

And the primary reason for that is the folks making movies must justify their jobs by making their 'mark' by coming up with something new. That's okay when your story progresses, but when it goes back like this does, it becomes obvious that you're looking at multi-colored stormtroopers for no reason other than the current production people wanted to make their mark and again, be able to say, "See? I introduced that to canon!"
Just like management in a company, they have to change something to say they'd done so when their annual evals come around. Doesn't make a difference if it was a good idea or if it's removed by the next person in that slot.

Not really, that's simply your opinion. Others see it differently.

 

[robn1]

And the primary reason for that is the folks making movies must justify their jobs by making their 'mark' by coming up with something new. That's okay when your story progresses, but when it goes back like this does, it becomes obvious that you're looking at multi-colored stormtroopers for no reason other than the current production people wanted to make their mark and again, be able to say, "See? I introduced that to canon!"
Just like management in a company, they have to change something to say they'd done so when their annual evals come around. Doesn't make a difference if it was a good idea or if it's removed by the next person in that slot.

Did the Marines and Sailors in the Pacific have the same uniforms, gear, planes etc. as the Army in Europe?

 

[DINVADER]

We already had Tie Fighter Pilots that wore all black. What's wrong with another division or two of troops with a couple different colors? The argument that we didn't see them in the narrow shots of troops we saw in the original films doesn't fly. We didn't see a lot of things in those movies that existed in that universe.

 

[Bryancd]

There are numerous reasons to introduce new things in films set in a previously established universe. There are narrative reasons, creative choices, prividing for a sense of world building that makes the universe that much richer. I'm not sure why it's necesary to explain something so obvious.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

I'm all for new variations on Stormtroopers. Let's just not get crazy like the EU where we have ridiculous versions like Magma Troopers, Swamp Troopers, etc. I think ROTS did a good job of showing variations of different equipment on the same basic armor.

 

[Father]

I'm all for new variations on Stormtroopers. Let's just not get crazy like the EU where we have ridiculous versions like Magma Troopers, Swamp Troopers, etc. I think ROTS did a good job of showing variations of different equipment on the same basic armor.

If they don't have Aqua Troopers and Sewer Troopers and Pet Rescue Troopers and Child Murdering Troopers then how will WalMart stock their shelves with action figuresnobody wants to buy? Think of the theoretical collectors and merchandising that is lost by now expanding the Troopers as far as possible....

 

[Betamin]

If they don't have Aqua Troopers and Sewer Troopers and Pet Rescue Troopers and Child Murdering Troopers then how will WalMart stock their shelves with action figuresnobody wants to buy? Think of the theoretical collectors and merchandising that is lost by now expanding the Troopers as far as possible....

Don't forget the Pooper Scooper Trooper, for Imperial Park Patrol.

 

[Halliwax]

i would be a pet rescue trooper for sure!

 

[Treadwell]

Yeah, the different trooper designations all came from fans, which infiltrated the EU. There has been no onscreen distinction between troopers. Unless I'm forgetting something, no one in any of the movies has ever said "sandtrooper", "snowtrooper", etc. They're just troopers, outfitted differently depending upon the mission.

 

[JLeezy23]

We've seen the new First Order and their variations of troopers. The Death Star had troopers dressed the same, let's say that was the basic training outfit they use when first drafted. Then they board different star destroyers and are sent to different outposts which require different armors. We've seen stormtroopers, samdtroopers, snowtroopers, scout troopers, TIE Pilots, etc. But these were the closest squadrons to Vader and the Emperor, let's say there's a lot more variations out there and if we explore new planets and situations, then they need a new suit for that occasion.

Or we can say the Empire supplied the materials and each star destroyer had their own designers who made them straight off the line to accomodate the situations on the fly. The regular TK was a basic default design made on the Death Star. And we can say each ship has its own assembly line and they make different designs with the same materials. There were like a million Empire ships, weren't there? If they can supply that many ships, I'd hope they came fully loaded to help out the armies that they carry.

 

[Lear60man]

I like Stormtroper variants as much as the next guy. But based on the trailer, they messed with the base armor and thats wrong. Its iconic and doesnt need to be tweaked just because some costume designer wants to mix things up..

 

[Treadwell]

The Rogue One armor is less different from ANH than ROTJ armor is.
They don't look to me as change for change sake. They were just solutions that the new real-life armorer came up with to costume his cast efficiently.

 

[SofaKing01]

Adding new costumes is exactly the same as adding new characters. So long as these characters / new costumes add and enriches the storyline then we all benefit. Especially since we all get to make new props!