Those are great shots that confirm a few things I suspected and was wondering about!
Time to dig in and finalize the model...
Rey's Gun TFA
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Those are great shots that confirm a few things I suspected and was wondering about!
Time to dig in and finalize the model...
mortifactor
Well-Known Member
There's something quite awkward about the design that makes me think it has found parts. Also look at the shape of the grips on the behind shot, the way they flare out at the top. It could be a clue to the origin of the grips. The middle bit reminds me of something so much, but I can't quite place it.
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Don't just think guns, think petrol pumps, air tools, riveters, other tools etc. I think even the back frame might even be from something.
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Don't just think guns, think petrol pumps, air tools, riveters, other tools etc. I think even the back frame might even be from something.
newmagrathea
Sr Member
Those screws that we see in this shot look like those anti theft license plate screws. It's a hex with a pin and come with its own special tool.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
It may have a couple found parts, such as the grips (Mauser grips have a similar curve at the top) and I still think the lower barrel could be a guide spool from a reel player of some kind. But taking into account the large budget and the way modern prop houses and concept designers work, it would make more sense just to machine most of the thing from scratch based on whatever concept art there was. It's the path of least resistance. Back when Ep4 was made, they didn't do as much concept work before production but made stuff up as they went along. (Just think of how the Lightsabers were decided on!) Any modern film production with a solid budget will usually concept sketch the hell out of everything, leaving a lot less random creativity. Unless they suddenly needed to whip up a blaster from nothing.
If you look closely you can see where the parts seem to separate. (I actually went back and redid my entire model today to make it more accurate.)
I saw the torx right away. My car is full of 'em! (The regular kind, at least.) :lol
Lichtbringer
Master Member
I noticed that, but for me it looks like they mounted the detailed outer parts on a core.
Noeland
Master Member
It reminds me of many of the "improvised" guns you see being made in the middle east, and Australia.
I have a feeling this one was designed, machined and laser/plasma cut in all aluminum, and then assembled using maybe the HFC grips, but I have a feeling these were machined in polymer. I don't think this was a found item build. Just a hunch.
I have a feeling this one was designed, machined and laser/plasma cut in all aluminum, and then assembled using maybe the HFC grips, but I have a feeling these were machined in polymer. I don't think this was a found item build. Just a hunch.
If it were me, I'd mount everything to the laser/waterjet/plasma cut grip frame extending into the body.
Most Mauser grips I've seen have only had one screw. You can also see what looks like a tiny casting error on the back of the left grip...
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Just grabbed a 8mm alu plate, a spare set of my MGC grips for size reference, scaled the rest on them - and drew this draft of the inner aluframe. Needs later be plated with 1-2mm aluplates on the sides. Then the core on the big square, and adding the outer shell, .........
Lichtbringer
Master Member
Aye, on the frame, but with a core for good mounting. I´m a metal guy, we like it sturdy.
New made, or altered. I agree.
Lichtbringer
Master Member
C96 grips flare out. No idea if 712 really do.
darkphoenix2x5
New Member
I really want this. I've been a lurker on here for 10+ years, finally have some resources to maybe start building some stuff for myself. I do Art for film and commercials so I have a bit of experience. I usually PD/Art Direct so I rarely get to be hands on anymore, but I've built a few props from scratch for work before. I've not really done anything significant out of aluminum though.
I think the spool below the barrel is from a swingarm spool if they went the found parts route. Something similar to this: Amazon - Vortex SP209S Swingarm Spacer
But I'm thinking this is scratch built like Joatrash FX said. It doesn't make any sense when you could easily cnc almost the entire blaster.
Pretty sure the torx machine screws are standard 8-32. Probably 3/8 and 1/4 lengths.
I also feel like the grip section doesn't continue inside the chamber section. I feel like the grip bolts onto the inside of the rear plate of the chamber.
The main structure of the grip section is just a hair over 3 times the thickness of the sandwiched outer plates. The outer plates appear to be the same thickness as the sides, front and back of the chamber. As do the rounded upper and lower pieces of the chamber.
Based on all that, I'm guessing the barrel has a 1-1/16 in OD as the chamber is slightly wider (say 1-1/4 OD)
I think they just modified the stock mauser grips and than made casts based on the double screw mod. Found a few stock grips that have the same number of ridges and the flare.
Sorry for the word vomit.
I think the spool below the barrel is from a swingarm spool if they went the found parts route. Something similar to this: Amazon - Vortex SP209S Swingarm Spacer
But I'm thinking this is scratch built like Joatrash FX said. It doesn't make any sense when you could easily cnc almost the entire blaster.
Pretty sure the torx machine screws are standard 8-32. Probably 3/8 and 1/4 lengths.
I also feel like the grip section doesn't continue inside the chamber section. I feel like the grip bolts onto the inside of the rear plate of the chamber.
The main structure of the grip section is just a hair over 3 times the thickness of the sandwiched outer plates. The outer plates appear to be the same thickness as the sides, front and back of the chamber. As do the rounded upper and lower pieces of the chamber.
Based on all that, I'm guessing the barrel has a 1-1/16 in OD as the chamber is slightly wider (say 1-1/4 OD)
I think they just modified the stock mauser grips and than made casts based on the double screw mod. Found a few stock grips that have the same number of ridges and the flare.
Sorry for the word vomit.
newmagrathea
Sr Member
The C96 grips have a screw through the middle on all the guns I've seen. I'm not a big gun guy so I don't know if that is the only attachment configuration, but this gun the grips have a screw in the top and bottom.
Mara Jade's Father
Master Member
Could they have scanned a grip then modified the file to eliminate the existing screw hole and made new holes, then 3D printed them?
The spool is similar to a tension wheel from a large-format tape deck or film projector:
(However... it would take 10 minutes to machine, probably longer than it would take looking for a found part- especially if it has to match concept art.)
Regarding the torx: Keep in mind that the prop may have been made in the UK and so, could have metric dimensions (even if Imperial is the standard).
It would make more sense to extend the grip frame if it was laser cut and use the side-screws to mount it. can't really get much sturdier.
Feels like too much work, because scans need to be cleaned up. More likely they filled the existing holes in real grips and dripped new ones, then cast them. I noted before that the left grip has clear sign of extra resin on the edge.
Here's where I'm at with my model. I opted not to extend the grip frame all the way into the bodybecause it really isn't necessary for it to look accurate and would add lots of hours of print time (=higher cost).
Still some details left to tweak but:
