REF PICS OF THE AT-AT
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Lynn TXP 0369
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Here is my neck, It is 60mm fiberglass carburetor hose. It has a slight diagonal pattern to it, but it'll work.
I think the size looks pretty darn good when compared to this pic.
Lynn
I think the size looks pretty darn good when compared to this pic.
Lynn
Lynn TXP 0369
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Anyone else have an update on their AT-AT??
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My head is fully done and is painted and weatherd.
I totally rebuilt the hull sides out of styrene sheets like SteveTheSwede has done.
The hull is now about 90% done, I gotta build a few more armor plates for the rear end and add the docking plates on the bottom of the hull.
My butt tub is done and complete, I kit bashed the back side of mine to give it more detail.
Most of my bottom is almost done now.
I cut out most of the bottom and added the SaturnV parts to and detailed the rest of the bottom with all kinds of various model parts to give it some detail.
I can't go any further with the bottom until I get the Harrier engines for it here shortly.
Lynn
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Anyone else have an update on their AT-AT??
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My head is fully done and is painted and weatherd.
I totally rebuilt the hull sides out of styrene sheets like SteveTheSwede has done.
The hull is now about 90% done, I gotta build a few more armor plates for the rear end and add the docking plates on the bottom of the hull.
My butt tub is done and complete, I kit bashed the back side of mine to give it more detail.
Most of my bottom is almost done now.
I cut out most of the bottom and added the SaturnV parts to and detailed the rest of the bottom with all kinds of various model parts to give it some detail.
I can't go any further with the bottom until I get the Harrier engines for it here shortly.
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Well, stand by for a major update.
I'm working hard on the hull, everything's been changed, rebuilt and detailed with the correct kit parts. I'm still waiting for some Tamiya kits to arrive but I'm soon ready to present my finished hull!
Looking very cool so far!
Steve.
Looking very cool so far!
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
Well, I just got a 1/24th Airfix Harrier GR3 for my ATATron.
I was doing a test fit of the engines to see how they looked.
I'm afraid to say I think they are going to be toooooo small!!
I put the two halves back to back to see how they will look with each other and you would have to add 2"-3" on the rear engine to make it connect with the rear butt tub. The real one looks only like a 1/2" or so to make it connect.
I have to use the ATATron enigines and modify them to look somewhat close after all.
Any ideas, suggestions? This is not a good test fitting.
Lynn
I was doing a test fit of the engines to see how they looked.
I'm afraid to say I think they are going to be toooooo small!!
I put the two halves back to back to see how they will look with each other and you would have to add 2"-3" on the rear engine to make it connect with the rear butt tub. The real one looks only like a 1/2" or so to make it connect.
I have to use the ATATron enigines and modify them to look somewhat close after all.
Any ideas, suggestions? This is not a good test fitting.
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Lynn, You need to take them further back. You have not placed them correct. The Engines actually match up pretty good, the ones that came with the kit was to big. You may have to doctor the rear one a bit but not the front engine.
It will look fine!
Steve.
It will look fine!
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369
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STEVE THE SWEDE wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Lynn, You need to take them further back. You have not placed them correct. The Engines actually match up pretty good, the ones that came with the kit was to big. You may have to doctor the rear one a bit but not the front engine.
It's will look just fine!
Steve.
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I think my placement was off, but not by much as you think.
Here are some pics.
The rear engine looks like it is only extended 1" on the back at the max.
I replaced the engines to accomdate this and spaced the two engines halves again to look like the real one.
Look at the way the harrier engine are placed in relation to the side plates with the three "docking holes".
Mine are placed maybe 1/2" too far forward and that is all when compared with the real ATATs pics.
Here is a pic of the new placement when I redid it, the engines are tooooo far back.
Arrgg... My camera batteries just died so I'll get you a pic after work.
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Lynn, You need to take them further back. You have not placed them correct. The Engines actually match up pretty good, the ones that came with the kit was to big. You may have to doctor the rear one a bit but not the front engine.
It's will look just fine!
Steve.
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I think my placement was off, but not by much as you think.
Here are some pics.
The rear engine looks like it is only extended 1" on the back at the max.
I replaced the engines to accomdate this and spaced the two engines halves again to look like the real one.
Look at the way the harrier engine are placed in relation to the side plates with the three "docking holes".
Mine are placed maybe 1/2" too far forward and that is all when compared with the real ATATs pics.
Here is a pic of the new placement when I redid it, the engines are tooooo far back.
Arrgg... My camera batteries just died so I'll get you a pic after work.
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Lynn, the rear drive trains and hip mounts are not supossed to be mounted in the middle. They actually attach further to the back. This pic is only an ILM blue print but it actually shows an accurate placement of the entire set up.
As you can see it should all be pushed towards the back. The front train will match up great (I have tried) but the back one might have to be made a bit longer, not much though. Also remember that the back train is suppossed to have other parts attached in the rear which makes it longer too.
Steve.
As you can see it should all be pushed towards the back. The front train will match up great (I have tried) but the back one might have to be made a bit longer, not much though. Also remember that the back train is suppossed to have other parts attached in the rear which makes it longer too.
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369
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Steve, I see what your saying, but....
Please forgive my coloring skills here, I'll try to explain it a bit better with some referance points.
I know the engines are off center towards the back and I know the rear engine is longer as I have already stated above.
I have that pic you posted, but please look at what I'm trying to describe, maybe my coloring it will help explain it better.
The red lines in this pic convey where the Harrier halves are spaced in realtion to the 3 "docking ports" in the armor of the real model.
This pic is pretty much a direct side shot, so camera angles are not the much of a problem causing problems in perspective.
The red lines I have drawn here on my kit are of where the engines "should be" spaced when compared to the above pic of the real thing in relationship to the kits 3 "docking ports".
I have also lenghtend the engine in red as well to make it longer.
The black lines in the pic are where I placed mine for the pic, as I stated above, this was only a quick test pic, but my placment is only about a 1/2" different then then where the red lines have been drawn, thus making my quick engine placement not that far off when compared to the real model.
I have also lengthend the end "approximatly" 1" ( colored in red)
I colored the extended area on the rear in red, but I don't see any where else "in this pic" where it "may have" been lengthed elsewhere, unless it was lengthened where we can't see it, in which it is possible.
If you put the harrier engines where they need to go on my referance points I have made and lenghtend the rear end, "to me" it still comes up too small.
Engines repostioned with rear end extended by approximatly 1".
Now the whole thing is positioned too far back.
Just another quick pic with my "rough" 1" rear extention on the engine.
I hope I have tried to expalin what I'm seeing here.
Unless I'm looking and thinking about it wrong, I think the engines are too small, but looking at those pics...??... I just don't know...
Lynn
Please forgive my coloring skills here, I'll try to explain it a bit better with some referance points.
I know the engines are off center towards the back and I know the rear engine is longer as I have already stated above.
I have that pic you posted, but please look at what I'm trying to describe, maybe my coloring it will help explain it better.
The red lines in this pic convey where the Harrier halves are spaced in realtion to the 3 "docking ports" in the armor of the real model.
This pic is pretty much a direct side shot, so camera angles are not the much of a problem causing problems in perspective.
The red lines I have drawn here on my kit are of where the engines "should be" spaced when compared to the above pic of the real thing in relationship to the kits 3 "docking ports".
I have also lenghtend the engine in red as well to make it longer.
The black lines in the pic are where I placed mine for the pic, as I stated above, this was only a quick test pic, but my placment is only about a 1/2" different then then where the red lines have been drawn, thus making my quick engine placement not that far off when compared to the real model.
I have also lengthend the end "approximatly" 1" ( colored in red)
I colored the extended area on the rear in red, but I don't see any where else "in this pic" where it "may have" been lengthed elsewhere, unless it was lengthened where we can't see it, in which it is possible.
If you put the harrier engines where they need to go on my referance points I have made and lenghtend the rear end, "to me" it still comes up too small.
Engines repostioned with rear end extended by approximatly 1".
Now the whole thing is positioned too far back.
Just another quick pic with my "rough" 1" rear extention on the engine.
I hope I have tried to expalin what I'm seeing here.
Unless I'm looking and thinking about it wrong, I think the engines are too small, but looking at those pics...??... I just don't know...
Lynn
Lynn TXP 0369
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STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Lynn, I see your point. As I said, the front one should work just fine but the back one might (just as you have shown) have to be made a bit longer. This could be done in the middle where it won't show to much. I think Rolando tested this and said everything worked out fine. Perhaps he can chim in himself.
Steve.
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369
Sr Member
After more playing around, I'm guesing it will need to be lenghted at least 1 1/2" to get that hip joint cover in he right area.
I'll cut it at the second band from the hip joint cover and extend it there with a peice of PVC pipe and try to blend it in son it looks like the rest.
Your right on the front engine though, that will come out perfact!
It is just the back will need a little TLC.
Lynn
I'll cut it at the second band from the hip joint cover and extend it there with a peice of PVC pipe and try to blend it in son it looks like the rest.
Your right on the front engine though, that will come out perfact!
It is just the back will need a little TLC.
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE
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After more playing around, I'm guesing it will need to be lenghted at least 1 1/2" to get that hip joint cover in he right area.
I'll cut it at the second band from the hip joint cover and extend it there with a peice of PVC pipe and try to blend it in son it looks like the rest.
Your right on the front engine though, that will come out perfact!
It is just the back will need a little TLC.
Lynn
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Yeah, that's weird isn't it! The front one is a perfect match but not the rear! Another weird thing is that the rear engine (look at your pic) matches up perfect (with ILM's walker)almost all the way but it's still to short!? I know it will look great in the end though, be sure to share paics when your done.
Here's a link to the main forum where you all can see some of my new progress on the hull!
http://rpf.prop-planet.com/viewtopic.php?topic=67104&forum=1
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369 wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
After more playing around, I'm guesing it will need to be lenghted at least 1 1/2" to get that hip joint cover in he right area.
I'll cut it at the second band from the hip joint cover and extend it there with a peice of PVC pipe and try to blend it in son it looks like the rest.
Your right on the front engine though, that will come out perfact!
It is just the back will need a little TLC.
Lynn
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Yeah, that's weird isn't it! The front one is a perfect match but not the rear! Another weird thing is that the rear engine (look at your pic) matches up perfect (with ILM's walker)almost all the way but it's still to short!? I know it will look great in the end though, be sure to share paics when your done.
Here's a link to the main forum where you all can see some of my new progress on the hull!
http://rpf.prop-planet.com/viewtopic.php?topic=67104&forum=1
Steve.
Lynn TXP 0369
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STEVE THE SWEDE wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Yeah, that's weird isn't it! The front one is a perfect match but not the rear! Another weird thing is that the rear engine (look at your pic) matches up perfect (with ILM's walker)almost all the way but it's still to short!?
Steve.
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Actually I think the ATATron may be a little too long anyway, it is already been stated that it is bigger overall when compared to the real model, so it would make since that the ATATron would be longer anyway thus causing the difference in the engine proportion on that part of the kit.
Besides, I think we can almost take out the possiblty that the engine was lenghted in or near the middle by ILM also.
I found a pic of the ATAT rear engine, one you sent me #6 in fact, That shows a pefact shot of the harrier engine from the back going to the front and every single rib and groove is accounted for when comparing them to my real engine in hand, and the top half is cut just forward on the top harrier cover to allow it to go over the hip mounts on the top side with no extra lenghtening visable.
Like I said, I adjust mine about 1 1/2" to make it work and no one will be the wiser, except us guys here...
Posted in your thread...
Lynn
STEVE THE SWEDE wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Yeah, that's weird isn't it! The front one is a perfect match but not the rear! Another weird thing is that the rear engine (look at your pic) matches up perfect (with ILM's walker)almost all the way but it's still to short!?
Steve.
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Actually I think the ATATron may be a little too long anyway, it is already been stated that it is bigger overall when compared to the real model, so it would make since that the ATATron would be longer anyway thus causing the difference in the engine proportion on that part of the kit.
Besides, I think we can almost take out the possiblty that the engine was lenghted in or near the middle by ILM also.
I found a pic of the ATAT rear engine, one you sent me #6 in fact, That shows a pefact shot of the harrier engine from the back going to the front and every single rib and groove is accounted for when comparing them to my real engine in hand, and the top half is cut just forward on the top harrier cover to allow it to go over the hip mounts on the top side with no extra lenghtening visable.
Like I said, I adjust mine about 1 1/2" to make it work and no one will be the wiser, except us guys here...
Posted in your thread...
Lynn
Hey guys,
You've hit on one of the problems with the AT-AT kit. The main body shell is scaled wrong in many regards, particularly in being too long and too wide.
The harrier kit was used out of the box on the ILM miniatures except for the addition of the tapered collar at the back that mates with the rear butt tub - that you guys are already aware of - and being cut down and mated to the Saturn V collar at the front.
Barry
You've hit on one of the problems with the AT-AT kit. The main body shell is scaled wrong in many regards, particularly in being too long and too wide.
The harrier kit was used out of the box on the ILM miniatures except for the addition of the tapered collar at the back that mates with the rear butt tub - that you guys are already aware of - and being cut down and mated to the Saturn V collar at the front.
Barry
STEVE THE SWEDE
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Hey guys,
You've hit on one of the problems with the AT-AT kit. The main body shell is scaled wrong in many regards, particularly in being too long and too wide.
The harrier kit was used out of the box on the ILM miniatures except for the addition of the tapered collar at the back that mates with the rear butt tub - that you guys are already aware of - and being cut down and mated to the Saturn V collar at the front.
Barry
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I know that ILM used the engines from the box (althought they made some changes to it, not lenght wise though) however, the body on the AT-ATRON matches up pretty good with the originals. Sure, it's a tad bigger over all (that's why the engines have to be doctored) as the rest of the kit but I don't see any portions on the body that's scaled wrong with itself!?
Please specify.
Steve.
Saberlicious wrote:<HR></TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS=$row_color>
Hey guys,
You've hit on one of the problems with the AT-AT kit. The main body shell is scaled wrong in many regards, particularly in being too long and too wide.
The harrier kit was used out of the box on the ILM miniatures except for the addition of the tapered collar at the back that mates with the rear butt tub - that you guys are already aware of - and being cut down and mated to the Saturn V collar at the front.
Barry
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I know that ILM used the engines from the box (althought they made some changes to it, not lenght wise though) however, the body on the AT-ATRON matches up pretty good with the originals. Sure, it's a tad bigger over all (that's why the engines have to be doctored) as the rest of the kit but I don't see any portions on the body that's scaled wrong with itself!?
Please specify.
Steve.
Steve,
I can only offer that if the main body shell is wrong in length, height and width, which it is, then all other scaling will naturally be off too.
For example in the pictures you posted of your progress in converting your kit I can tell you that the rear engine area where the butt tub is located, is too wide at the top and at the bottom. The Leopard Tank parts A25 and A26 need to have a section removed from where they butt up against each other to fit into that area. They would never fit in the studio miniature if used as you have them.
Please don't take this as criticism. I admire what all you guys have done, both with the kit and in your dedication to identify and track down the various parts to make your kits even more accurate. I, of course, had the advantage of accessing one of the props.
I stepped in to prevent some hair tearing at wondering why the exact same kit part looks too small next to the hull, when in fact it isn't - the hull is too big.
Barry
I can only offer that if the main body shell is wrong in length, height and width, which it is, then all other scaling will naturally be off too.
For example in the pictures you posted of your progress in converting your kit I can tell you that the rear engine area where the butt tub is located, is too wide at the top and at the bottom. The Leopard Tank parts A25 and A26 need to have a section removed from where they butt up against each other to fit into that area. They would never fit in the studio miniature if used as you have them.
Please don't take this as criticism. I admire what all you guys have done, both with the kit and in your dedication to identify and track down the various parts to make your kits even more accurate. I, of course, had the advantage of accessing one of the props.
I stepped in to prevent some hair tearing at wondering why the exact same kit part looks too small next to the hull, when in fact it isn't - the hull is too big.
Barry
STEVE THE SWEDE
Sr Member
Thanks for getting into the details!
However, I dissagre. Sure, the entire kit is scaled a bit bigger then the studio model, we all new that from the start. I still say the basic proportions are right, I did an over lay in photoshop and it all matched up pretty good! Regarding the Leopard grills, they are not used an altered. In order to make them fit the AT-ATRON they had to be cut just like they were on ILM's models, otherwise they would be to big. Do I make any sense at all!?
Steve.
Steve.
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