Again, Luke struggled to pull the saber from like 6 feet away with no one fighting him. He had to stop, calm himself, and give it his all to pull the damn thing to him.
I don't care if Kylo was shot, he knew what he was doing, she did not. She wasn't even aware of those abilities mere hours (24?) prior to that and she pulls it literally more than 10x as far while someone else who knows exactly what they're doing fails. Just no.
Even if the second instance is 2 weeks later, Kylo is healed and pretty much full strength. He's got years of training her, pretty much none, and she's equal to him in that? Again, no.
As for little kids doing it with no training, we've seen 1, the kid at the end of 8. So, doesn't really factor in to the argument that it's wrong aside from the fact they consistently got that wrong.
And as for 'she had fighting skills'. Come on. Finn was in the strormtrooper program pretty much his entire life. You can't tell me that training was all marching in formation. If you're a 'troop' of any kind, you're taught tactics, weapons, and melee fighting. He looked utterly clueless out there and got his ass handed to him. In no way should rey's fighting skills have outmatched a life long trained stormtrooper's to that level.
I like rey. But you can't argue she's been given way too much too fast based on what we know. She's showing, basically, mastery of using the force a matter of a few days after leaning she's capable of doing using it at all. TFA takes place over a couple days or so, TLJ picks up right after and takes another couple days. So, a week. Mastery in a week. Luke, on the other hand, made use of it a bit in ANH, worked on his own for over a year or two and could barely budge a saber. Tranined for substantially longer with yoda than the day Rey spent with luke, went to face vader and got hammered. Trained for another year plus before going back and holding his own.
Regardless of the situation, Luke had more training BY FAR, and years to work on it to get to the level Rey seems to be at after 5 days. And you want to say that's completely acceptable based one what we know?
Could there be an actual explanation for it? Sure. Flat out ignoring it the first two movies though is bad story telling at best and incompetence at worst.
Look at Harry Potter. It was flat out stated from the get go he was able to do things he shouldn't and people weren't exactly sure why. They put it out there. It wasn't til well down the road you go the explanation. But it was acknowledged from book 1.
I don't think there was much if any acknowledgement of that fact in the ST to this point.
I agree and am fine with the fact that Kylo lost the first fight in TFA. He is injured by the crossbow and overconfident (a Sith flaw). Losing also makes narrative sense. The lightsaber calling to Rey is honestly stupid (the lightsaber is an object without sentience) but would have made sense if they followed up with it in 8. Also makes the reveal that Rey is nobody even worse.
The only little kid with no we see using telekinesis is in 8 and RJ admitted he doesn’t understand Star Wars. Even Anakin in episode I didn’t show telekinetic use of the force despite being the one so some rando kid being able to do so without training is stupid.
And belief is a weak argument. We have seen Jedi and Sith over 6 movies, Jedi and Sith who trained since they were children in the mysticism and strength of the force, surrounded by adults and teachers who are also almost fanatic believers of the force. You are telling me that a teenage Rey who has learned about the force and that she can use it a year ago, has minimal training, and is a regular level Jedi (no the one or skywalker lineage) believes in the force more than any other Sith and Jedi and thus has shown an unprecedented proficiency?
The she experienced force probe twice so she can do it is also some anime genius bs. That’s the equivalent of saying I experienced riding a bike sitting on the backseat. I can now ride a bike.
I'm sorry but I believe your understanding of the Force is completely wrong. I belive you've game-ified it. The Force isn't about moving objects or influencing minds. Those are side effects, if you will, of the Force. The Force is way of seeing, thinking, living, breathing, existing. It's connecting, feeling, the Force of others that flows through and connects all living things together.
You'll notice, that in all the films or The Clone Wars. No one is ever taught how to, lift objects, or affect minds. Rather everything is about developing a connection with the Force. That's how Yoda does it with Luke. He doesn't try to deepen his connection with the Force so Luke can lift things. He has Luke lift things so the connection can deepen. Because he is forced to let go his conscious self and feel the Force around him, in order to lift things. We see though that some innately have a higher awareness of the Force then others. Which is something that George mentioned in 77.(Rey, the toddler in The Clone Wars, "broom boy) And that it's easier, almost second nature to have that connection with the Force.
"The Force is really a way of seeing; it’s a way of being with life... The Force gives you the power to have extra-sensory perception and to be able to see things and hear things, read minds and levitate things... The Force is a perception of the reality that exists around us. You have to come to learn it. It’s not something you just get..." - George Lucas (notice that last line, about the Force being a perception of reality. In a sense, the third eye is opened)
"The Force is not a power you have. It's not about lifting rocks. It's the energy between all things, a tension, a balance, that binds the universe together." - Luke Skywalker
"Something inside me has always been there now it's awake." - Rey(this is one of the most important lines about Rey's relationship with the Force. Along with Maz's, "the light it's always been there." It shows that she's had a innate awareness of the Force. The only others to exhibit something similar, is broom boy, and that toddler in The Clone Wars.)
And this is what we see in the films. When Luke is in the Wampa cave. He struggles to reach his lightsaber.(he's just been attacked by the Wampa, is hanging upside down, and has been unconscious for a long while) What does Luke do? He doesn't strain and struggle, he closes his eyes, calms himself, centers himself, let's go his conscious self, and opens up to the Force. And *whoosh* the saber comes to his hand. (Also note the Force theme being played)
But when he fails to lift the X-Wing. He doesn't do that. He tries to lift the X-Wing, himself. Rather then working in tandem with the Force. He doesn't open up to the Force. His doubts are too great. He's sees how physical large and heavy the ship is. But Yoda tries to correct thinking so he can see things differently. He tells him "luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." Goes back to Obi-Wan's line "your eyes can deceive you, don't trust them." (Also note the Force theme isn't played)
Later though when he calls for help from Leia. He does something similar, he closes his eyes, centers himself, and calls out. (Wait who taught him telepathy was a thing? Oh and notice the Force theme is played again)
Now with Rey admittedly there is a certain amount of mystery to her about her power, as seen from her reaction to useing the Force, Ben's reaction, and Snoke's reactions. But at the same time it's very consistent with everything we've seen. There's a calming, a centering, an opening of the "third eye", if you will. The Force theme is heard, indicating that the Force is actively at work. And things happen. Rey doesn't need to be taught how to use telekinesis or mind trick, those things will just come instinctively to someone who is open and connected to the Force.
Additionally there's a problem with game-ifing the Force. Because if Ben is so much powerful then Rey, because he's had all this training. How come when he reaches for the Skywalker lightsaber, it refuses to come to him? It just shakes and rattles in the snow. But it leaps to Rey's hand? Someone with zero training. Something else is going on. (Some Excalibur symbolism going on too by the way)
Anywho, just some food for thought. Sorry it turned out so long. I didn't originally intend for that, it just kinda happened