Prometheus (Post-release)

[CessnaDriver]

You know, with this frame of mind for the film it just might work for me. LOL

 

[superDrool]

Re: Everything Wrong with Prometheus...hahah

Hahaha! Too funny. Has that Adult Swim feel to it.

 

[SmilingOtter]

Re: Everything Wrong with Prometheus...hahah

Jedifyfed:

http://www.therpf.com/f47/prometheus-post-release-149401/index25.html

Also: Another Prometheus thread?

 

[Werstrooper]

Re: Everything Wrong with Prometheus...hahah

Very small about of people actually read threads around here

 

[CB2001]

Getting back to my original question, is his Lawrence of Arabia thing his own creation or is it Weylands?

As I've stated before, it's most likely Weyland's creation that inadvertently carried over into David (especially since Weyland makes mention of the film and the same match burning scene that we see David watch in his TED speech).

 

[Mr Webber]

Just trying to look for a little subtext, Everything Weyland does is calculated and deliberate, there must be some connection between Davids behavior and Weylands ambitions. Why Weyland choose Lawrence or Peter O Toole if you want to look at it that way is the skinny i guess.

 

[Jedi2016]

"The trick, William Potter, is not minding that it hurts."

 

[CB2001]

Just trying to look for a little subtext, Everything Weyland does is calculated and deliberate, there must be some connection between Davids behavior and Weylands ambitions. Why Weyland choose Lawrence or Peter O Toole if you want to look at it that way is the skinny i guess.

The connection that I can see is the fact that it was Weyland that created David 8 and his previous models, there is a possibility that he liked Lawrence of Arabia, and he decided to have that little piece of himself in David. Sometimes, when someone creates something, be it a piece of art, a novel, a video game and so on, they often add in things that they like. I'm sure you've come up with an idea for something and included a personal easter egg of some sort. Lawrence of Arabia may have been Weyland's easter egg. Remember, Weyland stated that David was the closest to a son he could ever have and David has referred to Weyland as his "parent."

As to if there's any more than that, I can't really say for sure unless Ridley Scott talks about it somewhere.

 

[Noeland]

If I'm not mistaken Lawrence of Arabia is Ridley Scott's favorite film.

 

[AggieChick42]

Has anyone noticed that David and Ash were very intrigued with "creating life" as in helping the Alien(s) to grow... i.e. Dr. Shaw's squid baby and the little xenomorph in the beginning of Alien... Weyland was huge on finding life out there and having questions...

 

[Mr Webber]

The connection that I can see is the fact that it was Weyland that created David 8 and his previous models, there is a possibility that he liked Lawrence of Arabia, and he decided to have that little piece of himself in David. Sometimes, when someone creates something, be it a piece of art, a novel, a video game and so on, they often add in things that they like. I'm sure you've come up with an idea for something and included a personal easter egg of some sort. Lawrence of Arabia may have been Weyland's easter egg. Remember, Weyland stated that David was the closest to a son he could ever have and David has referred to Weyland as his "parent."

As to if there's any more than that, I can't really say for sure unless Ridley Scott talks about it somewhere.

Fair enough. If it was a deliberate decision by Weyland as some form of Davids pre engineers meeting education, i`ll just have to watch Lawrence again for a clue. Im following the angle that Weylend knew much more about his makers than the audience was lead to believe and this will be played out in future tellings with a young Weyland.
Pretty much every other storyline motivation has been pulled apart, reconfigured, explained, reexplained, justified and vilified.

 

[Kit Rae]

Just trying to look for a little subtext, Everything Weyland does is calculated and deliberate, there must be some connection between Davids behavior and Weylands ambitions.

Do you mean other than the fact that David was doing exactly as Weyland instructed him, and was really the one running the show on LV-233?

Why Weyland choose Lawrence or Peter O Toole if you want to look at it that way is the skinny i guess.

Lawrence was a great man who accomplished great things in his eyes, so if it was at Weyland's suggestion, it was probably his desire to see David become, or emulate someone he considered a great man. What any father would want for his son I would imagine.

 

[Finnlock]

Wow, I tried, I really tried to read all 45 pages ...but geeze... I gave up after 31.
While the movie dose gives you ideas to think about the fact of the matter is the script is **** poor and that is the true failing here. At any point did you CARE what happened to the crew? I didn't.

However the brilliances of this film is tricking a lot people to look past the aweful script/acting and focus on the "big picture questions". I am not one of them.
Past the stunning visuals I didn't enjoy this movie, I was jarred out of it time and time again by the godaweful script and acting to the point the movie lost all credibility.

While I agree it is fun to sit around and try and shoehorn the story and lose ends into some kind of narrative we can live with I felt I could do the same with some of those ancient aliens TV shows. This just felt like a flasher way to showcase the same ideas those TV shows rehash over and over again.

 

[Nwerke]

Of course, how could we not learn from what the critics said back in the day? I take it back, Prometheus is an untrammeled masterpiece.

Indeed, how could I not? Critical response did prevent me from seeing Alien, and almost prevented me from seeing Blade Runner.

 

[BIKERFETT]

There is a short but enlightening interview that Kevin SMith does on his show Spoilers episode two only to be seen on Hulu Plus. He interviews Lindlehoff(sp). Where he talks about the idea and how it was formed for the movie. I have not seen the film yet but it seems interesting. Taking the Claim that there would be to divergent species one follows the path that we have seen one takes path we have not.

 

[Kit Rae]

Hulu - Spoilers with Kevin Smith: Damon Lindelof: The Full Interview

Nothing really new.

 

[Noeland]

However the brilliances of this film is tricking a lot people to look past the aweful script/acting and focus on the "big picture questions".

Yes, that's what happened. I was tricked into liking the movie. Damn you Ridley Scott!



The "big picture" questions are not really all that compelling IMHO. They had nothing to do with me liking or disliking the movie. I was not hornswoggled. I promise.

Prometheus has an effect on people whether they like the film or not. I think a lot of the negative reactions are pretty strongly worded and that in and of itself makes a statement. This thread, and the what, 47 other prometheus threads running on the RPF right now should tell you that love it or hate it, this ain't just another popcorn muncher.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I don't recall that, what was "Futurama"s explanation?

But the increase in speed? Not entirely unbelievable. A common staple of hard scifi is that if we send out ships right now with the purpose of going to another solar system, chances are that before that ship gets to the new solar system they'll be passed by something that was built after them and can significantly outpace them.

It isn't the ship that is moving, it is everything else around it. It isn't moving in real-time space, so it is a kind of hyperdrive/warp or something.

It came to him in a dream and the impossible is possible if you believe it is.

I know... I'm rotten at explaining it... and I just saw the episode two days ago... rotten memory.

 

[blipper]

Indeed, how could I not? Critical response did prevent me from seeing Alien, and almost prevented me from seeing Blade Runner.

So you should have learnt a valuable lesson to ignore critics in influencing you.

In their day both films were heavily criticised for themselves being cliched.

Yet you infer we should consider modifying a perfectly valid personal appraisal where it coincides with general critical consensus?


Suggestion: stop worrying about the critics.

 

[Nwerke]

I'm gratified to know that I'm not the only one who thought Prometheus sucked.

Great first post, and welcome to the forum. I agree with most of your points, FWIW, yet I liked the film. Eh, go figure, huh.

I expected a film that looked great and was light on story. I did not expect that I would be required to fan-wank nearly everything in it.

Can't argue that. It IS disappointing in that respect.

Originally we were going to see the dream conversation between David and Weyland. I'm not sure it was even shot. I've already stated a view that they should have recast following that decision. OTOH - the art book and BTS pics surfacing online show that the makeup looked far better than it did on screen. I'm baffled.

The characters were, generally, as engaging as watching pasta dry. With the exception of Capt. Janek and the ship's crew,

I liked those guys, also Vickers, David and Shaw. I guess it goes without saying that gamine is a plus for me. Didn't love the remainder of the cast, though even Holloway is actually growing on me believe it or not.

If there were one question that I would like Mr. Scott to answer - yet again, "where does the additional mass come from?"

If you can't deal with that one, then you may be watching the wrong franchise. It was more in-your-face than ever before this time, I agree.
There's only one possibility I can think of for organic mass, namely that the thing has raided the medical supplies/nutrients cupboard. We probably can't rule out that these things can metabolise inorganic or synthetic materials though; the Big Chaps have metal teeth after all...

If I sound angry it's because I am. Good actors got directed into playing standees. See Luther, if you want to see Idris Elba's chops. Michael Fassbinder is a brilliant actor, as is Charlize Theron.

Disagree here - I think Elba, Fassbender and Theron give the best performances in the film, and not bad ones overall.

Not sure if explained already, but what was the deal with the glittery green slime on the control panel that David activates?

Nanogoo? Biogoo? Something that was explained in more detail in a longer cut?

Yes, that's what happened. I was tricked into liking the movie. Damn you Ridley Scott! <snip> love it or hate it, this ain't just another popcorn muncher.

LOL, and bingo. In thirteen years I've almost forgotten TPM. I've seen it a total of maybe four times and I couldn't care less about it, which was my feeling on walking out of the cinema too. If I'm around in another thirteen years, I bet I'll still be game for a bit of Prometheus debate.