Prometheus (Post-release)

[stricky1]

And how did the ancient civilisations could create that accurate star maps? I mean one inch off and it would lead to a complete different solar system wouldn't it?

 

[ghostryder]

Here's my other question: the "snake alien worm thingie" - did it get its form from the little worms seen in a few close-up shots?

 

[ONEYE]

Does anyone know

Spoiler

What David said to the Engineer?

We were wondering about this afterwards. I'd like to see the script for this, actually. The original, as well as the shooting script.

I am embarrassed to say I thought he would do exactly as told.

 

[ONEYE]

Here's my other question: the "snake alien worm thingie" - did it get its form from the little worms seen in a few close-up shots?

Yes, mutated from the black goo (techy term).

 

[ONEYE]

And how did the ancient civilisations could create that accurate star maps? I mean one inch off and it would lead to a complete different solar system wouldn't it?

 

[ONEYE]

Why did the celestial map lead to the alien 'biological weapons of mass destruction facilities' and not say, their home planet instead?

To safeguard their home planet. It was a smart decision as the bio-weapon did get out and infect the crew.

 

[ONEYE]

Thought about this a lot and came to an answer while sleeping last night.

Is it possible that there are two different factions of engineers.


One that helped create and guide us while another that abhors them and therefore us.


That might be possible. Also the moon might not always have been a weapons depot.

Over the thousands of years the more peace loving engineers may have been wiped out and the ones we see are the militant ones.

I remember seeing the original spaceship at the beginning of the story being circular in shape.

I like your thinking.

I also think that when Ridley Scott made this movie, he purposely opened the door wide. He probably has already outlined what would happen in the next 2 movies. This movie didn't have to take us directly to the first Alien movie, it's more of a start of the journey. The crawl version of learning to walk, then comes walking, then full on running.

 

[stricky1]

Well, personally I don't think the Engineers wanted to destroy humanity.. To me it seems more like they wanted to create a perfect being and perhaps turn themselves into one (that's may be the reason for the mural, I dunno).. It doesn't seem as if the black goo was really a weapon (I mean come on, if you really want to wipe out a planet, to maybe reuse it, I wouldn't use something that creates big bad monster you have to get rid of too).. For all we saw the black goo was speeding up the evolutionary process of things...

Theoretically, the Engineers could have used earth as a kind of field test, leave them a message to know when they are developed enough and then start the next phase of the experiment.

 

[terryr]

"Hey, now that several of us have died horribly, should we take our guns with us when we go back in there?"

"Nah."

And nobody gets their stomach muscles cut open, then gets up and runs around. [but she grunts once in awhile, so that's okay.]

The red space suits were a big tease. We saw them several times, they were the coolest looking, then never used.

And I also hate the Space Jockey redo. "oh hay, it's just a helmet."

 

[ONEYE]

Well, personally I don't think the Engineers wanted to destroy humanity.. To me it seems more like they wanted to create a perfect being and perhaps turn themselves into one (that's may be the reason for the mural, I dunno).. It doesn't seem as if the black goo was really a weapon (I mean come on, if you really want to wipe out a planet, to maybe reuse it, I wouldn't use something that creates big bad monster you have to get rid of too).. For all we saw the black goo was speeding up the evolutionary process of things...

Theoretically, the Engineers could have used earth as a kind of field test, leave them a message to know when they are developed enough and then start the next phase of the experiment.

See, a great movie, with people talking, wondering, so many reasons, directions, no need to tell the whole story at once, especially if more movies are planned. So many different ways of looking at and talking about Prometheus it's connections to Aliens. So much "juicy stuff". The "engineers" were mortal, not gods or God. To me mortal is fallible. Who knows? Things never go exactly as planned. Multiple factions, agendas. Unexpected results. These engineers could speculate what could happen, but although very advanced, couldn't see the future. Maybe they saw a real threat develop elsewhere, and were going back trying to clean up a worse mess, starting with humans. Wouldn't it be something if they connected to the Predators in a future movie? What ifs abound!

The red space suits were a big tease. We saw them several times, they were the coolest looking, then never used.

And I also hate the Space Jockey redo. "oh hay, it's just a helmet."

I was ok with the red space suits not being used. They were prepared for multiple environments. They didn't have to use them.

What do you mean Space Jockey re-do? It wasn't a re-do, the human crew in Alien didn't examine it. This is more of a problem of some people thinking they knew the story then finding out they don't. None of us know, or knew the origin of the species.

This story works, you seem to have a problem with it because it doesn't match your already completed understanding, your version of the story. It's science fiction. How many times do people follow a hypothesis, only to find the result they were looking or thinking they would find was in fact wrong. For example, scientists for years thought that the universes were moving away from each other, and their speed was slowing down. When they got to the point of being able to test the theory, they find out they were wrong, the universes were not slowing down, but in fact speeding up. Then we have new theories of black matter, anti-matter or whatever making the universes speed up. Some of you are too rigid in your expectations.

 

[silverskyes402]

I do wonder - why did the Engineer decapitate David like that? David speaks to him in his tongue - what did he say? Or was this analogous to an ant learning to speak and asking us a question?

He saw David as a insult, the engineers crated man, then man went and created life in the form of David, he knew it wasn't a human being, alot of trash talk for a decent movie on here, but yes, it needed BOOBS bad!!!

 

[trooper]

i was rather disappointed in the movie myself, after the first few minutes the movie was totally predictable, just watch the original movie...it's better the story line was so close to the original movie it wasn't entertaining, i dont WANT to know whats going to happen, and i totally did, it's the same movie with a few twists, i should have waited to watch it on blueray........

 

[Mr Webber]

Scotts producer credit makes me think he has more of an investment than one tale from this storyline. I dont see them being any kind of bridge to the Alien movie though, just more teasers, flight suit cord down the sleeve of the crew coats etc. Cant see any bridge that would take us from the tech look of Prometheus to the feel of the Nostromo. Scott was stuck between a rock and a hard place when it came to the tech of Prometheus compared to Alien, imagine the reaction if CRT monitors and truck dash board switches were all over the bridge?
Very much looking forward to seeing more stories from this universe

 

[Jathoris]

See, a great movie, with people talking, wondering, so many reasons, directions, no need to tell the whole story at once, especially if more movies are planned. So many different ways of looking at and talking about Prometheus it's connections to Aliens. So much "juicy stuff". The "engineers" were mortal, not gods or God. To me mortal is fallible. Who knows? Things never go exactly as planned. Multiple factions, agendas. Unexpected results. These engineers could speculate what could happen, but although very advanced, couldn't see the future. Maybe they saw a real threat develop elsewhere, and were going back trying to clean up a worse mess, starting with humans. Wouldn't it be something if they connected to the Predators in a future movie? What ifs abound!



I was ok with the red space suits not being used. They were prepared for multiple environments. They didn't have to use them.

What do you mean Space Jockey re-do? It wasn't a re-do, the human crew in Alien didn't examine it. This is more of a problem of some people thinking they knew the story then finding out they don't. None of us know, or knew the origin of the species.

This story works, you seem to have a problem with it because it doesn't match your already completed understanding, your version of the story. It's science fiction. How many times do people follow a hypothesis, only to find the result they were looking or thinking they would find was in fact wrong. For example, scientists for years thought that the universes were moving away from each other, and their speed was slowing down. When they got to the point of being able to test the theory, they find out they were wrong, the universes were not slowing down, but in fact speeding up. Then we have new theories of black matter, anti-matter or whatever making the universes speed up. Some of you are too rigid in your expectations.

Agreed. :thumbsup Guess I'm in the minority as well but I happen to like that I was left with more questions than answers and it left me wanting to know more. It absolutely opens the door for conversation and it's nice to wonder the why's and what ifs. I know that seems to **** people off and sure, there were things that I totally wish they would've explored a bit more, but lets not forget that this is basically Ch. 1 of __ bring it. I would love to see more.

 

[benhs1898]

I think people are throwing around the term "plot holes" again to suit their arguments. This happens often.

A plot hole occurs when an inciting incident in a story is not closed by the end of the film. As far as I can tell from first viewing, this does not happen in the film at all.

It is not a subjective thing. You cannot have an opinion about it. It is either there or not and I recall no instances of it.

That said, I think the film did the most important thing I needed it to do. It entertained me. I know that this is blasphemy but Alien is not the greatest film ever. It is completely formulaic with very little real emotional depth beyond pure fear. This film goes further into character motives and emotion. I was actually much more entertained with Prometheus than I was with Alien.

ONEYE, I want to rep that post so bad. You're right on the money. People have had thirty years to speculate. This film concludes that and some people had different ideas. Problem is, Alien is not our film, it is and has always been Ridley Scott's. Let him tell his stories.

 

[Jedi2016]

What I like about movies like this is how it makes you speculate on what came before. What were the Engineers up to? What happened to kill them?

I did think of another question, though.. why in the name of everything holy would you unveil an unbelievably human-like head on your analysis table, and the first thing you do is stick a probe in his ear and try to bring him back to life? Why would that even occur to you?

 

[ONEYE]

I'm trying to search to see if there is anything official on future movies, which actors signed on to do additional movies.

In speaking with Trooper earlier, Vickers may have survived, we didn't really see her get crushed. She could have escaped like Shaw did.

Could Vickers be a more advance version of David? Would the real Vickers show up in a sequel? If the escape pod could sustain her for two years, could that mean another expedition left a short while after the Prometheus for the same location? Could it have had access to all the video, data, events, during it's flight? Could there be some remaining tech devices still working after the crash, or detached shortly after landing, recording the direction, telemetry, or whatever of Shaw & David leaving on another ship?

Lots of questions! Are there two factions of Engineers? Do the Engineers still exist?

 

[hansicle]

Well, I felt it was a bit convoluted. Too much was left ambiguous, and that a lot of loose ends could have been answered with a simple comment.
I felt like some of the stuff was just thrown in for effect and served no purpose, and if there was a purpose, it wasn't made clear. I can certainly make up my own reasons for a lot of things, but why should I have to do that, why couldn't the story have been written a little better.
When I think of the "Oh my gosh" moments in movies, I think of the end of 6th sense, the end of Inception, stuff like that.... I certainly saw the potential, it was just kinda messy.

 

[TK765]

I think people are throwing around the term "plot holes" again to suit their arguments. This happens often.

A plot hole occurs when an inciting incident in a story is not closed by the end of the film. As far as I can tell from first viewing, this does not happen in the film at all.

It is not a subjective thing. You cannot have an opinion about it. It is either there or not and I recall no instances of it.

Your definition of a plot hole and everyone elses is vastly different, quoting Wikipedia...

"
A plot hole, or plothole, is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot. These include such things as unlikely behaviour or actions of characters, illogical or impossible events, events happening for no apparent reason, or statements/events that contradict earlier events in the storyline.
While many stories have unanswered questions, unlikely events or chance occurrences, a plot hole is one that is essential to the story's outcome."

Here are a few from some sites

Spoiler

"Why was Weyland being on the ship kept a secret? It would have changed nothing if he just led the expedition himself from the start.

When Shaw is 'pregnant' with the squid - How did she manage to hide the foot-long, 6 inch wide piece of metal she bludgeoned the medics with? Then she was allowed to run around the ship to get to the Auto-doc, and in scenes directly following that no one seems to care that she just assaulted two of the other crew members. Then, once she removes her squidbaby, alien goo splashes everywhere, including into her open wound. That's not all. She then leaves to find Weyland sitting in his wheelchair, but none of the people hanging out with him seem to think that Shaw is a contamination risk to the aging man everyone set out to save. Additionally, that incision in Shaw's belly cuts core muscles which would leave you unable to walk for at least a couple of weeks, staples or not
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Then, there's the fact that the squidbaby was left unattended in the Auto-doc room for what I can only guess was a couple of days (Christmas when they arrive, new years day when Shaw leaves) without anyone noticing, including Vickers, whose private quarters were attached to the room. If it wasn't a couple of days, how did the creature gain so much mass without eating anything?

How does the member of the team tasked with mapping the location get lost? Why didn't they just call the ship and say hey we are lost?

Why did the two who got creeped out by the decapitated engineer return to that room to sleep and then want to play with a alien cobra?

How did Shaw run out of air when the other two were expected to stay out overnight?

How did the Engineer make it to the Prometheus shuttle without a helmet?

Why didn't he just go to another ship if he was hell bent to wipe out earth instead of going after shaw?

Why did the captain of the ship go "there's a life reading... oh well"?!

Why commit suicide by ramming the ship when all they did was put it in autopliot anyway, no handed?

Why didn't the ship itself have any weapons, the crew had them?

How would ancient earth cultures get a star map to a biological weapons planet?

 

[Chicagovader]

Saw it tonight in 3D and Loved it! Great visuals and good performances. I enjoyed the fact that it answered some questions and raised even more! Most of the audience I saw it with clapped at the end Now I want to see it again in Imax 3D