New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.

[slothfurnace]

Amazing. Well done, everyone! This kind of thing is why I am a member here, the fun of discovery!

 

[R5D4]

Yes definitely a new grip guide!! And excellent work Roy!!

 

[SethS]

Okay Roy, I've orerded my rivets and clip... I hope the single hole on the endcap is covered!

 

[Gregatron]

I presume Roy will be offering both the larger AND smaller rivets...? Just ordered the smaller ones, but it'd be nice to have a few of the bigger ones handy, too.

 

[Gregatron]

Amazing. Well done, everyone! This kind of thing is why I am a member here, the fun of discovery!

Absolutely! The thread has been amazing, and our joyous discoveries about this iconic prop certainly balance out the harsh reality of the moribund franchise limping to its cinematic conclusion in few months. What better way celebrate the end than by diving back into the beginning?

 

[Drew Baker]

I presume Roy will be offering both the larger AND smaller rivets...? Just ordered the smaller ones, but it'd be nice to have a few of the bigger ones handy, too.

He already offers 3mm rivets, yes: Set of 3mm Pop Rivets | WannaWanga

 

[teecrooz]

I presume Roy will be offering both the larger AND smaller rivets...? Just ordered the smaller ones, but it'd be nice to have a few of the bigger ones handy, too.

I went rivet shopping today. There is a set at Home Depot that has 3mm, with a head diameter of 6.1mm. Harbor freight had a rivet set with 3mm rivets that had a head diameter of 5.5mm.

If you go shopping on your own be aware that you might get different diameters for products advertised to be the same.

Here are the 5.5 and the 6.1 on my hilt just for fun and so you can see the small difference. I just cut the heads off so I could see what they’d look like.

 

[Cody1138]

OK, I have combed through the updates and I am not sure where I stand on the rivet size thing. BUT! In one of the discovery photos

seems to indicate that the clamp is on the 9 o'clock position (looking down the "emitter" end) so this would line up pretty well with the "toe" photo, correct? So is that clamp configuration now considered screen accurate or is it only for pre- or post- shots? I could not find the full uncropped photo of the one above, can someone direct me or repost it?

 

[AnubisGuard]

I went rivet shopping today. There is a set at Home Depot that has 3mm, with a head diameter of 6.1mm. Harbor freight had a rivet set with 3mm rivets that had a head diameter of 5.5mm.

If you go shopping on your own be aware that you might get different diameters for products advertised to be the same.

Here are the 5.5 and the 6.1 on my hilt just for fun and so you can see the small difference. I just cut the heads off so I could see what they’d look like.

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So, the relevant measurement is the head diameter, not the shank size. What size do we think is on the prop? 5.5?

 

[SethS]

OK, I have combed through the updates and I am not sure where I stand on the rivet size thing. BUT! In one of the discovery photosView attachment 1059722
seems to indicate that the clamp is on the 9 o'clock position (looking down the "emitter" end) so this would line up pretty well with the "toe" photo, correct? So is that clamp configuration now considered screen accurate or is it only for pre- or post- shots? I could not find the full uncropped photo of the one above, can someone direct me or repost it?

This image is flipped, it's part of the same session as the toe pic, which was shot after principal photography. The box is on the opposite side as it was for filming.

 

[The Ninja]

Rivets to Clamp Bar Stamping, this has been an amazing few days, we have gone from the >>>

Elstree Studio Graflex

ANH Promo Photos

ANH Tunisia Belt-Hanger

ANH Promo (Stamped Clamp Bar) Photo

Now for the final piece is there any photo evidence out there showing the Clamp Bar stamping on the screen Hero saber?

 

[Gregatron]

I'm not sure why the upper half was rotated for the publicity photos. Maybe someone thought it looked better for the photos?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume that stock flashguns usually had the clamp at 9:00, yes? So rotating the upper half would have been a deliberate change to the look.

I'm also willing to bet that when they went back to recreate (and tweak) the props for EMPIRE, they used the toe pic and the other publicity photos as reference, which is why all subsequent iterations of the Graflex/Skinnyflex feature the clamp at 3:00, rather than the screenused 9:00.

 

[Gregatron]

Rivets to Clamp Bar Stamping, this has been an amazing few days, we have gone from the >>>

Elstree Studio Graflex

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ANH Promo Photos

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ANH Tunisia Belt-Hanger

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ANH Promo (Stamped Clamp Bar) Photo

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Now for the final piece is there any photo evidence out there showing the Clamp Bar stamping on the screen Hero saber?

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Considering that the stamping has been staring us right in the face for all this time in that photo, and was only recently discovered, I doubt we'd be able to spot it in stills or screencaps, especially considering that sidebar faces down on the screenused prop (much like the mystery rivets).

 

[SethS]

Well if anyone has extra pocket change, the Elstree saber is part of the prop store's latest auction series. (So are the ANH era Obi-Wan stunt bucks, a Windu saber, and a Maul stunt saber).

 

[Gregatron]

Doesn't this pair of images just send a shudder of electricity down your spines?

 

[Liam Lafferty]

So I've riveted my bottom tube with the small and big combo and these photos are for others to get an idea on the look.
(very blemished TGS gen 1.9 bottom, Skywampa clip, and KR grips) Will be replacing the bottom tube and the grips so that's why I used them to experiment

 

[Gregatron]

Awesome.

 

[Gregatron]

...is it me, or is Hamill’s belt buckle not nearly as weathered in this photo (which features a Graflex with a rotated upper half) as it is in the publicity photos?

 

[Halliwax]

I'm not sure why the upper half was rotated for the publicity photos. Maybe someone thought it looked better for the photos?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I presume that stock flashguns usually had the clamp at 9:00, yes? So rotating the upper half would have been a deliberate change to the look.

I'm also willing to bet that when they went back to recreate (and tweak) the props for EMPIRE, they used the toe pic and the other publicity photos as reference, which is why all subsequent iterations of the Graflex/Skinnyflex feature the clamp at 3:00, rather than the screenused 9:00.

I wonder if they kept the batteries in the graflex.. and decided to remove them? This could be why the top is switched

 

[Gregatron]

It should be noted that this new rivet discovery is pretty friggin’ ugly. When it was two mystery rivets, that was one thing. Four was another. Two sets of differently-sized rivets is something else. There’s a reason they put them on the side of the prop that wouldn’t face the camera. A production consideration rather than an aesthetic one, and not something we’d see on the “real”, in-universe lightsaber.

I think I may have to get an extra TGS bottom, just so I can have both screen-accurate AND idealized/no rivet versions to swap out on a whim.