New Elstree Studio documentary with discarded Graflex.
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Davy Jones
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I dont know, the d-ring bracket doesn't look super tight in this image from the Mos Eisley alley.
They made the hooks for these, they easily could have made the clips for the d-rings. But I agree they certainly would have had access to proper ones.
They made the hooks for these, they easily could have made the clips for the d-rings. But I agree they certainly would have had access to proper ones.
Photo isn’t working for me
Huh. Works for me. It’s just the old Darth Saber(?) blueprint drawing (bottom view, looking at the endcap), showing the orientation of the parts in both screenused and publicity orientations.
Doesn’t Hamill fiddle with it in that outtake from the cave scene, where it looks like it has a good friction-fit, and so it stayed “posed” when repositioned within the bracket?
Or do we think the ring was floppy?
AnubisGuard
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The sheet metal used for the d ring looks much thicker than what the hook is made from. Optical illusion or proof they're made of different material?
I see that too..
Thinking about why they did not use a ready to go clip as it would seem the most logical thing: Loose D rings are mostly used in clothing and leather. Costume department would have lots these. The D ring clip combo is more used with the intent to be fastened down to something like wood. Sometimes it is faster to make something than find it or go to a shop to buy it.
Of all my crackpot theories the only thing I am sure about is the clip was made from aluminum, it was too wide for the D ring and the edges are flared because of it. The made clip when folded and simply riveted is a friction fit, looks elongated around the D ring, and the D ring does not move freely. This hanging from a belt would no be comfortable and probably dig in. Bending it back changes the elongation to a circular free moving seat for the D ring and would make it more comfortable to wear. Making a clip like this before folding it back would only take a few minutes as well.
Of all my crackpot theories the only thing I am sure about is the clip was made from aluminum, it was too wide for the D ring and the edges are flared because of it. The made clip when folded and simply riveted is a friction fit, looks elongated around the D ring, and the D ring does not move freely. This hanging from a belt would no be comfortable and probably dig in. Bending it back changes the elongation to a circular free moving seat for the D ring and would make it more comfortable to wear. Making a clip like this before folding it back would only take a few minutes as well.
Just some observations about the deformed to and washer for people to consider.
1. Looks like it was squished in a vice. 2. Is the button still there. Its spring loaded so pushing the it down with the washer and squishing the top in a vice should hold it there to be welded. 3. plastic bulb assembly is a PITA to remove, ain't nobody got time for that XD. Plastic in that section looks like it has been damaged by heat. These pic have good resolution, so zoom in and take a look.
1. Looks like it was squished in a vice. 2. Is the button still there. Its spring loaded so pushing the it down with the washer and squishing the top in a vice should hold it there to be welded. 3. plastic bulb assembly is a PITA to remove, ain't nobody got time for that XD. Plastic in that section looks like it has been damaged by heat. These pic have good resolution, so zoom in and take a look.
DARTH SABER
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Some observations from skimming through 4K77–which may or may not exist.
* No signs of Elstree-style s-curve damage when Guinness takes the prop out of the trunk. Or anywhere else in the film, for that matter,
* When Hamill turns to Guinness to ask, “How did my father die?”, the d-ring clearly flops down when he loosens his right hand’s grip on the prop. So, loose d-ring, I’d say.
* Definitely a missing grip in the Sandcrawler scene.
* Amazingly, the usually-unseen side of the hero prop—including the space between grips where the two new side rivets would be—does appear oh-so-fleetingly in the film. When Luke is zapped in the thigh by the training remote, Hamill is holding the hero prop (with no physical blade—just animation to depict the beam). His hand is holding it by its center band and thus is not obscuring the grips when he mimes being jolted by the zap. The light catches the space between the grips for several frames as he moves. It’s small on the screen and hard to tell, but I see no obvious sign of the rivets. I’d say I’m about 70-80% sure on that.
* No signs of Elstree-style s-curve damage when Guinness takes the prop out of the trunk. Or anywhere else in the film, for that matter,
* When Hamill turns to Guinness to ask, “How did my father die?”, the d-ring clearly flops down when he loosens his right hand’s grip on the prop. So, loose d-ring, I’d say.
* Definitely a missing grip in the Sandcrawler scene.
* Amazingly, the usually-unseen side of the hero prop—including the space between grips where the two new side rivets would be—does appear oh-so-fleetingly in the film. When Luke is zapped in the thigh by the training remote, Hamill is holding the hero prop (with no physical blade—just animation to depict the beam). His hand is holding it by its center band and thus is not obscuring the grips when he mimes being jolted by the zap. The light catches the space between the grips for several frames as he moves. It’s small on the screen and hard to tell, but I see no obvious sign of the rivets. I’d say I’m about 70-80% sure on that.
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Davy Jones
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Looks good
Where can I get a d-ring setup like that?
It looks to me like the clip tab length and rivet may be smaller on the original on this particular real saber?
Do we know for sure the d-ring clips weren't all like the Elstree saber?
People have been saying there are clearly single rivet clips. Any pics?
DARTH SABER
Master Member
I just cut a piece of aluminum and made it myself.
Its been like that for years. Lol
JunkSabers1138
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Well.... if you squint your eyes REALLY hard...
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