Well, it was the 80s. If we are going to get creeped out by every scene where a man "manhandles" a woman then we better just throw out practically every old movie about detectives or cowboys, etc. While I do agree with you, face it, that's just the way movies were back then. I can't believe Revenge of The Nerds hasn't been outright banned and made to disappear forever for it's "comedic" rape scene.
I saw Revenge of the Nerds for the first time probably in...1990? Even then, I said to myself "Uh....that seems...
wrong." It's just straight-up rape, and literally the only thing that makes it "ok" is that the girl appears to consent after the fact, but the whole thing is just....wrong. Makes it hard to watch the film at all anymore.
That's a fair point.
I'm with you in general, I just think the scene in BR is not well executed. It portrays like it was some really romantic love scene, that sax is going on...I'm not against rough love either, but Rachael never seems comfortable in that scene and it comes pretty out of the blue and without chemistry. It's almost like it can't decide if it wants to be a rough violent scene or the moment where they fall in love and Deckard changes his view on "replicants are like any machines".
Yeah, the issue with Blade Runner and that scene is that it can't seem to decide what story it's trying to tell. Is it trying to showcase Deckard as a cold and cynical cop who looks at replicants as machines? Is it trying to show Deckard -- himself a replicant -- struggling with knowing his own identity and only (by his callous actions) confirming his replicant nature? Is it meant to be Deckard -- a human -- falling in love with replicant Rachael? The movie can't seem to decide, so the whole scene just plays...weird.
If Rachael is meant to be into it, then you'd figure she'd demonstrate a bit more pleasure. If the movie wants to show Deckard's inner turmoil, then it needed to do a better job of that. If it's meant to be Deckard being cold, then it needed to drop the romantic subplot. Basically, pick a direction and go that way, but the movie seems unable to choose just one, and so it muddles the message and the scene just looks...really uncomfortable.
The Watchmen - Hallelujah Sex Scene
I love this film- one of the very few movies I have seen twice in the theater. It has a perfect soundtrack linked to great action sequences until they ramp up the Leonard Cohen. It is so over the top it becomes a parody of itself. The pinnacle of stupidity is when Nite Owl orgasms and hits the flame thrower, shooting his metaphor across the night sky. I love great sex scenes, but this whole sequence is ham handed and pulls you so far out of the movie it takes a while to crawl back through that fourth wall again
That's actually in the comic -- the flame projector train-going-into-a-tunnel bit, I mean, not the Hallelujah song. It's important to remember that the Watchmen comic was both social commentary and satire of the superhero genre. I tend to think that's something that Zack Snyder didn't quite "get."
Yeah, I'm aware of the cultural attitudes of the time. The Han and Leia scene I wouldn't label anywhere close to the same "not okay" range as the Blade Runner scene, and I've seen many that are worse. They just still all make me feel uncomfortable.
This one is...complicated. I think you can watch the scene and see the behavior, especially in the context of how they've been interacting previously, and the scene can read exactly as it was intended. Leia isn't really saying "no" even if she's a little scared about getting close to Han. Han's advance isn't entirely unwelcome either.
That said, a modern audience may look at the scene VERY differently nowadays, and decide that Leia's statement of "stop that" and the previous scene about being held by Han and such make it so that Han should have backed off. It also highlights the old movie convention of "Well, sure she SAYS know, but...come on...it's clear she's interested." In the film, it is indeed clear that she's interested, but that message itself (say no/mean yes) is a lot more complicated today than it used to be.
The scenes in “Star Wars” and “The Empire Strikes Back” where Leia and Luke kiss on the mouth...just vomit-inducing grossness.
If there truly exists anything that George should have been well-justified in “Special Editioning” out of the trilogy, it would have been those scenes.
He could have had Boba Fett inserted to do a meaninglesss cameo walk in front of Leia and Luke during those scenes, or he could have inserted the butt of a large lizard-like beast walking in front of them, or maybe inserted a CGI rock in front of them.
Seriously. Of all the friggin' things you want to change and THESE things remain untouched?! It's clear that Lucas did not originally intend for Leia to be Luke's sister, and simply added that in ROTJ when he needed to come up with an answer as to (1) why Luke would lose his ish, and (2) why Leia was attuned to Luke's call in ESB. So, bim bam boom, they're siblings, and...uh.....ew.
Yep, as for the scene between Deck and Rachael, you'll have to look at West World and understand that it's just a machine at the end of the day...
That's the thing, though. Both Blade Runner and the modern Westworld TV show challenge the notion of what it means to be alive/"real." At what point is a machine alive? At what point do we respect its autonomy and rights? And on Westworld, the bots aren't exactly passive. That's part of the point of the show.
That forest scene in American Graffiti: doesn't add anything to this iconic movie. Gravity? Don't get me started about that movie
