Man, Avatar kinda sucked, right??

[Rylo]

lol:lol

I'm wearing that shirt, right now!

And yes, I'm having some good natured fun with the topic and confess I find it mildly entertaining how passionate some become over such discussions.

I'm considering editing the title to, "Man, Avatar really wasn't that great, was it?"

God I love the internet.

 

[Toni Plutonij]

Personally, I loved the movie..I expected spectacle, and entertainment..and that's what I got.

I see the points people make on why it would be considered a bad movie, I just look from a different perspective.

I'd pretty much agree fully with the post Too Much Garlic made on the first page.

 

[Alan Cross]

Rylo! Come here you big lug! Of course we can hug it out! Because I've decided you're adorable! Oh you! You and your whole " I can't take people defending Avatar seriously because it's obviously a stupid movie and who the hell would ever take this stupid movie seriously?" You're SO right! Tee-hee! They're cartoon cats!!! Who's retarded enough to defend cartoon cats??? Who's stupid enough to even begin to like this movie??? That's what you're saying, isn't it? Bless you. Mmmm-MUAH!

 

[vaderdarth]

I loved Avatar. The story was a bit preachy but the visuals were stunning and smooth as silk. Plus blue boobs.

 

[Rylo]

Glad I could reach you, man!

Rylo! Come here you big lug! Of course we can hug it out! Because I've decided you're adorable! Oh you! You and your whole " I can't take people defending Avatar seriously because it's obviously a stupid movie and who the hell would ever take this stupid movie seriously?" You're SO right! Tee-hee! They're cartoon cats!!! Who's retarded enough to defend cartoon cats??? Who's stupid enough to even begin to like this movie??? That's what you're saying, isn't it? Bless you. Mmmm-MUAH!

 

[Psammead]

It was visually stunning but the story just neutralised the visuals for me. It takes a lot for a story to do that, I mean, I like the later seasons of Stargate SG-1 and most think they're terrible.

The detailed visuals could have been made a lot better by a somewhat novel story, or at least an interesting one. I sat there hoping for an interesting twist or turn to make the film worth the hype but none ever came. 3-d or not I just feel rather let down by it.

 

[Rylo]

I think that's what I was looking for.

I wasn't expecting much in way of a story, but I wanted to see something visually stunning. I just didn't get that. It just hit me as a boorish cartoon.

The whole thing left me kinda, eh'....

I appreciate your take on it though. Well said!

It was visually stunning but the story just neutralised the visuals for me. It takes a lot for a story to do that, I mean, I like the later seasons of Stargate SG-1 and most think they're terrible.

The detailed visuals could have been made a lot better by a somewhat novel story, or at least an interesting one. I sat there hoping for an interesting twist or turn to make the film worth the hype but none ever came. 3-d or not I just feel rather let down by it.

 

[SithLord]

It was just one big 3D tree-hugging, blue-skinned sappy lamefest with sprinkling of sexy alien mixed in. The only good moment in the whole film was when homeless tree came crashing down....."I see you, and raise you one dead and boring civilization".

 

[Solo4114]

It was visually stunning but the story just neutralised the visuals for me. It takes a lot for a story to do that, I mean, I like the later seasons of Stargate SG-1 and most think they're terrible.

The detailed visuals could have been made a lot better by a somewhat novel story, or at least an interesting one. I sat there hoping for an interesting twist or turn to make the film worth the hype but none ever came. 3-d or not I just feel rather let down by it.

Hey, I like the later seasons, too, so you're not alone.

I think much of the hype was people reacting to the technology and the visuals, but then presenting it as if that was the whole movie. So, someone says "OMG!! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!!" but they aren't speaking the same language as you (or I). To me, an "awesome" movie will have good visuals, sure, but also a really compelling, interesting story. If it lacks that, then it's not a good movie, right? Well, not so for most folks, I've come to learn. People like big, shiny, and don't really give a fig for the rest. Unless there's something so blatant about the story/humor/script/characters for them to actively hate, they'll be satisfied by visual spectacle alone.

Fine and dandy, but you've got to keep that in mind when folks give you their opinions. So, "OMG it was an AWESOME movie" may really just translate into "OMG it had AWESOME visuals!!" With that information, from what I've heard at least, Avatar could be accurately described at least in a 3D theater. But I honestly don't know.

I think that's what I was looking for.

I wasn't expecting much in way of a story, but I wanted to see something visually stunning. I just didn't get that. It just hit me as a boorish cartoon.

The whole thing left me kinda, eh'....

I appreciate your take on it though. Well said!

And that is a wholly separate issue -- you might still not dig the visuals. These days, I find most CGI to be really underwhelming. It never looks real to me because it doesn't move realistically and it isn't lit realistically. It doesn't look like it occupies space. Maybe Avatar in 3D is better, but I rather doubt I'm gonna watch it and be blown away the way I was by Jurassic Park, ya know?

 

[Rylo]

I did get a nice, cherry high from JP! :thumbsup

 

[foxbatkllr]

Hey, I like the later seasons, too, so you're not alone.

I think much of the hype was people reacting to the technology and the visuals, but then presenting it as if that was the whole movie. So, someone says "OMG!! THAT MOVIE WAS AWESOME!!" but they aren't speaking the same language as you (or I). To me, an "awesome" movie will have good visuals, sure, but also a really compelling, interesting story. If it lacks that, then it's not a good movie, right? Well, not so for most folks, I've come to learn. People like big, shiny, and don't really give a fig for the rest. Unless there's something so blatant about the story/humor/script/characters for them to actively hate, they'll be satisfied by visual spectacle alone.

Fine and dandy, but you've got to keep that in mind when folks give you their opinions. So, "OMG it was an AWESOME movie" may really just translate into "OMG it had AWESOME visuals!!" With that information, from what I've heard at least, Avatar could be accurately described at least in a 3D theater. But I honestly don't know.



And that is a wholly separate issue -- you might still not dig the visuals. These days, I find most CGI to be really underwhelming. It never looks real to me because it doesn't move realistically and it isn't lit realistically. It doesn't look like it occupies space. Maybe Avatar in 3D is better, but I rather doubt I'm gonna watch it and be blown away the way I was by Jurassic Park, ya know?

Firstly, while I did not find the story original and it was a little on the preachy side I still feel it was well done. It was well executed. There's something to be said for taking a tried and true story and doing it well as opposed to an original story that's told terribly.

The characters were all developed well and they progressed throughout the story well. Cameron knows how to pace a story and allow things to flow naturally. Never once did I feel an interaction or scene felt "forced" like it had to be there just because it had to progress the story. So I enjoyed the story in both 2d and 3d. Like I said, original or not, it was well executed.

The second aspect is that I get the feeling that the positive hype is the reason for so many on here calling the movie terrible. I question whether there would be so many putting it down had it actually been less successful.

 

[burningman]

i can't even be bothered with James Cameron anymore. IMO he hasn't made a good movie since T1
Yeah I skipped Blue Cat people and will for the rest of my life.

 

[EvilRocketeer]

i can't even be bothered with James Cameron anymore. IMO he hasn't made a good movie since T1
Yeah I skipped Blue Cat people and will for the rest of my life.

T2 was a great film and Titanic was well done with a few fluff here and there

 

[qfrost]

I thought it was done well, entertaining and visually stunning. The story is derivative, sure, but well done. My biggest issues would be the overly-colored forest and the design of the mechs. There are so many cool mech designs out there, and he picks the one closest to an action figure toy.

 

[DrkMatter]

Dances with Wolves, in blue.............
Once was enough.

 

[Rylo]

Oh' nice! I like that. :thumbsup

Dances with Wolves, in blue.............
Once was enough.

 

[dualedge]

Despite my strongly not-so-strong opinion of the movie, I do find this rather funny ...

 

[terryr]

Here's another. Avatar is a remake of Aliens.

Avatar & Aliens are the same movie - The Oatmeal

Cameron certainly can push the buttons. Titanic also had the same effect on people. But no one talks about it now.

 

[NoTsOsErIoUs]

Not my cup of tea, so I've steered well clear.
One thing I am interested in though, how much can this be recognised in the medium as a film and not just a visual spectacular utilising state of the art technology to promulgate an overly simplistic infantile message of ecology and the supposedly inherent wisdom of the "nobel savage"?
And if thats the case (I don't know I'll never watch Avatar, this is all surmising from the little I do know about it) is Silent Running a better film?

 

[JOATRASH FX]

Cameron is (or at least used to be) a master craftsman and that is what makes Avatar so... disappointing. It's just such a colossal waste of talent!

I watched Aliens on bluray the other day and we started discussing how crazy it was so much better than anything he has done since (except T2) with only a fraction of the budget. Certainly, it's very hard to top a film that so heavily set the staple for essentially all filmed (and programmed) Scifi since but a with those resources at his disposal the result should have been MUCH better.