Lindelof Star Wars film

[NeoRutty]

I enjoyed LOST, and Watchmen was great… also enjoyed about half of Ms Marvel so I’ll give it a go.

I’m all for bringing in new blood. I’m not a big Filoni guy, but bringing in Favreau bumped the TV stuff up (except maybe some scooter action)

Never know how it will go… I like some of Rodriguez work, and his mando ep bringing back Boba was great…

And then he did the worst ep of Book of Boba.

Never know

 

[Master Boda]

If Lindelof does make a Star Wars show it will be a good one to miss.

 

[dascoyne]

I did like Ms. Marvel so the director might be decent.

If you liked that you might want to check out some of her films:

There's Saving Face - about oppressed and abused women in Pakistan trying to reconstruct their lives, or Ho Yaqeen - also about oppressed women in Pakistan but becoming activists, or A Journey of a Thousand Miles: Peacekeepers - about Pakistani women breaking stereotypes to fight oppression, or A Girl in the River - the tragic story of one oppressed Pakistani girl, or Freedom Fighters - about three Pakistani women fighting against oppression by chasing their dreams, or Sitara: Let Girls Dream - about one oppressed Pakistani girl fighting for her dream of becoming a pilot, and 5 episodes of Fundamental: Gender Justice. No Exceptions - self explanatory.

Soon we can add Star Wars to that list.

 

[Laspector]

I thought the Watchmen movie was just about the most boring movie I had ever seen, but I thought the tv series was really good. However, I had no investment in the series whatsoever as I didn't like the comic either.

 

[JPH]

WATCHMEN was a comic that was specifically about comics, and did things that you can only do with the comic medium. It should have remained a standalone, 12-issue series, with no follow-ups of any kind. A completely self-contained, limited story (and universe) which insists upon itself.

While I do have a certain fondness for the 2009 film, despite it being a Hack Snyder production, making a live-action adaptation of a comic about comics totally misses the point. Also, it would have worked better as an episodic TV miniseries. While certain elements of the movie are spot-on, it sort of amazes me how Snyder and his screenwriters completely missed the point of various scenes and moments. And you can very easily tell where the screenwriters’ subpar work comes in to condense or patch over parts of the comic which were cut for time or rewritten.

As is inevitable with any successful work, DC started trying to exploit WATCHMEN with merchandise and whatnot, over the past two decades. And then the floodgates opened, with a barrage of comic book prequels to the series, and the stupidity of actually crossing the WATCHMEN characters over with the actual DC Universe and its characters.

Setting aside my mixed feelings about Moore, WATCHMEN, and its legacy (its long-term impact of the industry has proven to be profoundly negative, and, as with so many Moore projects, it’s a deconstructionist riff built on the works of other people), I’m quite appalled by the continued attempts to exploit it. For me, the TV series was a non-starter. Didn’t watch it, don’t care. Everything I heard about it put me off. To say nothing of the fact that it was intended as a sequel to the comic, not the movie, which was a perfect way to confuse the average viewer.

And as has been said elsewhere, the first season was so successful and so acclaimed that they decided not to renew it for a second. Funny, that.

To Lindelof


You haven't ldealized Watchmen, but you"ve deformed it, mutilated it...that is your legacy

 

[ghostryder]

A Secret Writers Room, a Rising Scribe and a Post-‘Skywalker’ Timeline: A Look Inside Damon Lindelof’s ’Star Wars’ Movie (Exclusive)

Justin Britt-Gibson is penning the script with Lindelof, with the film potentially bringing back some characters from the 2010s films.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

And sources say that the story would take place after the events of 2019’s Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, although it would not be a continuation of the Skywalker saga. It could, however, feature some of the characters from the Star Wars trilogy made in the 2010s.

 

[NeoRutty]

I thought the Watchmen movie was just about the most boring movie I had ever seen, but I thought the tv series was really good. However, I had no investment in the series whatsoever as I didn't like the comic either.

Ha! agree.

I read the Watchmen comic when I was 13 and haaaaated it... so when an online comic show did a "book club" for it a while back I bought it again and re read it.

I just can't get into it... I was so bored.

So when they dropped the series, it was only my enjoyment of LOST and (yes I'm in the minority) PROMETHEUS, that had me check it out - and really enjoyed it.

 

[Gregatron]

A Secret Writers Room, a Rising Scribe and a Post-‘Skywalker’ Timeline: A Look Inside Damon Lindelof’s ’Star Wars’ Movie (Exclusive)

Justin Britt-Gibson is penning the script with Lindelof, with the film potentially bringing back some characters from the 2010s films.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

...yeah, there is no "Skywalker Saga", thanks. There's just "The STAR WARS Saga"--the actual, completed story of the original Lucas-era films--, and Disney has conveniently renamed it so they can put it into a little box on a shelf while they flood the market with their junk.

 

[JPH]

I thought the Watchmen movie was just about the most boring movie I had ever seen, but I thought the tv series was really good. However, I had no investment in the series whatsoever as I didn't like the comic either.

Did you watch the show first? The movie?

Then read the original comic?

The movie, the comic, were not for kids.

Watching the characters from the comic being brought to life in the movie, being true to their comic versions, was magic. And then there is the extended version which includes the comic pirate story added to it with the parallels.

I actually prefer the movie without the alien octopus; much more credible to see Manhattan showing his breaking point --like a parent telling their child, "I can give you something to *REALLY* cry about."

The first episode of the show had zero to do with the comic or the movie, it was taking advantage of the comic and movie's popularity to push its own agenda. This is happening wayyy too much in the entertainment industry. The only way to regulate this is to vote with your wallet and let those abortions die.

I seem to remember a Banana Splits movie that turned out to be a horror flick. Other than the characters *looking* like the original characters it was nothing like the fun-loving, show. It bombed. It DESERVED to bomb

 

[Laspector]

No, I read the comic when it originally came out. Didn't care for it one bit. Sorry, I'm not one of these people that stick Alan Moore up on some pedestal. Didn't like Watchmen and honestly I didn't really care for The Dark Knight Returns. It's long and boring and the artwork is abysmal. I could draw better than that when I was in the 1st grade. TDKR would've been better as a novel so I wouldn't have had to suffer through that godawful artwork. The only Alan Moore stuff I was really interested in was the twist he put on Swamp Thing. That whole bit of him not being a man who was turned into a plant, but instead just a ghost haunting some plant life was very cool.

As far as the Watchmen tv show, maybe I liked it because it pretty much had nothing to do with that over rated comic.

 

[Gregatron]

Did you watch the show first? The movie?

Then read the original comic?

The movie, the comic, were not for kids.

Watching the characters from the comic being brought to life in the movie, being true to their comic versions, was magic. And then there is the extended version which includes the comic pirate story added to it with the parallels.

I actually prefer the movie without the alien octopus; much more credible to see Manhattan showing his breaking point --like a parent telling their child, "I can give you something to *REALLY* cry about."

The first episode of the show had zero to do with the comic or the movie, it was taking advantage of the comic and movie's popularity to push its own agenda. This is happening wayyy too much in the entertainment industry. The only way to regulate this is to vote with your wallet and let those abortions die.

I seem to remember a Banana Splits movie that turned out to be a horror flick. Other than the characters *looking* like the original characters it was nothing like the fun-loving, show. It bombed. It DESERVED to bomb

The inherent problem is that Moore deconstructed superhero comics, and then the comic industry learned all of the wrong lessons. Instead of building it back up, they just went full grim-and-gritty, and the superhero movies from both DC and Marvel (especially DC) have increasingly followed suit. A genre aimed primarily at kids (and the young of heart) has produced a glut of dark, violent, and inappropriate movies and shows. If you have to stop and wonder whether or not to take a ten-year-old to a Superman or Batman movie, then you know something has gone seriously wrong.


We've reached a point where all of the major nerd franchises have become skinsuits worn by activists, corporate suits, and hacks to pursue their own agendas. Disney STAR WARS is only interested in George Lucas STAR WARS insofar as it can provide nostalgia-bait and merchandise. They don't care about respecting the stories or the characters, or continuing them in a logical way.


This is why I've come firmly down on the artistic/"show" side of "showbusiness", instead of the "business" side. Art matters. Stories matter. Creators matter. These things deserve a proper ending, rather than being milked forever. STAR WARS was Lucas' baby, and his films are the core of the franchise and its fully-realized artistic expression. It insists upon itself, and its impact upon our culture is unquestionable.

Everything else after he signed it away is corporate brand-management intended to make money (and promote The Message). And is therefore non-canon fan-fiction, at best, and a grotesque butchering of the original source material at worst.

 

[JPH]

Sorry, I'm not one of these people that stick Alan Moore up on some pedestal.

As far as the Watchmen tv show, maybe I liked it because it pretty much had nothing to do with that over rated comic.

Neither am I. I just recognized that this specific work was great and I was happy there was enough fanbase to warant a movie in a time when superhero movies were not common.

Mage was also great. I'd love to see that made into a movie over Grendel. But if Matt Wagner said he wanted nothing to do with it, I would be highly skeptical. If it opened by pooping its diapers about racism, I'd abandon it like a steaming turd.

 

[Funky]

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This explains the starting of this thread.

 

[batguy]

The inherent problem is that Moore deconstructed superhero comics, and then the comic industry learned all of the wrong lessons. Instead of building it back up, they just went full grim-and-gritty, and the superhero movies from both DC and Marvel (especially DC) have increasingly followed suit. A genre aimed primarily at kids (and the young of heart) has produced a glut of dark, violent, and inappropriate movies and shows. If you have to stop and wonder whether or not to take a ten-year-old to a Superman or Batman movie, then you know something has gone seriously wrong.

Very true.

It's kinda standard with pop art in general, though. Early 1990s Seattle rock looked & sounded grungy and it had good artistic chops & anti-corporate messaging. The next wave of rockers that followed . . . they just looked & sounded grungy. All the wrong messages were learned. It's par for the course.



As for the agenda/activism bit, I dunno how different these nerd franchises are from any other major franchise. These days Hollywood is not gonna make a movie about baseball or WW2 with a whole cast of straight white men, either. That is just off-limits right now no matter what the project is.

It could be argued that the nerd franchises are getting the clumsiest agenda-driven filmmaking, though. IMO that has a lot to do with writers/creators who shouldn't be making those shows in the first place. They don't know how to handle the nerd franchise shows correctly (and they are too creatively selfish/lazy to even try) so they default to doing something that feels safe.

20 years ago they were making a joke out of every old franchise remake no matter how serious it should have been. Eventually the public got too sick of that trend and they had to quit it.

10 years ago the studios were rebounding in the other direction. They were pouring a whole bottle of Heinz Dark-N-Gritty sauce all over everything. The public is getting burned out on that too.

So lately they seem to be trying social activism as their new flavor. It's just filmmaking-by-committee as usual.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

A super secret Star Wars movie possibly tied to the further adventures of Rey Palpatine and created by the “writer” / producer of the Paramount franchise masterpiece, Star Trek Into Darkness??

I am so there. You had me at “Damon”.

 

[cboath]

I think people are over thinking it.

We've had the RJ Trilogy announced
Taika's movie announced
Rogue Squadron announced and pulled
Kevin Feige's trilogy announced
And Obi Wan movie announced and turned to a series
A boba gett movie announced and turned to a series.

Weren't the GoT's guys doing a trilogy at one point, too?

I also thinking i'm forgetting another movie.

All of them have sorta vanished into the ether or become a tv show. Either LFL is driving them all away, they can't find anyone who'll create something good, or all had 'differences' of some sort. To announce all that and have 0 movies past the script stage at this point doesn't give me much reason to believe this will be any different.

You know, looking at that list, just maybe they should actually get to the casting phase before announcing something. They're turning themselves into a joke at this rate 'the studio who cried movie', not to be confused with the fable 'the boy who cried wolf'. Because, in the fable, the wolf eventually showed up.

 

[Gregatron]

Very true.

It's kinda standard with pop art in general, though. Early 1990s Seattle rock looked & sounded grungy and it had good artistic chops & anti-corporate messaging. The next wave of rockers that followed . . . they just looked & sounded grungy. All the wrong messages were learned. It's par for the course.



As for the agenda/activism bit, I dunno how different these nerd franchises are from any other major franchise. These days Hollywood is not gonna make a movie about baseball or WW2 with a whole cast of straight white men, either. That is just off-limits right now no matter what the project is.

It could be argued that the nerd franchises are getting the clumsiest agenda-driven filmmaking, though. IMO that has a lot to do with writers/creators who shouldn't be making those shows in the first place. They don't know how to handle the nerd franchise shows correctly (and they are too creatively selfish/lazy to even try) so they default to doing something that feels safe.

20 years ago they were making a joke out of every old franchise remake no matter how serious it should have been. Eventually the public got too sick of that trend and they had to quit it.

10 years ago the studios were rebounding in the other direction. They were pouring a whole bottle of Heinz Dark-N-Gritty sauce all over everything. The public is getting burned out on that too.

So lately they seem to be trying social activism as their new flavor. It's just filmmaking-by-committee as usual.

My theory is that these things usually only have a shelf-life of 20-30 years. You have the original creators, then a generation or two of fans-turned-pro (who usually still understand and respect the material), and then after that come the post-modernists, corporations, activists, etc., who don't understand the material and completely trash it.

 

[Gregatron]

I think people are over thinking it.

We've had the RJ Trilogy announced
Taika's movie announced
Rogue Squadron announced and pulled
Kevin Feige's trilogy announced
And Obi Wan movie announced and turned to a series
A boba gett movie announced and turned to a series.

Weren't the GoT's guys doing a trilogy at one point, too?

I also thinking i'm forgetting another movie.

All of them have sorta vanished into the ether or become a tv show. Either LFL is driving them all away, they can't find anyone who'll create something good, or all had 'differences' of some sort. To announce all that and have 0 movies past the script stage at this point doesn't give me much reason to believe this will be any different.

You know, looking at that list, just maybe they should actually get to the casting phase before announcing something. They're turning themselves into a joke at this rate 'the studio who cried movie', not to be confused with the fable 'the boy who cried wolf'. Because, in the fable, the wolf eventually showed up.

Exactly. I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they just kept announcing projects for the sole purpose of making it seem like everything is hunky-dory, like how Abrams' other disciples keep throwing garbage STAR TREK shows at the wall to make it seem successful.

The reality is that STAR WARS is probably over and done as a film franchise, in part because the culture is slowly moving away from theatrical cinema, and mostly because of the catastrophic and irreversible mismanagement of the source material.

Of course, STAR WARS' core identity IS theatrical films, so that just makes it even deaderer than it already is.

 

[HMSwolfe]

I think people are over thinking it.

We've had the RJ Trilogy announced
Taika's movie announced
Rogue Squadron announced and pulled
Kevin Feige's trilogy announced
And Obi Wan movie announced and turned to a series
A boba gett movie announced and turned to a series.

Weren't the GoT's guys doing a trilogy at one point, too?

I also thinking i'm forgetting another movie.

All of them have sorta vanished into the ether or become a tv show. Either LFL is driving them all away, they can't find anyone who'll create something good, or all had 'differences' of some sort. To announce all that and have 0 movies past the script stage at this point doesn't give me much reason to believe this will be any different.

You know, looking at that list, just maybe they should actually get to the casting phase before announcing something. They're turning themselves into a joke at this rate 'the studio who cried movie', not to be confused with the fable 'the boy who cried wolf'. Because, in the fable, the wolf eventually showed up.

My thoughts exactly. It’s a scam on investors and stockholders—“oh, we’re definitely still making movies! We have so much planned, see?” Then they release divisive names as leading the projects to generate buzz, that drives interest up, they quietly shelve the oldest “announced project” they’ve got, then they go back to the safety of “THE VOLUME” and endless Clone Wars television shows, because they’re cheap and not risky.

 

[Sluis Van Shipyards]

They're saying today that this movie will be post Sequels and possibly involve some Sequel characters. Because people want more of them... Right out of the gate they would have probably half the SW audience skipping it. I don't think that's a good business plan unless, like Marvel, your goal is antagonizing your fans.

I also read a report that Disney told KK to stop announcing SW projects, which is why there were no announcements at Celebration or that Disney day thing.