jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Martyn I got the m23 what ya looking for?
Martyn I got the m23 what ya looking for?
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
I looked in models/autos/tamiya m-23, they should still be available.
I looked in models/autos/tamiya m-23, they should still be available.
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Simon, yeah I know, ta, but I decided I wanted styrene. Seven bucks, you can't beat that! Got the M60 and another Centurion btw.
Stu, weird as hell. I tried again and got the lot...previously, I got the kits, the etched brass sets and the turned carb intake detail sets, but not the sprues. This morning two sprues came up. Anyway, thanks man!
Simon, yeah I know, ta, but I decided I wanted styrene. Seven bucks, you can't beat that! Got the M60 and another Centurion btw.
Stu, weird as hell. I tried again and got the lot...previously, I got the kits, the etched brass sets and the turned carb intake detail sets, but not the sprues. This morning two sprues came up. Anyway, thanks man!
Rodmart85
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Hi guys!
I've been out of the loop for quite a while, but never stopped doing research on the 5 footer.
I have a question for all of ya! Anyone knows the exact length of the Falcon?
In the Star Wars to Indiana Jones book and in other publications it is said to be173 cm in length, which is 5 foot plus 8,2 inches.
I've made some calculations and it seems to be quite a precise measurement when compared to the classical top view picture of the Chronicles book, but when compared with other pics it gives me less length.
Anyone has made calculations on this subject?
Rod
Hi guys!
I've been out of the loop for quite a while, but never stopped doing research on the 5 footer.
I have a question for all of ya! Anyone knows the exact length of the Falcon?
In the Star Wars to Indiana Jones book and in other publications it is said to be173 cm in length, which is 5 foot plus 8,2 inches.
I've made some calculations and it seems to be quite a precise measurement when compared to the classical top view picture of the Chronicles book, but when compared with other pics it gives me less length.
Anyone has made calculations on this subject?
Rod
crackerjazz
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Hi Rodmart, I'm curious, too. I got the same calculations - just based on the only part I have - the Wankel rotary engine, which is visible from the top view. It's a crude method I guess - just measured how many Wankels long the ship is - and got the same 163cm length. Try measuring the cockpit diameter against the Wankel - I got about 6 inches, which is what some members here said it should be, based on available materials of the day.
I hope someone can share any other top view shots - the classic one is distorted in some spots like areas of the mandibles. I don't understand how it would be possible to distort the photo this way, unless the 5-footer was built like this - with wonky maintenance hole alignment.
Hi Rodmart, I'm curious, too. I got the same calculations - just based on the only part I have - the Wankel rotary engine, which is visible from the top view. It's a crude method I guess - just measured how many Wankels long the ship is - and got the same 163cm length. Try measuring the cockpit diameter against the Wankel - I got about 6 inches, which is what some members here said it should be, based on available materials of the day.
I hope someone can share any other top view shots - the classic one is distorted in some spots like areas of the mandibles. I don't understand how it would be possible to distort the photo this way, unless the 5-footer was built like this - with wonky maintenance hole alignment.
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jedimaster
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I can give ya some measurements when I get in . The m23 parts and the 312b should help. But most have the same conclusion as yourselves.
I can give ya some measurements when I get in . The m23 parts and the 312b should help. But most have the same conclusion as yourselves.
ozzyguanche
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For what its worth, way back when, I got much the same as crackerjazz, using the same method. The Wankel engine. I didnt have the actual engine like crackerjazz has, but the specs on the net at the time were spot on. A three way balance in Auditing is considered a garantee of a balanced, so, if we can get another measurment from another part as jedimaster has suggested with the (m23 parts and the 312b) then one could safely assume it is correct.
I know I dont offer much assistance (cant afford the kits) but I check for this thread every day, and the job you guys are doing just blows me away.
I may never get the chance to build a 5 footer, but the detail I am able to get from your work will help me scratch every part for a AMT/MPC size build.
Now thats enough wind up ya $#^$^, get back to work.
Thanks again
Ozzy
For what its worth, way back when, I got much the same as crackerjazz, using the same method. The Wankel engine. I didnt have the actual engine like crackerjazz has, but the specs on the net at the time were spot on. A three way balance in Auditing is considered a garantee of a balanced, so, if we can get another measurment from another part as jedimaster has suggested with the (m23 parts and the 312b) then one could safely assume it is correct.
I know I dont offer much assistance (cant afford the kits) but I check for this thread every day, and the job you guys are doing just blows me away.
I may never get the chance to build a 5 footer, but the detail I am able to get from your work will help me scratch every part for a AMT/MPC size build.
Now thats enough wind up ya $#^$^, get back to work.
Thanks again
Ozzy
Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Hey Crackerjazz, I was working on my drawings last night and struggling with that distortion issue. It's not the only distortion either, seems as if the port upper docking tube surface is longer than the starboard upper docking tube surface, for example. This ship was thrown together as a late rethink build, so maybe it is just wonky.
I'm distrustful of all the measurements from the Japanese books (BotLA and Chronicles). Some are just totally off and some seem like they may have been done in ways surveyors and modelmakers wouldn't consider (running a tape along a diagonal or kinked edge, for example).
Right now I'm STILL getting 64" (162.5cm) overall, based off the engine vents being 4" and the maintenance pits 3". But that still gives me 6" for the cockpit tube! Still waiting on a Wankel in the post, hope it gets here soon...
Hey Crackerjazz, I was working on my drawings last night and struggling with that distortion issue. It's not the only distortion either, seems as if the port upper docking tube surface is longer than the starboard upper docking tube surface, for example. This ship was thrown together as a late rethink build, so maybe it is just wonky.
I'm distrustful of all the measurements from the Japanese books (BotLA and Chronicles). Some are just totally off and some seem like they may have been done in ways surveyors and modelmakers wouldn't consider (running a tape along a diagonal or kinked edge, for example).
Right now I'm STILL getting 64" (162.5cm) overall, based off the engine vents being 4" and the maintenance pits 3". But that still gives me 6" for the cockpit tube! Still waiting on a Wankel in the post, hope it gets here soon...
jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Ok the m23 part comes in at 120ml or 4&3/4 inches long
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And the 312b is 48mm x 57mm
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Ok the m23 part comes in at 120ml or 4&3/4 inches long
And the 312b is 48mm x 57mm
Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Yeah just picked up my M23 sprues on the way home. I make the part 121mm with calipers.
Made my drawing slightly undersize (whew!) It's still about an inch under vs. the BotLA/Chronicles measurement though.
From the Chronicles top view I'm getting 67.015" or 170.219cm. Simon, can you second me here, or do you get a different result?
Will post pics in a minute.
Yeah just picked up my M23 sprues on the way home. I make the part 121mm with calipers.
Made my drawing slightly undersize (whew!) It's still about an inch under vs. the BotLA/Chronicles measurement though.
From the Chronicles top view I'm getting 67.015" or 170.219cm. Simon, can you second me here, or do you get a different result?
Will post pics in a minute.
ozzyguanche
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
just a thought!
Its a 5 foot model. To take a plan view pic, means some distance above the model I would assume. Adjusting yourself to get a dead on plan photo would be dificult would it not? Possibility that some of the distortion is simply the angle of the photo.
I have always thought the cockpit was not dead on plan view, and maybe taken from a little to the left. Would this not distort the photo in that way. When you play with a 3d model in the same way, you see distortion.
Ozzy
just a thought!
Its a 5 foot model. To take a plan view pic, means some distance above the model I would assume. Adjusting yourself to get a dead on plan photo would be dificult would it not? Possibility that some of the distortion is simply the angle of the photo.
I have always thought the cockpit was not dead on plan view, and maybe taken from a little to the left. Would this not distort the photo in that way. When you play with a 3d model in the same way, you see distortion.
Ozzy
jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
What I really need is the correct diameter of the disc without the plating overhang. Also the profile curvature of the top and bottom hulls keeping in mind they are both different. Once I have these I'll do a vac form Buck for both hulls and mandibles.
What I really need is the correct diameter of the disc without the plating overhang. Also the profile curvature of the top and bottom hulls keeping in mind they are both different. Once I have these I'll do a vac form Buck for both hulls and mandibles.
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Ozzy it sounds like you are talking about parallax. The main problems are that we don't know the lens used, nor the distance from the camera. There's clearly a fair amount of parallax in the photo, so it wasn't taken with an ideal lens or at an ideal distance for our purposes. I doubt it was literally taken looking down on the model - more likely with the model mounted vertically. The camera was *reasonably* perpendicular to the model's datum, but (I think) not perfectly.
Also, the camera's angle relative to the datum wouldn't account for the *skews* in this picture.
Simon, I now make it 47.5" diameter for the sidewalls. The acrylic shells obviously a bit wider than that. Don't have a dim yet.
Ozzy it sounds like you are talking about parallax. The main problems are that we don't know the lens used, nor the distance from the camera. There's clearly a fair amount of parallax in the photo, so it wasn't taken with an ideal lens or at an ideal distance for our purposes. I doubt it was literally taken looking down on the model - more likely with the model mounted vertically. The camera was *reasonably* perpendicular to the model's datum, but (I think) not perfectly.
Also, the camera's angle relative to the datum wouldn't account for the *skews* in this picture.
Simon, I now make it 47.5" diameter for the sidewalls. The acrylic shells obviously a bit wider than that. Don't have a dim yet.
jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
OK using the kitparts and allowing for the overhang between the 8rad and 312 parts I get
16 3/4 inches. Add that to your 47 1/4 = 64" or 5 ft 4 1/2 inches. Now we have to acct for the fact the mandibles don't come from the center of the disc so could prob lose an inch inch and a 1/2.
OK using the kitparts and allowing for the overhang between the 8rad and 312 parts I get
16 3/4 inches. Add that to your 47 1/4 = 64" or 5 ft 4 1/2 inches. Now we have to acct for the fact the mandibles don't come from the center of the disc so could prob lose an inch inch and a 1/2.
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PS fourteen-and-a-bit M23 shells long. Arrgh - left the 312B bits out. How thick are they, Simon?
I'm getting:
Cockpit tube 6.25"
Mandible maint pits 3.125"
Acrylic shell diameter 49"
So much for my theory the shell might have been blown from standard 4x8 sheet...
BTW the acrylic shell forms the actual edge of the hull right alongside where the trench meets the engines; there's a short bit with no overhanging plating. (On the lower starboard hull it's a broader section.)
PS fourteen-and-a-bit M23 shells long. Arrgh - left the 312B bits out. How thick are they, Simon?
I'm getting:
Cockpit tube 6.25"
Mandible maint pits 3.125"
Acrylic shell diameter 49"
So much for my theory the shell might have been blown from standard 4x8 sheet...
BTW the acrylic shell forms the actual edge of the hull right alongside where the trench meets the engines; there's a short bit with no overhanging plating. (On the lower starboard hull it's a broader section.)
jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
49 makes this thing just under 5 1/2 feet. The 312 sits at 10mm exactly when the plugs are removed as per the ILM part.
49 makes this thing just under 5 1/2 feet. The 312 sits at 10mm exactly when the plugs are removed as per the ILM part.
Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
PPS 47.5" not 47.25" dude. That's for the sidewalls diameter, shells diameter would be 49" and overhanging sheeting diameter pretty close on 50".
Edit, ta, that was what I'd guesstimated. 171.35cm overall then, or 67.46", slightly bigger than your figure, you're still excluding the plating overhang right?
That'd make the Chronicles figure pretty good, got to admit. Only 2/3" off.
PPS 47.5" not 47.25" dude. That's for the sidewalls diameter, shells diameter would be 49" and overhanging sheeting diameter pretty close on 50".
Edit, ta, that was what I'd guesstimated. 171.35cm overall then, or 67.46", slightly bigger than your figure, you're still excluding the plating overhang right?
That'd make the Chronicles figure pretty good, got to admit. Only 2/3" off.
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crackerjazz
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The Wankel measures 20.6cm or very close to.
Here's how I got the 163cm. I measured more carefully before but this is roughly how I got it, making the ship slightly less than 8 Wankels long - praying that the topview is not that distorted. I'm a schoolkid, though, in the company of you fellows.
The Wankel measures 20.6cm or very close to.
Here's how I got the 163cm. I measured more carefully before but this is roughly how I got it, making the ship slightly less than 8 Wankels long - praying that the topview is not that distorted. I'm a schoolkid, though, in the company of you fellows.
jedimaster
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Re: Large scale Millennium Falcon Kit ID's
Gotcha. Yeah excluding the plating. CJ I like the idea.. We should measure all models in wankels. And that's the way I would have done it. I really need a 1:1 size blowup of that pic to stick on the wall.
Gotcha. Yeah excluding the plating. CJ I like the idea.. We should measure all models in wankels. And that's the way I would have done it. I really need a 1:1 size blowup of that pic to stick on the wall.
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