Hey, you up there in the ship....
It was Purely QMx Sonic Screwdrivers...
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This is directly from the QMX facebook page
A few years then yeah? Well it looks as if we've got some time to save up for what will probably be a prohibitively expensive but gorgeous replica (case in point: The Tessla Gun)
A few years then yeah? Well it looks as if we've got some time to save up for what will probably be a prohibitively expensive but gorgeous replica (case in point: The Tessla Gun)
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mooneye63
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Realistically It just aint gonna happen is it? What I can't understand is there are 2 or 3 prototypes that have been commissioned sitting with QMx right now, all ready to be copied. That we know is true, its been mentioned here & we've seen them, they've shown them off months ago... So what's the problem? Why hasn't someone been working on them?
So now let's look at a release date? If its gonna be a reality aim for one, maximise interest, capitalise on the brand? Right erm pluck a date out of the air, ooh erm... let's say 23rd Nov 2013 shall we? Perfect! 50yr anniversary equals huge publicity. But no, nothing again, Cos it aint gonna happen & QMx are, in my opinion, 'chain pulling' for whatever reason. What's the point of showing em off if there are no plan to work on them get them out & make money. Surely its better not to show them off at all & get peoples hopes up?
Just out of interest, can someone tell me how long they have held the licence now & is there a limited amount of time for someone to hold it without producing goods?
This posting confirms to me that this doomed project is dead in the water as predicted by a number of people. I mean, even those die hards on this forum who said 'never ever don't touch "XX's" unlicensed products, EVER!' have now given up the ghost waiting & openly admit they have one/will buy one indirect from the supplier.
QMx I fear you have missed the boat & would love to see a hand on heart poll here of all those who REALLY think this Sonic will ever see the light of day.
I have posted this elsewhere, but read these to links. They are from Purpleblancmange blog. The 1st one is a history of & the problems making this prop. The 2nd is about the classic Sonic, but read on to comments section as it mentions the reality of ever seeing produced another 9/10th Sonic, & reveals a few porky-pies!
The 9th and 10th Doctor’s Sonic Screwdriver (Updated). « PurpleBlancmange
Classic Sonic Screwdriver – Archive Update « PurpleBlancmange
So now let's look at a release date? If its gonna be a reality aim for one, maximise interest, capitalise on the brand? Right erm pluck a date out of the air, ooh erm... let's say 23rd Nov 2013 shall we? Perfect! 50yr anniversary equals huge publicity. But no, nothing again, Cos it aint gonna happen & QMx are, in my opinion, 'chain pulling' for whatever reason. What's the point of showing em off if there are no plan to work on them get them out & make money. Surely its better not to show them off at all & get peoples hopes up?
Just out of interest, can someone tell me how long they have held the licence now & is there a limited amount of time for someone to hold it without producing goods?
This posting confirms to me that this doomed project is dead in the water as predicted by a number of people. I mean, even those die hards on this forum who said 'never ever don't touch "XX's" unlicensed products, EVER!' have now given up the ghost waiting & openly admit they have one/will buy one indirect from the supplier.
QMx I fear you have missed the boat & would love to see a hand on heart poll here of all those who REALLY think this Sonic will ever see the light of day.
I have posted this elsewhere, but read these to links. They are from Purpleblancmange blog. The 1st one is a history of & the problems making this prop. The 2nd is about the classic Sonic, but read on to comments section as it mentions the reality of ever seeing produced another 9/10th Sonic, & reveals a few porky-pies!
The 9th and 10th Doctor’s Sonic Screwdriver (Updated). « PurpleBlancmange
Classic Sonic Screwdriver – Archive Update « PurpleBlancmange
NakedMoleRat
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Actuallly the boat was missed with another 10th sonic. We need an 11th right now, not another 10th!
greatwazoo42
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Is Purple a member here?
I'm not sure, but I don't think he likes his blog being linked to; it's private now and requires a login to view.
greatwazoo42
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Shame that. It's all a pretty good read.
EdgeofNowhere
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I know purple was a member at the TARDIS rebuilders board a few years ago. I'm not sure how active he is anymore, though
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Yeah, I'm one of 'em. Then again, I was after the Eccleston Sonic to begin with as I already had an MFX 10th, so my options were limited to begin with. But that's really beside the point. At this time, I don't care who it is, but the first company/person/group to come out with a reasonably accurate 11th doc Sonic in metal is going to get my money, License or not.
mooneye63
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For those that have missed it here are Purples thoughts & answers to a few questions posted re the 9/10 Sonic. The link to the info can be seen via my original link at Comparason Sonics post
"The irony with that design of sonic is that it is actually really simple to make. It’s not as hard as people make it out to be, but what every replica that I’ve seen does, is to cock up the shape of the head, the shape of the ridged section on the main body and also the black rear cap.
QMx don’t actually have Mr. Robatto onboard, he was drafted in because we (the engineering firm) refused to give up our computer models, so effectively, all they had were the two prototypes that we made for him – this was fine for display, but they had nothing to give their manufacturers to work from. Nick was brought in purely to recreate a bunch of “masters” for them to work from and draw up their own CAD models. Quite how this will all pan out, I don’t know as I’m not involved...I honestly think the boat has long sailed on that score, this version of the device is old news – it’s all Mat Smith sonic these days, but it is nice though – less iMac.
What crackle was used on the original sonics? I can’t recall what it’s name was now, but I know it was a standard, off the shelf glaze that you can get from any decently stocked art shop. You often see it being used on picture frames and the like… there was nothing more to it than that, no great mystery really.
A good ploy to tracking down anything that the props department has used is to look for easy to obtain stuff. 9 times out of 10, you can bet that this is what they’d have used. They’re not going to go out of their way to use the most hard to come by stuff as that just adds extra time and effort to their workload. Why go boating up the Amazon for something when you can get it locally?"
"The irony with that design of sonic is that it is actually really simple to make. It’s not as hard as people make it out to be, but what every replica that I’ve seen does, is to cock up the shape of the head, the shape of the ridged section on the main body and also the black rear cap.
QMx don’t actually have Mr. Robatto onboard, he was drafted in because we (the engineering firm) refused to give up our computer models, so effectively, all they had were the two prototypes that we made for him – this was fine for display, but they had nothing to give their manufacturers to work from. Nick was brought in purely to recreate a bunch of “masters” for them to work from and draw up their own CAD models. Quite how this will all pan out, I don’t know as I’m not involved...I honestly think the boat has long sailed on that score, this version of the device is old news – it’s all Mat Smith sonic these days, but it is nice though – less iMac.
What crackle was used on the original sonics? I can’t recall what it’s name was now, but I know it was a standard, off the shelf glaze that you can get from any decently stocked art shop. You often see it being used on picture frames and the like… there was nothing more to it than that, no great mystery really.
A good ploy to tracking down anything that the props department has used is to look for easy to obtain stuff. 9 times out of 10, you can bet that this is what they’d have used. They’re not going to go out of their way to use the most hard to come by stuff as that just adds extra time and effort to their workload. Why go boating up the Amazon for something when you can get it locally?"
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"Honestly I was going to wait for QMX to produce a 10th sonic but if they cant confirm it will even be produced then I'm sorry I'm taking my business to CT. Look at the Firefly MAL metal pistol prototype by QMX that never came."
That's a key quote. Most people that really want such and are willing to spend the money are also willing to look now fo rthe best out there and make the purchase. A company CANNOT take years to produce a licensed piece unless it is that Iconic or expected to sell at a great price so late. Even then they have lost the window opportunity for niche market sales.
That's a key quote. Most people that really want such and are willing to spend the money are also willing to look now fo rthe best out there and make the purchase. A company CANNOT take years to produce a licensed piece unless it is that Iconic or expected to sell at a great price so late. Even then they have lost the window opportunity for niche market sales.
Ya know, thats not exactly fair. The thing with any fan made product is that at the end of the day, the number of people that need to approve the final product, construction method, cost, materials, etc is significantly smaller than say something like a Licensed piece. There is a metric frak-ton of back and forth discussions and revisions that have to be approved my a myriad of parties i.e BBC, QMX, and who ever QMX hires out for the final fabrication.
phez
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I am fairly sure that the licensee pay an up front fee plus a percent of each sale. Unless there is someone knocking down the door that will make them more money than QMX I think they can just pay to renew and sit on the license. Honestly I do not think any one will be able to hold the license AND compete with the prices of the CT pieces so unless some one went for higher price more accurate there is likely no one else competing for the license. I bet QMX will just sit on it until they can put something out (it is all profit for the BBC no matter what they do).
Kinda makes you wonder, doesn't it? Why the BBC would let the license sit with someone who is not producing a product while someone who IS producing a product, at a quality and price unlikely to be touched by anyone else, remains relegated to producing unofficial products whose very existence weakens the market for the nebulous licensed product if it ever does come out.
Seems to me the best solution is to offer CT the license.
nickytea
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Hey folks,
quick reminder that talking about FUTURE product of a banned member (hiya, CT!) is not wanted on the RPF aka "shilling", a violation of the RPF member guidelines.
The product may be superior, the licensee may be wayyy too late and missing release date after release date, still a no-go to talk unless anybody has an item in hand that he/she can show off. Show the licensee some respect, because, although currently definitely not succeeding, they try to bring fans items for their enjoyment. Why respect them? Because...
... that is where you guys show your lack of knowledge about how licensing works, combined with a lot of naivité and wishful thinking.
You first have to BUY a license, meaning that you have to pay a princely sum up front to just be able to use the brand.
An example: Someone wants to create something based on a well known modern fairy tale. The license alone would have cost him 25K Euros, plus legal expenses. Before he had sold anything. Then he´d have to present the product to the company´s board, to get their approval. After going through the tedious process of creating a product that the license giver would be satisfied with, meaning quite a few additional euros for preproduction, he´d have to hand over 19 (!)% from the sale of every sold item! Now doing the math isnt´t too hard that it would take quite a few items before actually making a profit.
I have no clue what the conditions are for Doctor Who, but can imagine that, due to its world wide popularity, the fees won´t be small.
It´s not unusual that a company moves from garage kit maker status to licensee, even for a big license, look at Anovos, or QmX, or even the defunct Master Replicas, and may the better prop maker win, so one can only hope, but with the history already behind a lot of Doctor Who props I don´t see any way how our chinese friend would be able to go from illegal to legal.
With all the overhead that a licensee has, from engineering to manufacturing to accounting to distributing, with a lot of people trying to make a living by producing props, and all those steps inbetween, thay can´t actually compete with a one-man-show who does the aforementioned very likely all by himself, and satisfactory to boot.
He´s filling a niche, moving perhaps a good couple dozens of highest quality items, and making some money on them, satisfying the fans more than the official licensee.
So he´s the winner on more than one level in this scenario, why should he change it?
Perhaps only when he gets hired by QmX?:lol
Michael
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quick reminder that talking about FUTURE product of a banned member (hiya, CT!) is not wanted on the RPF aka "shilling", a violation of the RPF member guidelines.
The product may be superior, the licensee may be wayyy too late and missing release date after release date, still a no-go to talk unless anybody has an item in hand that he/she can show off. Show the licensee some respect, because, although currently definitely not succeeding, they try to bring fans items for their enjoyment. Why respect them? Because...
... that is where you guys show your lack of knowledge about how licensing works, combined with a lot of naivité and wishful thinking.
You first have to BUY a license, meaning that you have to pay a princely sum up front to just be able to use the brand.
An example: Someone wants to create something based on a well known modern fairy tale. The license alone would have cost him 25K Euros, plus legal expenses. Before he had sold anything. Then he´d have to present the product to the company´s board, to get their approval. After going through the tedious process of creating a product that the license giver would be satisfied with, meaning quite a few additional euros for preproduction, he´d have to hand over 19 (!)% from the sale of every sold item! Now doing the math isnt´t too hard that it would take quite a few items before actually making a profit.
I have no clue what the conditions are for Doctor Who, but can imagine that, due to its world wide popularity, the fees won´t be small.
It´s not unusual that a company moves from garage kit maker status to licensee, even for a big license, look at Anovos, or QmX, or even the defunct Master Replicas, and may the better prop maker win, so one can only hope, but with the history already behind a lot of Doctor Who props I don´t see any way how our chinese friend would be able to go from illegal to legal.
With all the overhead that a licensee has, from engineering to manufacturing to accounting to distributing, with a lot of people trying to make a living by producing props, and all those steps inbetween, thay can´t actually compete with a one-man-show who does the aforementioned very likely all by himself, and satisfactory to boot.
He´s filling a niche, moving perhaps a good couple dozens of highest quality items, and making some money on them, satisfying the fans more than the official licensee.
So he´s the winner on more than one level in this scenario, why should he change it?
Perhaps only when he gets hired by QmX?:lol
Michael
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