cayman shen
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God, you sound like my wife!
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Iron man 2 - Spoilers!
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Subtracting emotion is the fist thing that happens to properties. It's a waste of time to get involved with what people are feeling when we could use that time to make more CG men and explosions. But, as someone said earlier, anyone expecting anything better than okay from Iron Man 2 - well, there's something wrong with you. If you didn't bother to turn your brain off at the door - that's your problem, not Marvel.
EvilRocketeer
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:unsure premature endings are never a good thing
firesprite
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You know, I was going to post my own reaction in the thread, but I'll just forgo it. I think I must've watched a different movie than the negative nellies here. :rolleyes
I agree 100%. I took the whole fam to see it this morning and we all loved it. It wasn't anything more or less than what I expected. Exciting superhero action flick. I felt all the heroes were portrayed perfectly. Black Widow made my heart skip a beat...more than once. Mickey Rourke's Crimson Dynamo/Blacklash hybrid worked out better than I thought it would. Rhodey as the War Machine was outstanding.
Rockwell was hilarious. I swear while he was walking out during the Hammer presentation at the Expo both my 10 year old and I started singing "I'm the Captain on my ship, I'm the Captain on my shi-hip". Yeah, it was quite a departure from the comic version of the character, but we enjoyed it anyway.
Again, not begrudging anyone's opinion. Everyone has the right to one, but I can't help but feel sorry for anyone that didn't thoroughly enjoy this film. Seriously, people have gotten too wrapped up in technicalities and critical hype that they just can't enjoy something like this when the opportunity presents itself. Why not just have a good time for the sake of having a good time?
My brother is sort of "in the biz" as well, and I wonder if you simply are TOO knowledgeable about screenplay writing and movie production, so the flaws and missed opportunities always stand out?
CGClone
Sr Member
Don Cheadle knocked Rhodes out of the park, excellent job. Especially his opening scene walking into congress.
Loved it. I thought it was a good look at the human side of Stark again. Leaving him as an Avengers consultant sways from the comics, but everyone is always in and out of the Avengers.
Anyone catch The Hulk on the TV screen?
Loved it. I thought it was a good look at the human side of Stark again. Leaving him as an Avengers consultant sways from the comics, but everyone is always in and out of the Avengers.
Anyone catch The Hulk on the TV screen?
SirJediKnightTim
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I didn't notice the Hulk. Does anybody have a screenshot of it?????
cayman shen
Master Member
I just re-watched Iron Man 1, this time with my kids, and I was really surprised by how little relative action there was in it. My kids much preferred the sequel because of the more continual battle sequences. I didn't think the sequel was nearly as well done as the original, but I didn't think its faults were severe. It was a fun, servicable sequel, and I enjoyed getting out to see it, and finally getting to see War Machine in action! 
kalkamel
Master Member
I looked at it differently. Don Cheadle seemed somewhat flat as Rhodey and wasn't as charismatic as Terence Howard. Thye should've negotiated better with Howard, imho... he would have rocked as War Machine.
As for the movie overall, I was a bit underwhelmed. It was decent, but nowehere near as great as the first movie. At times it felt a bit overindulgent; Tony is not as likeable as he was in the first movie, Mickey Rourke isn't used to the full extent etc. But I loved the parts with Gary Shandling, especially the medal ceremony at the end! :lol
Can't wait for Thor.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Shandlings face was so shiny and puffy he could have been schilling botox.
Clutch
Master Member
Just saw it. I thought it was ok, but man, that movie had a whole lotta dumb in it.
We're gonna fight a whole army of 'roger roger' robots and then Ivanko is gonna show up in some super suit that he created in secret and have his ass handed to him inside of two minutes. Ivanko - I'm gonna warn you that you are about to die and btw, all my robots are gonna start blinking RED and make ominous beeping sounds before they self-destruct! Then Pepper, who happens to be standing next to one is gonna stand there and stare at the blinking red light like that woman in The Andromeda Strain. And THEN Tony knows where she is standing so that he can fly over and rescue her!
People can wiggle their fingers over the keyboard and do miraculous things. Tony's long-dead father encoded how to make a new element into his diorama because he knew his son would one day need it? Tony can figure this out by waving his hands in the air and clapping? How did Rhoady get the suit off? Robotic arms with a sense of humor? Missles that fart!?
I am starting to think Samuel J. can ruin any movie now. I kept waiting for him to mention something bout bringing balance in the force. His attire was pretty dumb as well with Scarlet's (I don't even know who her character is supposed to be) coming in a close second. I was weirded out by Micky Roark's fingernails too.
I don't see what the big deal was at the very end. It was met with a deafening silence in the room.
I like Iron Man because it could be real. The technology and all. Something I can grasp. I think introducing any fantastical characters/aliens will make it mucho-cheesy.
We're gonna fight a whole army of 'roger roger' robots and then Ivanko is gonna show up in some super suit that he created in secret and have his ass handed to him inside of two minutes. Ivanko - I'm gonna warn you that you are about to die and btw, all my robots are gonna start blinking RED and make ominous beeping sounds before they self-destruct! Then Pepper, who happens to be standing next to one is gonna stand there and stare at the blinking red light like that woman in The Andromeda Strain. And THEN Tony knows where she is standing so that he can fly over and rescue her!
People can wiggle their fingers over the keyboard and do miraculous things. Tony's long-dead father encoded how to make a new element into his diorama because he knew his son would one day need it? Tony can figure this out by waving his hands in the air and clapping? How did Rhoady get the suit off? Robotic arms with a sense of humor? Missles that fart!?
I am starting to think Samuel J. can ruin any movie now. I kept waiting for him to mention something bout bringing balance in the force. His attire was pretty dumb as well with Scarlet's (I don't even know who her character is supposed to be) coming in a close second. I was weirded out by Micky Roark's fingernails too.
I don't see what the big deal was at the very end. It was met with a deafening silence in the room.
I like Iron Man because it could be real. The technology and all. Something I can grasp. I think introducing any fantastical characters/aliens will make it mucho-cheesy.
They should have just gone the Demon in the Bottle route and called it a day.
I can't believe I'm about to agree with this this guy but YES! You get it!! I HAVE been an Ironman fan for well over 30 years. This should stick very close to his main problem, his drinking.
Jannix Quinn
Sr Member
I'm a bit worried about Avengers.
I can see how they can handle Captain America. You can focus on the 'man out of his time' thing and do his origin with lots of Saving Private Ryan shots. You can do the ice thing, and lots of super-solder-serum things. He's realistic enough to make a movie you can tie in with Iron Man.
Hulk? Well, if he's the bad guy I guess he's just an object to fight.
Thor? As much as I love Thor I am having trouble seeing how well he will translate to screen. He could turn cheesy VERY quickly, and he doesn't really fit that well into the Marvel Universe established by the Iron Man movies.
Black Widow is basically any martial artist, so ok.
Combine them, and I have no idea where the movie will be able to stay as serious as it needs to. Iron Man is light hearted and funny, sure, but it's still grounded in reality and relatable to non-comic nerds. I mean, what is the threat going to be? What is the super bad guy that requires them to form a team? It seems Mace Windu and the SHIELD guys think something is up, but what?
Hopefully not aliens or some crap like that. It probably will be though.
I can see how they can handle Captain America. You can focus on the 'man out of his time' thing and do his origin with lots of Saving Private Ryan shots. You can do the ice thing, and lots of super-solder-serum things. He's realistic enough to make a movie you can tie in with Iron Man.
Hulk? Well, if he's the bad guy I guess he's just an object to fight.
Thor? As much as I love Thor I am having trouble seeing how well he will translate to screen. He could turn cheesy VERY quickly, and he doesn't really fit that well into the Marvel Universe established by the Iron Man movies.
Black Widow is basically any martial artist, so ok.
Combine them, and I have no idea where the movie will be able to stay as serious as it needs to. Iron Man is light hearted and funny, sure, but it's still grounded in reality and relatable to non-comic nerds. I mean, what is the threat going to be? What is the super bad guy that requires them to form a team? It seems Mace Windu and the SHIELD guys think something is up, but what?
Hopefully not aliens or some crap like that. It probably will be though.
C0mmand3rC0dy
Sr Member
I just imagined Samuel Jackson and David Hasselhoff side by side. Has anyone else seen "Nick Fury: Agent of Shield"? Talk about a bad movie there but I loved it anyway.
Paul Andrew
Master Member
Well, when you combine them I imagine it will be about like the avenger's comic books. Where you know... you have a russian spy, a guy in a metal super-suit, a norse god, and dude with a shield who embodies human physical perfection. So uh, yeah. I don't know if you've ever heard of this comic, but they fight aliens called skrulls. A lot. Also ancient alien dragons. Old chinese men with ring fetishes. You know. Comic book stuff.
Maybe its just me, but shouldn't a comic book movie be a COMIC BOOK MOVIE? Does the Avenger's need some kind of serious overtone? It's a super-team comic book. Camp is the order of the day and it will be served plentifully I am sure. Also expect to see lots of ass-kicking, one-liners, heroic posing, and melodrama. Also things found in modern superhero comics.
That having been said, aside from my comments about the final fight sequence with Vanko, I really dug this movie. It watches just like a comic book reads. And it should, since it's a COMIC BOOK MOVIE.
When are they gonna do a Citizen Kane graphic novel? Thats the real question!
Jannix Quinn
Sr Member
Yes, your sarcasm aside, I know all that it's a comic book movie.
My point is that Iron Man is really successful, I think in part because it's not so wild as, say, Fantastic Four was. Even the first Spider-Man was very solidly grounded in reality with the discovery and use of powers handled well.
If they go all out with camp, I think it will lose a lot of the non nerd audience, like what happened with Fantastic Four.
My point is that Iron Man is really successful, I think in part because it's not so wild as, say, Fantastic Four was. Even the first Spider-Man was very solidly grounded in reality with the discovery and use of powers handled well.
If they go all out with camp, I think it will lose a lot of the non nerd audience, like what happened with Fantastic Four.
There are plenty of people here who seem to have not liked the film or at least felt a little short changed with what they saw. I won't say that I see half baked ideas onscreen and know immediately they come from development by committee.
Speaking of which - they will NEVER do the alcoholic story line. They want families to come see these movies. Never in a million years will they risk one child not being able to buy an Iron Man action figure. "But, mommy - Iron Man dwinks"
cayman shen
Master Member
I agree. The first shot of him in Iron Man 1 was a close up of a tumbler of Scotch. But they did have him get outrageously, irresponsibly drunk during the party scene. Still, I really liked the grown-up manner they handled Tony's drinking in in some of the comics (inc. Ultimate Iron Man). The first movie was really more mature, the sequel a bit dumbed down/kiddified. Having the reactor make him sick is an interesting obstacle, but it's nowhere near as interesting an obstacle as alcohol, imo. As much "real world" as can be retained in fantasy/sci-fi, the better, I think. Think about Luke, how accessable and REAL he was as a teenager, compared with Anakin.
OK, I'm rambling, but I'm sure you get my point. I enjoyed the sequel, but it definitley fell into the the pitfall of needlessly convoluted plot when the complexity should have been in the character.
There, I've got it! My theory of storytelling: simple plot, complicated characters.
My god, I'm brilliant. :lol
JannixQuinn, I agree 100%. The first movie was enjoyed by just about EVERYONE, not just nerds.
And yeah, SLJ sucked. I was distracted by the strap mushing his ear to boot.
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