joberg
Legendary Member
Well, he's a white guy after all, Hell bent on "stealing" from (name your Country/creed/race here:...) and that patriarchal-colonialism - crap will not do anymore
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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I'm just waiting for articles and so called fans to start coming out of the woodwork and claiming the character is "problematic."
You can only tear down film heroes for so long before your audience starts to wise up and stop watching your ****** movies.
You can only tear down film heroes for so long before your audience starts to wise up and stop watching your ****** movies.
joberg Psab keel
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
But it is turning.
It might not seem this way if your hanging out too close to the mainstream narrative, but the common-sense silent majority have had enough and are starting to return fire.
In the US it's been a one-sided, cultish, self-destructive slug fest against Western culture in the last 5 years. And after all the back-stepping and attempting to "stay out of it", that silent majority started holding the line and are currently rolling-up their sleeves.
My concern is that, historically, when cultural events like we've witnessed in the last few years begin to backfire; counteractions rarely swing back to the common-sense line. They tend to overshoot that line to eventually become an even bigger problem. See: The Men Who Wanted To Be Left Alone. I believe this type of mentality is growing, and its consequences will be historic.
But to get back on track -
It...S..U..C..K..S... to see franchises like this and SW get this kind of treatment from studios, to cater to the most insignificant, most divisive and least-contributing demographic of our society. But these cultural shifts are creating huge gaps that new creators (young & old) are converting into opportunities to initiate fresh, entertaining ideas for all of us to enjoy and discuss. There's a fair chance that the next ten years will present us with content that's just as fun as what Raiders and SW were back then. I hope...
For me, the essence of Indy and SW (and good entertainment) has been generally shoved aside a long time ago along with the audience who loyally made those franchise what they are. We're just having a hard time dealing with it - or at least I am.
But it is cyclical.
There's still crap to come, but good stuff is on the way.
Yeah, it's unfortunate.
But it is turning.
It might not seem this way if your hanging out too close to the mainstream narrative, but the common-sense silent majority have had enough and are starting to return fire.
In the US it's been a one-sided, cultish, self-destructive slug fest against Western culture in the last 5 years. And after all the back-stepping and attempting to "stay out of it", that silent majority started holding the line and are currently rolling-up their sleeves.
My concern is that, historically, when cultural events like we've witnessed in the last few years begin to backfire; counteractions rarely swing back to the common-sense line. They tend to overshoot that line to eventually become an even bigger problem. See: The Men Who Wanted To Be Left Alone. I believe this type of mentality is growing, and its consequences will be historic.
But to get back on track -
It...S..U..C..K..S... to see franchises like this and SW get this kind of treatment from studios, to cater to the most insignificant, most divisive and least-contributing demographic of our society. But these cultural shifts are creating huge gaps that new creators (young & old) are converting into opportunities to initiate fresh, entertaining ideas for all of us to enjoy and discuss. There's a fair chance that the next ten years will present us with content that's just as fun as what Raiders and SW were back then. I hope...
For me, the essence of Indy and SW (and good entertainment) has been generally shoved aside a long time ago along with the audience who loyally made those franchise what they are. We're just having a hard time dealing with it - or at least I am.
But it is cyclical.
There's still crap to come, but good stuff is on the way.
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, I think that a lot of this is just part of a generational experience of growing up. You watch your heroes succumb to mortality just like everyone else. You watch your parents grow old, frail, maybe ill, and pass away. Your own body begins to wear out some, all while your kids are growing up.
And yeah, it's scary. But it's also...just the way of things.
It's strange. I think a lot of us, especially as fans of certain movies, have spent our time watching and re-watching those movies over and over and over again. They're lots of fun to revisit, but while we're doing that, the actors are aging while their screen presences (for many of us) are not. Indiana Jones is perpetually 37 years old if you rewatch Raiders a ton of times. But Harrison Ford is 80. And there's no getting around that no matter how you digitally rejuvenate him or double him or whatever. I see him in interviews, and I think to myself "Wow. That guy's in great shape for 80. But also...he's very clearly 80." His speech patterns, his movements, it reminds me of interviews you'd see with Paul Newman in his later years.
It kind of makes me wonder if film and home media perpetuate this...sense of clinging to the past for dear life, because they offer us such an easy way to dive into that past and immerse yourself in it for at least 2 hours.
I've been doing a re-watch of Babylon 5 lately, and it's great. It's also very, very 90s and even aside from the f/x and production design and acting styles, there are little things that pop up like...people in the 23rd century getting copies of newspapers which just scream "90s"!! Meanwhile, print media is withering away in our world. But at the same time, I can immerse myself in that "feel" of the 1990s if I want to, and I've got over 4500 hours of it that I can just bask in if I want to.
But outside, the world continues to spin and time marches on, and my beard gets a little greyer each day as my daughter gets a little taller.
On the one hand, I think it's fine to enjoy art for its own sake, independent of the creators or actors or whathaveyou. At the same time, when someone is a genuinely reprehensible person, I think it's understandable that someone might be conflicted about enjoying their art if the act of enjoyment is also going to line that reprehensible person's pockets.
Ultimately, that determination of "This person is reprehensible and I don't want to contribute to their livelihood" is down to each individual audience member, but I think it's a reasonable thing to do in the abstract.
Solo4114
Master Member
Yeah, I think that a lot of this is just part of a generational experience of growing up. You watch your heroes succumb to mortality just like everyone else. You watch your parents grow old, frail, maybe ill, and pass away. Your own body begins to wear out some, all while your kids are growing up.
And yeah, it's scary. But it's also...just the way of things.
It's strange. I think a lot of us, especially as fans of certain movies, have spent our time watching and re-watching those movies over and over and over again. They're lots of fun to revisit, but while we're doing that, the actors are aging while their screen presences (for many of us) are not. Indiana Jones is perpetually 37 years old if you rewatch Raiders a ton of times. But Harrison Ford is 80. And there's no getting around that no matter how you digitally rejuvenate him or double him or whatever. I see him in interviews, and I think to myself "Wow. That guy's in great shape for 80. But also...he's very clearly 80." His speech patterns, his movements, it reminds me of interviews you'd see with Paul Newman in his later years.
It kind of makes me wonder if film and home media perpetuate this...sense of clinging to the past for dear life, because they offer us such an easy way to dive into that past and immerse yourself in it for at least 2 hours.
I've been doing a re-watch of Babylon 5 lately, and it's great. It's also very, very 90s and even aside from the f/x and production design and acting styles, there are little things that pop up like...people in the 23rd century getting copies of newspapers which just scream "90s"!! Meanwhile, print media is withering away in our world. But at the same time, I can immerse myself in that "feel" of the 1990s if I want to, and I've got over 4500 hours of it that I can just bask in if I want to.
But outside, the world continues to spin and time marches on, and my beard gets a little greyer each day as my daughter gets a little taller.
On the one hand, I think it's fine to enjoy art for its own sake, independent of the creators or actors or whathaveyou. At the same time, when someone is a genuinely reprehensible person, I think it's understandable that someone might be conflicted about enjoying their art if the act of enjoyment is also going to line that reprehensible person's pockets.
Ultimately, that determination of "This person is reprehensible and I don't want to contribute to their livelihood" is down to each individual audience member, but I think it's a reasonable thing to do in the abstract.
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***** is always 33yo (or whatever) when he is doing his miracles in the Bible. Stories are inherently a specific block of time being replayed.
I think if anything the modern visual media makes us confront aging MORE than past eras of storytelling & myths. We see specific real individuals photographically frozen. In previous centuries these characters were abstractions (or at least illustrations) without a real human actor attached to them and the whole issue never came up as much. Few people could afford a realistic oil portrait of themselves/loved ones. Even those were generally idealized by the artist.
Modern media's extreme realism also splashes us in the face with a million little reminders of every single year passing. In pre-industrial artwork they tended to depict classical heroes/characters and stories looking too much like their own time. (When an artist in the 1500s painted a battle that took place in the 1200s, everybody in the artwork would be wearing 1500-style dress & armor. Etc.) The world used to change at a much slower pace in general and they had little research material/etc to make them aware of the changes.
Today it's a normal thing to watch hyper-realistic footage of the world from 10-20 years ago, notice a bunch of differences in daily life, and critique how specific people are aging. That kind of awareness was possible 200 years ago but it was orders of magnitude less prevalent.
I think if anything the modern visual media makes us confront aging MORE than past eras of storytelling & myths. We see specific real individuals photographically frozen. In previous centuries these characters were abstractions (or at least illustrations) without a real human actor attached to them and the whole issue never came up as much. Few people could afford a realistic oil portrait of themselves/loved ones. Even those were generally idealized by the artist.
Modern media's extreme realism also splashes us in the face with a million little reminders of every single year passing. In pre-industrial artwork they tended to depict classical heroes/characters and stories looking too much like their own time. (When an artist in the 1500s painted a battle that took place in the 1200s, everybody in the artwork would be wearing 1500-style dress & armor. Etc.) The world used to change at a much slower pace in general and they had little research material/etc to make them aware of the changes.
Today it's a normal thing to watch hyper-realistic footage of the world from 10-20 years ago, notice a bunch of differences in daily life, and critique how specific people are aging. That kind of awareness was possible 200 years ago but it was orders of magnitude less prevalent.
Riceball
Master Member
I don't think that it's the fault of filmmakers so much as the studios. As movie budgets have gone up and up over the past few decades, movie studios have become even more risk adverse. so I think that while the directors and screenwriters are wanting to do their own thing and follow in the footsteps of those that came before them the studios aren't overly willing to take a chance on something completely original so that's why we get all of these sequel,s prequels, and reboots, because the studios feel that they are a safer bet for their money. And if you really think about it, this isn't entirely a new phenomenon, Hollywood has always liked playing it safe and whenever one studio does something to break the mold that turns into a huge success, all of the other studios are quick to follow suit by producing their own copycat production. Anyone remember how Westerns were a big thing and every studio was cranking out Westerns like mad? And then war movies, particularly WWII movies were the in thing, then it disaster movies. Then there was this little sci-fi movie that did well called Star Wars that all of the studios were trying to capitalize on by creating their own answer to Star Wars like the original BSG, and Battle Beyond the Stars.
Well they tried once when they tried to make Indy a child molester for Marion being 16 when they were together.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Recently discovered The Dave Cullen Show. I like he avoids some of the over the top click baity thumbnails. So far I've found him very down to earth, and smart.
To be fair Disney is giving people a lot of material to rant about in the last 8 years...
Jaitea
Master Member
Yes, don't think we will see any change in the direction they've taken, I think its a Catch-22 situation, they are heading to go bust, but if they try to course correct the stakeholders could pull the plug
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VanPersie
Well-Known Member
They've still made money overall, yes. I should've stated value as well as the unknown amount of lost market capitalization. Notice that their operating income for their media/entertainment divisions is substantially lower while their revenues are only marginally higher. Their biggest revenue generator -television- is down. The movies have done well overall despite some critical duds. Their streaming services are a mixed bag. The parks are still strong of course but, this being an entertainment forum, I was mainly focused on that.
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