Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

Wolfsburg I guess you're right at that. I opted for the sole mad scientist Nazi because as unbelievable as it is, there is a bit of truth to it, if anecdotal. There are a number of villages, one in particular (though I forget the name of), at the southern tip of Brazil and into Paraguay and Argentina that has a baby-boom generation that are taller, blonde-haired and light-eyed and look unlike anyone else in their village. They said as children in the 50's and 60's, a kind old man who said he was a government doctor went around administering polio or malaria vaccines and inoculated entire populations. It might not be a Nazi scientist or anything that fantastic, but these people and their stories exist and that's baffling enough without considering the implications.
 
Wolfsburg I guess you're right at that. I opted for the sole mad scientist Nazi because as unbelievable as it is, there is a bit of truth to it, if anecdotal. There are a number of villages, one in particular (though I forget the name of), at the southern tip of Brazil and into Paraguay and Argentina that has a baby-boom generation that are taller, blonde-haired and light-eyed and look unlike anyone else in their village. They said as children in the 50's and 60's, a kind old man who said he was a government doctor went around administering polio or malaria vaccines and inoculated entire populations. It might not be a Nazi scientist or anything that fantastic, but these people and their stories exist and that's baffling enough without considering the implications.
I lived in Brazil for a few years. There are a few German colonies that pre-date WWII (from what I was told) in the south of Brazil, so it’s conceivable escaping Nazis could have gone there. By all accounts, though, there definitely were Nazis in places like Argentina and Chile.
 
"I don't believe in magic. But a few times in my life, I've seen things. Things I can't explain."

Arnold Toht humbly requests to have a discussion with Dr. Jones regarding his opinions on “magic” and the supernatural…

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I always thought that the line Indy gave to Marcus, after the latter expressed his fear of the Ark: “I don’t believe in magic; a lot of superstitious hocus pocus…” was to show Indy as a transformed man, after witnessing the power of the Ark.

“They don’t know what they’ve got there…” he said, at the end of the movie, regarding government officials who treated the Ark as just another item to possess.

Prior to that time, Indy dismissed any perceived supernatural power of the Ark as “magic”.

“Lightning…fire…’Power of God’ or something…(said dismissively)”
 
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Should we draw a distinction between miracles and magic? I'm pretty sure if you went around saying ***** was really good at magic, it wouldn't go over well.
No one mentioned miracles and Alley said " magic" and " Supernatural" so miracles would definitely fall under the supernatural ...he already made the distinction.
 
I always have to remind myself that the typical rage-peddling Youtube video maker…claiming to have networks of “Hollywood Spies” feeding them information and preferencing everything they are saying as informed “rumor”…are typically guys like this:

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I agree in general, but there are a couple I've watched who are tending to be more right than not. I think there are leakers coming out who are in the productions, who are fans, and they see the company (lately it's mostly Disney) veering away from what the property should be. They then try to sound the alarm, Youtubers put it out, Disney says "Oh that's not true, they're a bunch of -ists and -phobes!". and then when it comes out they were right. I think that's why you are seeing a trend of companies saying they will not hire fans. Yeah that could help with them being too precious to the source material if they need to change things that work in a comic, for example, but not a movie. However it also could be to let major lore/canon breaking changes creep into scripts and then no one is around to stop it.
 
I always thought Excalibur would have been a great MacGuffin.
Excalibur would be great. Or King Arthur's scabbard. Or a piece proving Atlantis was real. Or the missing part of the rosetta stone. The lance of Longinus. Or a million other things people are tangentially familiar with. I have no idea what a dial of destiny is and it sounds too fictional.

I think what made Indiana Jones being an archeologist great is that he is delving into the mysteries of the universe and finding magic from the mundane. There are rumors of magical items or relics of great power or just mystery in history. Indy just puts a spin on it by adding magic to explain its power. Hell, if Disney was out of ideas for relics, they should have popped in a season of Warehouse 13. The premise of that tv show was how would the US government actually run a warehouse filled with ancient magical relics, the warehouse of the show being inspired by the warehouse where the ark was kept at the end of Raiders.

Warehouse did lean too much into sci-fi with time travel and people from other time periods coming into the modern era (it was on Syfy) which doesnt fit with Indy but gives a good idea of how to approach imo, give a far more grounded idea on one of those relics.
 
Also, a big problem I doubt Disney can tackle is that Indy is a very personal series. Yes, the movie is about finding some magic relic and beating up the bad guys but it is heavily focused on Indy as a person and the transformation he goes through his journey, filling a previous flaw or pain he carries.

Raiders - moving from a cynical man to someone who can believe in God again
Temple of Doom - Learning to be heroic and saving others (this one was the weakest of the trilogy imo)
Last Crusade - fixing his relationship with his father (my favorite. I love the interactions between Junior and Dad Jones)

Star Wars is also honestly quite a personal journey, showing the progression of the Skywalker family and Disney not only missed the memo but literally eradicated the Skywalkers.
 
Let me splain,....no there is too much. Let me sum up.

It's a stupid line. Indy saying he does not believe in magic but has seen things, bla, bla.

I have seen things I can not explain. You all have likely as well.

Indy has personally witnessed the power of GOD!!!!!!!!!!!! on several occasions.

Also, it does not matter what you believe, as long as you believe hard. Beyond stupid and insulting. If Indiana Jones at this point does not believe in God and believes any belief is okay as long as you believe "hard" is beyond sad.


Also why do we get the long speech from Sallah, when I have a feeling he is not in this much. I have a feeling it will be a cameo,.

As always I may be wrong, but I think we all know I am not. :p
 
Also, a big problem I doubt Disney can tackle is that Indy is a very personal series. Yes, the movie is about finding some magic relic and beating up the bad guys but it is heavily focused on Indy as a person and the transformation he goes through his journey, filling a previous flaw or pain he carries.

Raiders - moving from a cynical man to someone who can believe in God again
Temple of Doom - Learning to be heroic and saving others (this one was the weakest of the trilogy imo)
Last Crusade - fixing his relationship with his father (my favorite. I love the interactions between Junior and Dad Jones)

Star Wars is also honestly quite a personal journey, showing the progression of the Skywalker family and Disney not only missed the memo but literally eradicated the Skywalkers.

IMO 'Raiders' is about Indy reuniting with Marion. He starts off thinking of her as a minor complication for the mission. By the end of the movie he's standing on a cliff pointing a rocket launcher at the Ark and saying "All I want is the girl." In the final scene he doesn't have the Ark but he has the girl.

It was a shame that they abandoned her so uncerimoniously after that first movie. (Everybody had realized it by the time they did 'Crystal Skull'.) They had an excuse with 'Temple' (it's a prequel) but when it came to 'Crusade' they should have made at least some throwaway comment about why she was gone again. Even just a couple of sentences about her would have helped.
 
Excalibur would be great. Or King Arthur's scabbard. Or a piece proving Atlantis was real. Or the missing part of the rosetta stone. The lance of Longinus. Or a million other things people are tangentially familiar with. I have no idea what a dial of destiny is and it sounds too fictional.

I think what made Indiana Jones being an archeologist great is that he is delving into the mysteries of the universe and finding magic from the mundane. There are rumors of magical items or relics of great power or just mystery in history. Indy just puts a spin on it by adding magic to explain its power. Hell, if Disney was out of ideas for relics, they should have popped in a season of Warehouse 13. The premise of that tv show was how would the US government actually run a warehouse filled with ancient magical relics, the warehouse of the show being inspired by the warehouse where the ark was kept at the end of Raiders.

Warehouse did lean too much into sci-fi with time travel and people from other time periods coming into the modern era (it was on Syfy) which doesnt fit with Indy but gives a good idea of how to approach imo, give a far more grounded idea on one of those relics.
My only gripe with Excalibur is that it's really cliche at this point. It would make Indy just one of many stories that have dealt with that subject. It's Arthurian Legend...we already had Arthurian Legend in The Last Crusade with the Grail. The Ark is a Biblical reference, the Grail was never a Biblical reference that was ever made into any significance. It's significance came by Arthurian legend. ***** only mentioned "cup" and though there was literal drink in it, there was no special physical significance, it was purely metaphorical. The actual physical cup ***** had in His hand that the other disciples drank from is no more special Biblically then the animal feeding trough he was placed in after birth. It's significance was more about what it represented. My point is they would be dealing with an artifact that was more significant to Arthurian Legend than the Bible itself with the Grail and by going with Excalibur they'd be heading down the same road again. I would much rather Indiana Jones go after something more real than Excalibur that doesn't really deal with legend and romanticism but actual historical significance. The Copper Scroll would be an awesome topic to explore because its now post Dead Sea Scroll discovery.(1952) That would bring Indiana Jones to Israel during a very turbulent time in their history and would bring many layers to the storyline itself that were actually real and experienced. Maybe the title being:

Indiana Jones
Revelations of the Copper Scroll
 
There are no more historical objects that live up to being an Indiana Jones MacGuffin today because there never really were any. All the MacGuffins in the previous 4 movies have serious liberties taken for film purposes. The objects, their powers, their threats, the parties pursuing them, etc.


Excalibur?

Okay, sure. Combine it with the same sword that was drawn from the stone and call it a single one. Invent an obscure legend that if it ever gets thrust back into the stone then England will break wide open and be destroyed by the pre-Christian gods that created it. Have a group of renegade 1960s Soviet KGB operatives wanting to try that because there's a vein of Unobtanium ore running directly under the faultline in England under that critical stone. Whatever. This kind of spitballing is how the Indy movies have always been brewed up.


The core problem with trying to do more Indy movies now is the expectations. The 1980s originals were so much greater than the sum of their parts. We're talking about Lucas, Speilberg, Lawrence Kasdan, John Williams, Frank Marshall, ILM's pre-CGI heyday, Harrison Ford, Sean Connnery . . . during the 1980s you could have put that group in charge of a Roger Corman project and the results would still have been good.
 
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