I believe it's solely Disney.
Indiana Jones 5 officially announced
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CopperRevan
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"Oh...but they offer this generation a chance to know the characters that we knew grewing up..blah blah blah"
"come on, the kids will enjoy it...blah blah blah"
The difference is the characters of Star Wars and Indiana Jones were originals!!!
If you want to do something for this generation and this generations kids and have it be iconic and long lasting, come up with something original and impactful yourselves instead of using our originals as a means to money grab and destroy.
They can't because they're not talented enough or their talent is limited by their own way of thinking and are no longer pioneers in the industry or creative...just woke, robotic parasites that play us like the stock market...they get in, get the biggest bang for their buck and then there out again moving on to the next living organism. There is no more story telling...in the name of exploring vast horizons they reduce everyones view to their own agenda and rehashing foundations that have already been laid...It's absolutely disgusting in my opinion.
Indiana Jones inspired so many of us to go on adventures of our own...to write on our own...to explore on our own.
You want to do something for the kids of this generation? Inspire them to be creative and full of adventure...Don't limit it by just retconning everything. All They are doing is trying to brainwash kids of this generation into following their own ideology and slapping all of us in the face who kept this alive to begin with and paid their way. They aren't "honoring" the creator of the franchise...they are dismantling them..."making it there own "because it's not the creators anymore...well fine, if it's yours then it's not ours anymore and that is why we aren't going gaga over it. I just can't anymore. It just disgusts me.
"come on, the kids will enjoy it...blah blah blah"
The difference is the characters of Star Wars and Indiana Jones were originals!!!
If you want to do something for this generation and this generations kids and have it be iconic and long lasting, come up with something original and impactful yourselves instead of using our originals as a means to money grab and destroy.
They can't because they're not talented enough or their talent is limited by their own way of thinking and are no longer pioneers in the industry or creative...just woke, robotic parasites that play us like the stock market...they get in, get the biggest bang for their buck and then there out again moving on to the next living organism. There is no more story telling...in the name of exploring vast horizons they reduce everyones view to their own agenda and rehashing foundations that have already been laid...It's absolutely disgusting in my opinion.
Indiana Jones inspired so many of us to go on adventures of our own...to write on our own...to explore on our own.
You want to do something for the kids of this generation? Inspire them to be creative and full of adventure...Don't limit it by just retconning everything. All They are doing is trying to brainwash kids of this generation into following their own ideology and slapping all of us in the face who kept this alive to begin with and paid their way. They aren't "honoring" the creator of the franchise...they are dismantling them..."making it there own "because it's not the creators anymore...well fine, if it's yours then it's not ours anymore and that is why we aren't going gaga over it. I just can't anymore. It just disgusts me.
I noticed that the images of “de-aged Indy” looked somehow “off” and I finally figured out why…he seems to still have the “jowel-like chin / jawline” of old Indy vs. younger Indy…
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I don't really have a problem with the title (I actually think it fits well), the problem I have is one I addressed about the McGuffin not being strong post-Raiders. The Ark of the Covenant, it's in the Bible, said to speak with the voice of God; level mountains, kill armies, etc. Most people have heard of it and it's a semi-mythical artifact that has some cultural meaning and significance, even if its existence debatable. The Holy Grail/Cup of ****** is similar, said to be the one he used at the Last Supper and then held his blood and chest fluids when he was crucified (this and the immortality angle are medieval additions, so take them as you will) and also debated to have even existed. The joy in the Indy films about these things is that they're treated real but still wholly inexplicable.
The Sankara Stones? Never heard of them (also not real) but they're based on "columns used to represent Shiva." Great. Crystal skulls? Victorian fakes. Antikythera mechanism? By most examinations, a Grecian astrolabe. With the Ark and the Grail, there's already a built-in mysticism and mystery to them (certainly to people in the West), what else comes close to them? Answer: very few, but when one needs to build up and ascribe a mystery and grandeur to something very real but fairly mundane, that's when the wheels start veering off the road.
The Sankara Stones? Never heard of them (also not real) but they're based on "columns used to represent Shiva." Great. Crystal skulls? Victorian fakes. Antikythera mechanism? By most examinations, a Grecian astrolabe. With the Ark and the Grail, there's already a built-in mysticism and mystery to them (certainly to people in the West), what else comes close to them? Answer: very few, but when one needs to build up and ascribe a mystery and grandeur to something very real but fairly mundane, that's when the wheels start veering off the road.
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Yeah, I hate that argument. This generation doesn't need their own Indy or Ghostbusters or whatever else. They can watch the originals and enjoy them because they're great timeless movies and characters or they can have their own new thing and that's totally fine.
HMSwolfe
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I think it would have been neat if in Crystal Skull, Indy acknowledges the Mitchell-Hedges Skull (and every other “found” skull) as fakes, but is totally baffled by the real one. I mean, he’s still surprised when he finds the skull, but it would have been nice to build in that element that “real, historical” crystal skulls were all patently shams.
Thanks for making me have to look up the word alliteration guys:
the occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words.
"the alliteration of “sweet birds sang”"
: the repetition of usually initial consonant sounds in two or more neighboring words or syllables (such as wild and woolly, threatening throngs)
the occurrence of the same letter or sound at the beginning of adjacent or closely connected words.
"the alliteration of “sweet birds sang”"
: the repetition of usually initial consonant sounds in two or more neighboring words or syllables (such as wild and woolly, threatening throngs)
Jawlines are de-aging 101. I doubt they would overlook such a basic issue.
My guess is that they modeled their CG young Indy face from 'Last Crusade'. That's probably the closest old Indy movie to the timeframe of the scenes in the new one. Harrison was in his late-40s by then and looked a notch older than in the Star Wars OT era.
I remember Doomcock ranting about 'The Last Jedi' when it came out. That was about 6 years ago. If he is a 13yo edgelord today then he must have started off as a 7yo edgelord.
At any rate, credit where it's due. He has called the plot of this movie correctly for a couple years now.
His reports of Kathleen Kennedy being fired are keeping his batting average down. But his storyline leaks about the LFL projects seem very consistent.
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As much as I like the warehouse chase, I thought a great thread to follow was the story he tells about getting black-bagged by government agents with a number of others to excavate and clear the Roswell crash-site. That would've been a great start to a completely different Indy movie. That would've been a great reason to involve the Soviets then. KGB wants to know what was spotted over and crashed in the US that warrants so much secrecy, and they abduct Indy and the others involved, revealing they know it was aliens and they want the tech and whatever else was there. Reveal they have a crystal skull taken from a crash-site of their own and use it to implant thoughts into Indy and the group to get more information on the Roswell material. The skull implants into Indy to return it to its ship, Indy steals it and manages to escape and spends the rest of the movie evading the KGB and CIA agents after him to return it. Beeline straight from there to the end. No Mutt, no Marion, no John Hurt; just the threat of potential enemies wherever he goes and the artifact influencing his mind. No fat, whatsoever. Pointless to talk about it now, as I only got pieces of that movie in my mind, but that was running in my head while I was originally watching KotCS. (At that point, I would've called it "Mystery of the Crystal Skulls," instead).
Also, I remember there were jokes at the time about Indy being the Cold War era with things like "Indiana Jones and the Cuban Missile Crisis," or "Indiana Jones and the Bay of Pigs." I thought those were great names even if they were jokes!
I always thought the Spear of Destiny (the spear supposed to have stabbed ****** while on the cross) was interesting too but weapons like that I find hard to justify why Indy would be involved in finding them. There isn't much established history or lore around them and what they do. Excalibur is nothing but Arthur's sword (given to him by the Lady in the Lake, and not to be confused with the Sword in the Stone) and he takes it with him to rest until the time calls him to action again. What would be the point in collecting it? Indy works best on a ticking clock; he has to get to the thing and do something before someone else does. At that point, why would anyone want a sword or spear? They really don't pose a threat on a great scale to warrant being found, and exist then to find as novelties. Indy needing to collect them just because before Hitler's goons do seems uninteresting. So we're stuck with the same problem posited before: Do we take Indy to the extremely outlandish, or do we rehash adventures in the desert and jungle during WWII?
To the former idea of the outlandish: Indiana Jones and The Immortal Army - Indy is attacked while working at site in South America by raiders, this leads to Indy discovering that raids like these are to fund expeditions deep into the Amazon by a shadow group. This group turns out to be run and organized by an aged former Nazi scientist and his genetically engineered uber-men (village children he continued experimenting on during hiding) in search for the Fountain of Youth, whose waters are said to rejuvenate and keep forever healthy those who drink from it. By way of standard Indy wit and flair, Indy is roped up somehow and finds the site. With, who, or how, I leave to your imagination. There he finds the last remnants of a city of "immortals," worshipped and protected by the savage tribes of the Amazon. The Fountain will grant all these things it's said to but it must constantly be drank from to be sustained. However, it's greatest curse is the melancholy and apathy it brings by the drawn out years of life it bestows. It extends life but inevitably destroys the soul, often manifesting the deepest cruelties of man. For that, the Fountain's spring was destroyed (or lapped dry) long ago and now the remaining "immortals" happily wait to die. Conflict erupts between the two factions and they both kill each other off. A little trickle of what could be the Fountain's waters is found but Indy knows better, there's nothing worth left going back to that well. Indy returns home, keeping a memento mori of the adventure, hanging up his hat and whip, and retires back into his life as a professor teaching the next group of archeologists going into the world. That is, until he gets a call about helping dig up Gobekli Tepe.
To the latter idea of the rehashing: Indiana Jones and The Vengeance Weapon - A specialist group of Allied soldiers are killed trying to sabotage the secret Nazi mega-weapon, the V-3, but their intel makes it out. The project's completion is sped up and soon to be deployed, a last-minute, rag-tag group of Allies must scrounge together and get there in time before it is unleashed upon the world's hero forces. They cannot deploy into the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe and must find a way through the North African front. They need a man who's trusted, who's savvy; who knows the land, language, people, and customs well from Morocco through Italy to help guide this scrappy group. There is but one man in the area with the expertise and know-how, currently helping researchers and scientists save a dig site in the desert for post-war research, his name is Indiana Jones! Think Dambusters and Guns of Navarone kind of movie but with Indy in an ensemble instead of his own.
To the latter idea of the rehashing: Indiana Jones and The Vengeance Weapon - A specialist group of Allied soldiers are killed trying to sabotage the secret Nazi mega-weapon, the V-3, but their intel makes it out. The project's completion is sped up and soon to be deployed, a last-minute, rag-tag group of Allies must scrounge together and get there in time before it is unleashed upon the world's hero forces. They cannot deploy into the heart of Nazi-occupied Europe and must find a way through the North African front. They need a man who's trusted, who's savvy; who knows the land, language, people, and customs well from Morocco through Italy to help guide this scrappy group. There is but one man in the area with the expertise and know-how, currently helping researchers and scientists save a dig site in the desert for post-war research, his name is Indiana Jones! Think Dambusters and Guns of Navarone kind of movie but with Indy in an ensemble instead of his own.
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HMSwolfe
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You’ve obviously put a lot of thought into those, I like them.
Wolfsburg
Master Member
Yeah I noticed this as well. I could almost justify it as a "younger" Indiana Jones, if not "young Indiana Jones". Lol! If these segments are in 1945 or thereabouts, I could see him looking a bit different than he did in the first three movies, being 8-9 years later? Of course, it's not the years, it's the mileage...lol!
Wolfsburg
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I like these ideas! I always thought it would've been better to go with the Odessa (ie: fugitive) Nazis instead of Russians. Plenty of Nazis escaped Europe after WWII and where did a great many go? South America! It would've been a logical way to maintain Nazis as a bad guy in a 1950s setting. He runs into a underground network of them that want to somehow use the crystal skulls (or El Dorado, Fountain of Youth, secret German weapon or some other MacGuffin) to facilitate the rise of the 4th Reich, etc. etc.
The problem with the Odessa Nazis were that they were just individuals at that point, and lack the pull, power, and fear the whole group had. Also, many were incorporated into many government bodies and given citizenship for their expertise (read up on Operation: Paperclip for those State-side).
Soviets worked for the time in the 50's but their use is way different than Nazis. That's what was off. What made them scary is the cloak-and-dagger, clandestine M.O. they and everyone followed during the Cold War.
Soviets worked for the time in the 50's but their use is way different than Nazis. That's what was off. What made them scary is the cloak-and-dagger, clandestine M.O. they and everyone followed during the Cold War.
Wolfsburg
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Well obviously it'd be fictionalized. In my mind, it would be plenty plausible for Indy to stumble into an underground network of them even if such a group looking for artifacts didn't exist in reality.
In fact, ones with local government connections could've been an interesting added wrinkle to the Nazi conspiracy Indy discovers and looks to unravel.Similar threads
