Indiana Jones 5 officially announced

[Cephus]

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Because Indy apparently has no agency and can't make his own decisions, he needs a strong wahmen to make him do things against his will.

Now reverse that and if it had been Harrison Ford carrying PWB back to the future against her will, there would have been hell to pay.

 

[batguy]

What lessons will be learned from Indy#5:


In the immediate sense I'm guessing they will just blame the faces involved.

Harrison, we love ya, but you're 80yo.
PWB, you didn't bring in younger/non-Indy-fans.
Mangold, this one was kinda slow.
Kennedy, we gotta draw the line somewhere. You're fired.


In the longer view, they might gain some reluctance about 20th-century properties. They don't get any bigger than SW and Indy. If those two are failing then it's time to get more cautious about doing anything so far back. Blade Runner 2049 failed (financially). Alien & Terminator have been crappy for a long time. The successes are in the minority.

. . . . which probably means they shift their priorities to rebooting/sequeling newer stuff.

 

[Malibu139]

It’s interesting that Ford’s percentage deal for KOTCS got him 65 million. More than the opening weekend domestic gross of DOD.
Pay on DOD was 25 million, not sure if there was a percentage

Tom Cruise ended up with over 100 million for TG maverick

 

[Ron]

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He took multiple punches from the German mechanic, the Thuggee taskmaster, Col. Vogel, and the Spetsnaz officer but somehow his 130lb goddaughter was the one that was able to knock him out for days?

 

[drftfan]

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The Ark is opened revealing sand which wipes out all of the Nazis in the immediate vicinity by the power of God. Indy and Marion ,who is in a night gown and barefoot, carry the ark back to the docks where other Nazis are now waiting but the crew of the Bantu sneaks up on them killing them with oars and boxes. The the Ark is loaded onto the Bantu which proceeds to stealthily leave the area without other German U-boats blowing them up. Then we are magically transported to an office where the Us Government is telling them they have top men working on it.

Yep. Great writing.
It's easy to poke holes in many many many films. The point is to suspend belief and just watch the movie.

 

[Lightning]

He took multiple punches from the German mechanic, the Thuggee taskmaster, Col. Vogel, and the Spetsnaz officer but somehow his 130lb goddaughter was the one that was able to knock him out for days?

Well, the blood loss, and he is 70. But regardless it is an unrealistically long time. They had to get from italy to New York!

 

[Solo4114]

it was OK.

Not great, not horrible. The diving scene made my wife cringe, she's a diver and was bothered by the fact that they'd all die from that.

I thought they could cut about 2 or 3 hours out of the car chase scenes without hurting the movie.

Without having seen it, I'm gonna guess "rapid ascension leading to burst alveoli and death, or at least a truly awful case of decompression sickness."

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Well... I guess it's time to agree with the consensus here. Movie studios are trying EVERY TRICK IN THE BOOK to save face & lessen the impact of impending disasters...

First you have LucasFilm digging into the pit of nostalgia to use an aging star who's been in some of the biggest blockbusters in history & is a certified global movie star & throwing him into an unasked for sequel to a multipart franchise, bringing back relics of the past films just for 'member-berries' while adding a current 'IT' girl to maybe freshen up the franchise in a Hail Mary effort to not crap the bed.

AND WORSE OF ALL, as so many have pointed out here in this very thread, they were so sure that IJ&tDoD was going to bomb, they were giving out a free ticket if you spent $35 at a restaurant.

Shameful

Now, I have to agree that the proof is in the pudding...

Even though all signs from critics, online scores, early reviews, & general word of mouth has this upcoming turd nugget of cinema rated at about a 99% across the board, these desperate charlatans are having to BRIBE an unsuspecting audience of gullible sheep into their seats by offering $5 off a ticket if you purchase, not from one single restaurant mind you, but one of 117 different, bottom of the barrel, dreck-fests that this studio has produced in the past. I encourage any that don't believe myself or the other prognosticators of doom to check it out for yourselves.

Your opinion doesn't matter & you're being corralled into the sheep pens by these businessmonsters to trick you into seeing crap! If you enjoy something, stop & think... You could be damaging the psyche of someone who doesn't.

Let's movie responsibly people.

Lol

(On my phone, IDK how to do emojis, although it's been explained to me in the past, I'm old. So for my peace of mind, please imagine a GIANT eye roll emoji here at the bottom of my post. Thanks)

 

[JPH]

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He took multiple punches from the German mechanic, the Thuggee taskmaster, Col. Vogel, and the Spetsnaz officer but somehow his 130lb goddaughter was the one that was able to knock him out for days?

Indy had been shot.

That's why I mentioned being "hemodynamically stable" earlier.

Also, he is also now 80.

Anterograde amnesia, from head trauma, combined with blood loss, meds used during surgery for a chest wound. Prolly drugged him for the flight home

I would hope Helena's ability to sneak stolen artifacts across borders would also help sneaking people as well.

 

[Ron]

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Indy had been shot.

That's why I mentioned being "hemodynamically stable" earlier.

Also, he is also now 80.

Anterograde amnesia, from head trauma, combined with blood loss, meds used during surgery for a chest wound. Prolly drugged him for the flight home

I would hope Helena's ability to sneak stolen artifacts across borders would also help sneaking people as well.

Okay, I'll concede that he could've been incapacitated based on this. I still don't believe she could knock him out though even at 80 and having been shot.

 

[AJTaliesen]

Without having seen it, I'm gonna guess "rapid ascension leading to burst alveoli and death, or at least a truly awful case of decompression sickness."

rapid descent AND rapid ascent. She was already huffing a bit that they just dropped a couple hundred feet super fast without anyone regulating at all. Then to go up they inflate their life jackets and shoot all the way to the surface super fast.

For me it wasn't as bad as the fridge in the last movie, but I've only ever done the beginner dives. 40 feet at most. Kindergarten under water. For my wife who dives a lot it was a real butt clencher.

 

[JPH]

Okay, I'll concede that he could've been incapacitated based on this. I still don't believe she could knock him out though even at 80 and having been shot.

Half your blood volume is in your chest, meaning your lungs can't expand properly.

You are hypoxic.

You are soooo groggy, you just wanna sit down and die watching a 2000 year-old battle. A toddler could push you over and launch you into darkness.

Anyone who has been through a major trauma and doesn't recall what happened will agree.

 

[Psab keel]

The fact that Indy has given up on life is the crux of why many people dislike this movie. All the details, the punch, time travel, de-aging, all that crap, is nothing compared to having Indy choosing cowardice at all. There's no diginity in that, even if Ford put in a great performance. I watched the Indiana Jones movies all my life because he was a hero who never gave up, no matter the odds. In almost every case, deconstructed heroes suck because they willfully ignore their own heroic traits in order to unnecessarily drag the story on long after it ended.

 

[Solo4114]

rapid descent AND rapid ascent. She was already huffing a bit that they just dropped a couple hundred feet super fast without anyone regulating at all. Then to go up they inflate their life jackets and shoot all the way to the surface super fast.

For me it wasn't as bad as the fridge in the last movie, but I've only ever done the beginner dives. 40 feet at most. Kindergarten under water. For my wife who dives a lot it was a real butt clencher.

Oof. That does sound rough. Rapid descent should impose a ton of pressure on a person (depending on how deep they go and how fast). AT the very least you'd expect them to be clearing their ears.

Rapid ascension can kill you if you go too fast. For me, that's somehow worse than "The inflatable raft saved us from falling out of the plane." Like, unless you have cartoon person lungs, the air sacs in your lungs will just rupture if you go too fast.

Deepest I've been was about 100' doing some continental wall dives. Gorgeous, but also sobering to look down and it just...keeps...going...into the darkness.

And that required a safety stop at 15' for at least 5 min, while ascending only as fast as my slowest bubble.

 

[Cephus]

The fact that Indy has given up on life is the crux of why many people dislike this movie. All the details, the punch, time travel, de-aging, all that crap, is nothing compared to having Indy choosing cowardice at all. There's no diginity in that, even if Ford put in a great performance. I watched the Indiana Jones movies all my life because he was a hero who never gave up, no matter the odds. In almost every case, deconstructed heroes suck because they willfully ignore their own heroic traits in order to unnecessarily drag the story on long after it ended.

That is what needs to go away, all of the idiotic deconstruction nonsense. Stop deconstructing things! Indiana Jones would never act like he acted in this movie. He would never have pushed over racks of archaeological artifacts. He is an archaeologist first who would have died before destroy relics of the past. He would never have given up in any of this. This is not Indiana Jones.

 

[Ron]

Half your blood volume is in your chest, meaning your lungs can't expand properly.

You are hypoxic.

You are soooo groggy, you just wanna sit down and die watching a 2000 year-old battle. A toddler could push you over and launch you into darkness.

Anyone who has been through a major trauma and doesn't recall what happened will agree.

He didn't look that groggy in the scene but alright, I'll give it to you, JPH . If that's what Mangold was going for, he could've just had Indy pass out and spare him the indignity of being knocked out. The thing is, it still doesn't solve the main problem of that scene which is that Indy doesn't make the choice to return home and deal with his personal struggles. Helena makes that choice for him taking away all his agency. If she instead successfully motivated him to come to his senses, that would have been an actual arc for him. Of course, I don't think Indiana Jones would even find himself in such a dire strait emotionally but that's another discussion.

The fact that Indy has given up on life is the crux of why many people dislike this movie. All the details, the punch, time travel, de-aging, all that crap, is nothing compared to having Indy choosing cowardice at all. There's no diginity in that, even if Ford put in a great performance. I watched the Indiana Jones movies all my life because he was a hero who never gave up, no matter the odds. In almost every case, deconstructed heroes suck because they willfully ignore their own heroic traits in order to unnecessarily drag the story on long after it ended.

That is what needs to go away, all of the idiotic deconstruction nonsense. Stop deconstructing things! Indiana Jones would never act like he acted in this movie. He would never have pushed over racks of archaeological artifacts. He is an archaeologist first who would have died before destroy relics of the past. He would never have given up in any of this. This is not Indiana Jones.

Exactly.

 

[JPH]

rapid descent AND rapid ascent. She was already huffing a bit that they just dropped a couple hundred feet super fast without anyone regulating at all. Then to go up they inflate their life jackets and shoot all the way to the surface super fast.

For me it wasn't as bad as the fridge in the last movie, but I've only ever done the beginner dives. 40 feet at most. Kindergarten under water. For my wife who dives a lot it was a real butt clencher.

is this what we have come to?

A scene by scene critique to convince yourself the movie wasn't good?

Let's go through EVERY scene and anything that doesn't get addressed to your satisfaction instantly becomes the most pivotal scene of the film --the lynchpin that devalues the movie.

Do movies usually handle pressurization and de-pressurization terribly?

No. Nope. Nooo Sir-eee.

Outland, Total Recall, wasn't there a movie called The Patriot where a guy milks the expanding air bubbles into his hand to survive rapid depressurization? The latest Guardians movie?

The Idea Gas Law pV = nRT.
Boyles Law,

Pressure is inversely proportional to the volume

This is "critical theory." Complaining about anything and everything hoping to find something that will stick.

This is the crap we all usually b*tch about because it isn't honest, it is just looking for ANYTHING to complain about.

We aren't talking about the Last Jedi, where every scene had a Zucker Zucker Abrahams moment.

We can do better that this.

 

[AJTaliesen]

We can do better that this.

ok

 

[JPH]

He didn't look that groggy in the scene but alright, I'll give it to you, JPH . If that's what Mangold was going for, he could've just had Indy pass out and spare him the indignity of being knocked out. The thing is, it still doesn't solve the main problem of that scene which is that Indy doesn't make the choice to return home and deal with his personal struggles. Helena makes that choice for him taking away all his agency. If she instead successfully motivated him to come to his senses, that would have been an actual arc for him. Of course, I don't think Indiana Jones would even find himself in such a dire strait emotionally but that's another discussion.


Exactly.

The point is that Indy *helped* Helena.

She went from a hatable, nasty, selfish character, to someone who sees totally beyond that. You are supposed to hate her in the beginning, and at the auction, and...

It was an Indy win on a whole other level! She didn't die reaching for the Grail, she learned to value life!

Remember, she locked Indy in with the NAZIs at the beginning of the film. What a dramatic change!!!

Indy *wasn't* going to deal with his personal issues, he's too stubborn. She took the initiative because he showed her. She would NOT have become a better person without his constant nudging.

If you are 80, MOST of the people you knew and grew up with are DEAD. Not being cruel, that is just reality. Nothing cowardly in realizing, it's his turn. Cowardice is doing anything you can to avoid it.

Has anyone seen the Big Bang where Sheldon gets his mind blown by Amy, because Amy explains Indy didn't really change the outcome of Raiders?

Anyways, Ron, love your post!

The floor is yours...

 

[Ron]

The point is that Indy *helped* Helena.

She went from a hatable, nasty, selfish character, to someone who sees totally beyond that. You are supposed to hate her in the beginning, and at the auction, and...

It was an Indy win on a whole other level! She didn't die reaching for the Grail, she learned to value life!

Remember, she locked Indy in with the NAZIs at the beginning of the film. What a dramatic change!!!

Indy *wasn't* going to deal with his personal issues, he's too stubborn. She took the initiative because he showed her. She would NOT have become a better person without his constant nudging.

If you are 80, MOST of the people you knew and grew up with are DEAD. Not being cruel, that is just reality. Nothing cowardly in realizing, it's his turn. Cowardice is doing anything you can to avoid it.

Has anyone seen the Big Bang where Sheldon gets his mind blown by Amy, because Amy explains Indy didn't really change the outcome of Raiders?

Anyways, Ron, love your post!

The floor is yours...

I yield to ye, Sir. lol